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How did the Egyptians build the pyramids?

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
A number od ancient cultures built immense monuments and structures as feats of engineering, Despite claims of mystic tofu, Gods and supernatural explanations the methods of engineering and construction is reasonably well known and explained by the engineering and technology at the time they were built.

How did the Egyptians build the pyramids? The following is the first simple reference with an explanation based on archeological evidence, More to follow.

History's Greatest Mystery


The oldest of the most famous pyramids in the world is also the largest. At 481 feet (146.5 meters) tall, it's not called the Great Pyramid of Giza for nothing. It was constructed at the order of Pharoah Khufu sometime around 2560 B.C.E., although how it was actually constructed has been shrouded by history. Still, bit by bit, archaeologists have been able to explain various mechanisms behind the building's construction. The stones themselves were mined from a quarry just south of the pyramid, and researchers believe that their journey across the desert was made easier by wetting the sand first. But that only explains how the stones got from one location to another, not how they were then lifted high into the air and deposited in an enormous triangle.

Researchers believed that action would have involved a ramp of some sort, and that's a pretty fair guess. It's not as if they had a five-story crane. But as for the actual evidence of such a ramp? Researches were coming up empty-handed. It's a particular challenge because the ramp would have needed to be very steep — an incline of about 20 degrees or so — and that would have posed a significant challenge for a 2.5 ton stone. Now, a new discovery at a different quarry might shed light on how ancient people managed such a feat.

A Ramp Above


At Hatnub, another rock quarry located in Egypt's eastern desert, an Anglo-French team found a very unusual ramp carved into the ground that hinted at some surprisingly advanced technological achievements. For one thing, it was pretty steep, but more significantly, it was flanked on both sides by staircases. These stairs were marked with recurring holes that could have contained wooden posts (which would have rotted away long ago). According to the mission's co-director Yannis Gourdon, "This kind of system has never been discovered anywhere else." What's more, it's dated to about 4,500 years ago, well before construction began on Khufu's big legacy.

Roland Enmarch, another scholar who participated in the expedition, noted that the patterns of the post holes in the stairs suggested a particular kind of rope-and-pulley system. Similar pulley systems are well-documented in Greek technology, but this discovery predates those devices by some 2,000 years. Since this specific ramp is cut into the rock itself, it wouldn't have been used to build the actual Great Pyramid. But it does suggest that the ancient Egyptians had a firm grasp on the kinds of simple machines that can be used to turn an impossible amount of hard work into just a whole lot of hard work.

More references to follow . . .
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Evidence of ramps used in the Meidum Pyramid.

Yes, there is direct evidence that ramps were used to build the Meidum Pyramid:

evidence of ramps used in the Meidum pyramid


  • Construction ramp
    Flinders Petri found the remains of a straight ramp on the eastern side of the pyramid. The ramp aligns with two indentations in the pyramid's core.


  • Causeways
    Causeways that stretch from the pyramid to the valley temple may have originally been used as ramps from the quay to the construction site.


  • Smaller ramps
    The terraced nature of the pyramid core may have made it easier to use smaller ramps built along the sides of the pyramid. However, these ramps would have been lost when the outer casing was applied.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
This discussion doesn't really show up any longer on discussion sites because I will find it and win the argument.

I'll preface everything I say in this thread on the fact that all the logic and physical evidence says the great pyramids were all made by linear funiculars.

One of the most convincing arguments is the titles of the builders who created the pyramids. They weren't "ramp builders" and "stone draggers". Nothing of the sort appears. There is no evidence that ramps were used and the word "ramp" isn't even attested from the great pyramid building age NOR in the Pyramid Texts. There are no drawings of men dragging stones or ramps. All evidence and writing supports different means of building.

They had titles like "Overseer of the Metal Shop", "Overseer of Carpenters", "Overseer of the Side of the Pyramid", "Anubis Priest", Priestess of the Sycamore", "Sculptor", Overseer of a Boat Crew", "Overseer of the Boats of Neith", "Ferryman", "Weigher/ Reckoner", et al. All you have to do is figure out what these titles mean and then put it all together. Simple. There are millions of clues spread all through history and all over the Giza Plateau. The one thing we have is clues and solid physical evidence. The Anubis Priest was the architect who worked atop the pyramid. The Sycamore priestess grew the sycamores to be used as a "djed" which controlled the spraying water. It was hollowed out, seared, and wrapped in heavy ropes with a device installed at the top that used teeth that cut into the water stream and created back pressure in order to control the height. "Djed" means "stable in four dimensions". The Weigher/ Reckoner computed the amount of water that had to be added to the 3nw-boat in order to lift a load of massive stones from the "min" on the opposite side of the pyramid. The Ferryman (with his face behind) loaded the henu boat. The sculptors made horuses in the quarry to stack onto the pyramid. Overseers of the Boats loaded the dndndr-boat which looked like the head of a bull (of Heaven). Sides were build individually and from the top down after the core was mostly complete.

Each man and woman were selected by lottery in the city in which the greats of the past had lived. For instance they needed chemists and the discoverer of controlling water was from the city of Chemmis so all seers of chemistry in the city of Chemmis who wanted to work on the pyramid (almost all did) would put their names into a lottery.

What people don't understand is these things were easy to build and required very few men. The gods literally did all the work which is why the builders said the gods built the pyramids. Even human progress was represented by the god "thot" and thought by the god "hu".

This is all very very simple and would be well known except the powers that be are willing to waste huge amounts of money and cause massive damage in their search for gold but won't lift a finger to find how they were made.
 

GoodAttention

Well-Known Member
A number od ancient cultures built immense monuments and structures as feats of engineering, Despite claims of mystic tofu, Gods and supernatural explanations the methods of engineering and construction is reasonably well known and explained by the engineering and technology at the time they were built.

How did the Egyptians build the pyramids? The following is the first simple reference with an explanation based on archeological evidence, More to follow.

History's Greatest Mystery


The oldest of the most famous pyramids in the world is also the largest. At 481 feet (146.5 meters) tall, it's not called the Great Pyramid of Giza for nothing. It was constructed at the order of Pharoah Khufu sometime around 2560 B.C.E., although how it was actually constructed has been shrouded by history. Still, bit by bit, archaeologists have been able to explain various mechanisms behind the building's construction. The stones themselves were mined from a quarry just south of the pyramid, and researchers believe that their journey across the desert was made easier by wetting the sand first. But that only explains how the stones got from one location to another, not how they were then lifted high into the air and deposited in an enormous triangle.

Researchers believed that action would have involved a ramp of some sort, and that's a pretty fair guess. It's not as if they had a five-story crane. But as for the actual evidence of such a ramp? Researches were coming up empty-handed. It's a particular challenge because the ramp would have needed to be very steep — an incline of about 20 degrees or so — and that would have posed a significant challenge for a 2.5 ton stone. Now, a new discovery at a different quarry might shed light on how ancient people managed such a feat.

A Ramp Above


At Hatnub, another rock quarry located in Egypt's eastern desert, an Anglo-French team found a very unusual ramp carved into the ground that hinted at some surprisingly advanced technological achievements. For one thing, it was pretty steep, but more significantly, it was flanked on both sides by staircases. These stairs were marked with recurring holes that could have contained wooden posts (which would have rotted away long ago). According to the mission's co-director Yannis Gourdon, "This kind of system has never been discovered anywhere else." What's more, it's dated to about 4,500 years ago, well before construction began on Khufu's big legacy.

Roland Enmarch, another scholar who participated in the expedition, noted that the patterns of the post holes in the stairs suggested a particular kind of rope-and-pulley system. Similar pulley systems are well-documented in Greek technology, but this discovery predates those devices by some 2,000 years. Since this specific ramp is cut into the rock itself, it wouldn't have been used to build the actual Great Pyramid. But it does suggest that the ancient Egyptians had a firm grasp on the kinds of simple machines that can be used to turn an impossible amount of hard work into just a whole lot of hard work.

More references to follow . . .

I have always thought it bizarre that we believe rocks were cut from a quarry and then transported to the pyramid building site.

We know reconstituted lime blocks make for a far, far, better building material and explains in simple terms how the pyramids could have been constructed.

For example, this ramp discovered at the rock quarry is, IMO, an ancient limestone rock crusher, and was used to drop a much heavier, and harder, rock, such as quartz, onto the limestone to smash into smaller pieces.

These pieces could have then been put into an ancient bronze mixer, combined with smaller quartz or granite rocks, to break down the limestone even further into dust like we use today.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
This discussion doesn't really show up any longer on discussion sites because I will find it and win the argument.
Probably because the magic option is not considered.
I'll preface everything I say in this thread on the fact that all the logic and physical evidence says the great pyramids were all made by linear funiculars.
And I will end this part of the thread by asking what is a linear funicular besides a ramp?
Mt Washington has an example where the motive power is provided by the car itself, San Francisco still uses one that has external power as well using gravity.
One of the most convincing arguments is the titles of the builders who created the pyramids. They weren't "ramp builders" and "stone draggers". Nothing of the sort appears. There is no evidence that ramps were used and the word "ramp" isn't even attested from the great pyramid building age NOR in the Pyramid Texts. There are no drawings of men dragging stones or ramps. All evidence and writing supports different means of building.

They had titles like "Overseer of the Metal Shop", "Overseer of Carpenters", "Overseer of the Side of the Pyramid", "Anubis Priest", Priestess of the Sycamore", "Sculptor", Overseer of a Boat Crew", "Overseer of the Boats of Neith", "Ferryman", "Weigher/ Reckoner", et al. All you have to do is figure out what these titles mean and then put it all together. Simple. There are millions of clues spread all through history and all over the Giza Plateau. The one thing we have is clues and solid physical evidence. The Anubis Priest was the architect who worked atop the pyramid. The Sycamore priestess grew the sycamores to be used as a "djed" which controlled the spraying water. It was hollowed out, seared, and wrapped in heavy ropes with a device installed at the top that used teeth that cut into the water stream and created back pressure in order to control the height. "Djed" means "stable in four dimensions". The Weigher/ Reckoner computed the amount of water that had to be added to the 3nw-boat in order to lift a load of massive stones from the "min" on the opposite side of the pyramid. The Ferryman (with his face behind) loaded the henu boat. The sculptors made horuses in the quarry to stack onto the pyramid. Overseers of the Boats loaded the dndndr-boat which looked like the head of a bull (of Heaven). Sides were build individually and from the top down after the core was mostly complete.

Each man and woman were selected by lottery in the city in which the greats of the past had lived. For instance they needed chemists and the discoverer of controlling water was from the city of Chemmis so all seers of chemistry in the city of Chemmis who wanted to work on the pyramid (almost all did) would put their names into a lottery.

What people don't understand is these things were easy to build and required very few men. The gods literally did all the work which is why the builders said the gods built the pyramids. Even human progress was represented by the god "thot" and thought by the god "hu".

This is all very very simple and would be well known except the powers that be are willing to waste huge amounts of money and cause massive damage in their search for gold but won't lift a finger to find how they were made.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
And I will end this part of the thread by asking what is a linear funicular besides a ramp?

Stinky footed bumpkins do not strap on ropes and drag Angel's Flight Funicular up a hill. And they sure as hell don't construct mountains to lay a track for funiculars. They also don't trudge 90' up a 70 degree sloped sides of the steps of the pyramid. You can't build a linear funicular with stinky footed bumpkins dragging stones up ramps. It never happened. Superstition is the most destructive force on the planet and it did not construct pyramids great or otherwise.

Our belief in ramps may be the most destructive force in existence today. The meek owned the planet in 2750 BC when the pyramids were built and we still do.

 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I have always thought it bizarre that we believe rocks were cut from a quarry and then transported to the pyramid building site.

We know reconstituted lime blocks make for a far, far, better building material and explains in simple terms how the pyramids could have been constructed.

For example, this ramp discovered at the rock quarry is, IMO, an ancient limestone rock crusher, and was used to drop a much heavier, and harder, rock, such as quartz, onto the limestone to smash into smaller pieces.

These pieces could have then been put into an ancient bronze mixer, combined with smaller quartz or granite rocks, to break down the limestone even further into dust like we use today.
On examination the pyramids were mostly built from cut stone. Yes some concrete was used where access was difficult at higher levels. They have found the canals at the quarries and hieroglyphs and pictures as to how the blocks were transported.


Pyramids were built with concrete rather than rocks, scientists claim by Charles Bremner, Paris
The Ancient Egyptians built their great Pyramids by pouring concrete into blocks high on the site rather than hauling up giant stones, according to a new Franco-American study.
pyramid_concrete.jpg
  • Method used only at higher levels​

  • Blocks set using a limestone slurry​


The research, by materials scientists from national institutions, adds fuel to a theory that the pharaohs’ craftsmen had enough skill and materials at hand to cast the two-ton limestone blocks that dress the Cheops and other Pyramids.
Despite mounting support from scientists, Egyptologists have rejected the concrete claim, first made in the late 1970s by Joseph Davidovits, a French chemist.
The stones, say the historians and archeologists, were all carved from nearby quarries, heaved up huge ramps and set in place by armies of workers. Some dissenters say that levers or pulleys were used, even though the wheel had not been invented at that time.
Until recently it was hard for geologists to distinguish between natural limestone and the kind that would have been made by reconstituting liquefied lime.
But according to Professor Gilles Hug, of the French National Aerospace Research Agency (Onera), and Professor Michel Barsoum, of Drexel University in Philadelphia, the covering of the great Pyramids at Giza consists of two types of stone: one from the quarries and one man-made.
“There’s no way around it. The chemistry is well and truly different,” Professor Hug told Science et Vie magazine. Their study is being published this month in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society.
The pair used X-rays, a plasma torch and electron microscopes to compare small fragments from pyramids with stone from the Toura and Maadi quarries.
They found “traces of a rapid chemical reaction which did not allow natural crystalisation . . . The reaction would be inexplicable if the stones were quarried, but perfectly comprehensible if one accepts that they were cast like concrete.”
The pair believe that the concrete method was used only for the stones on the higher levels of the Pyramids. There are some 2.5 million stone blocks on the Cheops Pyramid. The 10-tonne granite blocks at their heart were also natural, they say. The professors agree with the “Davidovits theory” that soft limestone was quarried on the damp south side of the Giza Plateau. This was then dissolved in large, Nile-fed pools until it became a watery slurry.​
 
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Eddi

Christianity
Premium Member
I don't know but I know aliens didn't do it

That's silly and does the Ancient Egyptians a huge disservice
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
On examination the pyramids were built from cut stone. They have found the canals at the quarries and hieroglyphs and pictures as to how the blocks were transported.

No!

Almost all of the stones were cut on site in a quarry they represented with the word "tayet". There was one due south of the Great Pyramid and one to the east at the Sphinx et al.

There are no pictures you would recognize of transporting stone. These are lies that Egyptologists tell themselves. There are no words describing these movements that you would recognize.

You can not produce such evidence.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
No!

Almost all of the stones were cut on site in a quarry they represented with the word "tayet". There was one due south of the Great Pyramid and one to the east at the Sphinx et al.

There are no pictures you would recognize of transporting stone. These are lies that Egyptologists tell themselves. There are no words describing these movements that you would recognize.

You can not produce such evidence.
I produced the evidence and you simply and stoically choose to deny it.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Stinky footed bumpkins do not strap on ropes and drag Angel's Flight Funicular up a hill. And they sure as hell don't construct mountains to lay a track for funiculars. They also don't trudge 90' up a 70 degree sloped sides of the steps of the pyramid. You can't build a linear funicular with stinky footed bumpkins dragging stones up ramps. It never happened. Superstition is the most destructive force on the planet and it did not construct pyramids great or otherwise.

Our belief in ramps may be the most destructive force in existence today. The meek owned the planet in 2750 BC when the pyramids were built and we still do.

Who said they were stinky footed bumpkins, you already claimed the pyramids were built by those with the ancient knowledge or something like that.
You have already demonstrated lack of communication ability by positing something never proposed in the form of a funicular. (tracked railway)

While I and modern knowledge understand the potential of basic machines and history, you fall back and use your own incongruous language to deny a possibility outright without any evidence.

 

cladking

Well-Known Member
On examination the pyramids were built from cut stone

No. About 5% of the Great pyramid at the very bottom is living stone ie-carved in place.

The bulk of the pyramid is cut out in the adjacent quarries.

Less than 2% of the weight of the pyramid came from the Turah Mines across the river and was mostly used for cladding.

Probably much less than 1% came from the granite quarries near Aswan.

There's very little other stone or materials within the Great Pyramid other than a mere 1000 tons of quartz sand near the entrance.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
No. About 5% of the Great pyramid at the very bottom is living stone ie-carved in place.

The bulk of the pyramid is cut out in the adjacent quarries.

Less than 2% of the weight of the pyramid came from the Turah Mines across the river and was mostly used for cladding.

Probably much less than 1% came from the granite quarries near Aswan.

There's very little other stone or materials within the Great Pyramid other than a mere 1000 tons of quartz sand near the entrance.

In 2013, a joint team of French and Egyptian archaeologists discovered a remarkable find in a cave at the ancient Red Sea port of Wadi el-Jarf—hundreds of inscribed papyrus fragments that were the oldest ever unearthed in Egypt. As Egyptologists Pierre Tallet and Gregory Marouard detailed in a 2014 article in the journal Near Eastern Archaeology, the ancient texts they discovered included a logbook from the 27th year of the reign of the pharaoh Khufu that described the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza.

The hieroglyphic letters inscribed in the logbook were written more than 4,500 years ago by a middle-ranking inspector named Merer who detailed over the course of several months the construction operations for the Great Pyramid, which was nearing completion, and the work at the limestone quarries at Tura on the opposite bank of the Nile River. Merer’s logbook, written in a two-column daily timetable, reports on the daily lives of the construction workers and notes that the limestone blocks exhumed at Tura, which were used to cover the pyramid’s exterior, were transported by boat along the Nile River and a system of canals to the construction site, a journey that took between two and three days.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
I produced the evidence and you simply and stoically choose to deny it.
But you can't summarize it in a simple sentence so I know what you believe is evidence!!!

Here's a drawing of the henu boat that is slightly confused from later times.
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That's the pyramid on the left and the stones on board. I can explain every aspect of this drawing. What have you got besides beliefs and mustta?
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
No. About 5% of the Great pyramid at the very bottom is living stone ie-carved in place.

The bulk of the pyramid is cut out in the adjacent quarries.

Less than 2% of the weight of the pyramid came from the Turah Mines across the river and was mostly used for cladding.

Probably much less than 1% came from the granite quarries near Aswan.

There's very little other stone or materials within the Great Pyramid other than a mere 1000 tons of quartz sand near the entrance.
So what? Rubble fill as an interior filler has existed before cathedrals as a building method. Jeez the accountants existed even back then. No surprise that the first writing was them keeping track of cost. :)
 
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