How did the Egyptians build the pyramids?

[shunyadragon]

Once again you don’t provide the full text of the source.

In spite of the location of their discovery nearly 150 miles southeast of Giza, the relics do not contain any information about activities related to the pyramid construction at Wadi el-Jarf. “The surprising presence of these documents on the Red Sea site at Wadi el-Jarf is most likely explained by the fact that the same specialized teams that worked on the construction of the royal tomb were also responsible for some operations at this port facility,” Tallet surmised.

Simply open the reference, It is complete.

Egypt’s Oldest Papyri Detail Great Pyramid Construction | HISTORY​

Egypt’s oldest papyrus fragments, which detail the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza, have gone on public display in Cairo.

www.history.com

 

[shunyadragon]

You keep insisting on concrete but where I the evidence for the use of ANY concrete in ancient times?

Reconstituted limestone with slaked quicklime, which also will naturally turn into limestone, makes the most sense.

Nonsense, there is no such thing as reconstituted limestone.

The following reference describes the type of concrete used in part of the pyramid,

Pyramids (2) The evidences – Geopolymer Institute

www.geopolymer.org

 

[cladking]

No idea what you think a ramp is because it is obviously not the simple tool that most humans use every day in one form or another.

Egyptologists have the crazy notion that teams of bumpkins tied themselves to stones and dragged them up ramps. This is not a staircase or a highway ramp with lots of traffic but an imaginary construct that lacks evidence and constrains every worker from being efficient. It's simple nonsense to suppose there was no other way to do it but the impossible. Of course each Egyptologist sees himself holding the whip rather than being one of the poor slobs straining on the baking pyramid in 120 degree heat.

If there were any evidence for ramps I'd still be quite certain they didn't use ramps but all the evidence says stones were pulled straight up the sides of the steps. what the hell do Egyptologists think the steps were used for? Decoration? Camouflage?

Seriously why would they build steps and then put ramps on them. Are we to believe the workers needed a break every 500'?

 

[shunyadragon]

Egyptologists have the crazy notion that teams of bumpkins tied themselves to stones and dragged them up ramps. This is not a staircase or a highway ramp with lots of traffic but an imaginary construct that lacks evidence and constrains every worker from being efficient. It's simple nonsense to suppose there was no other way to do it but the impossible. Of course each Egyptologist sees himself holding the whip rather than being one of the poor slobs straining on the baking pyramid in 120 degree heat.

If there were any evidence for ramps I'd still be quite certain they didn't use ramps but all the evidence says stones were pulled straight up the sides of the steps. what the hell do Egyptologists think the steps were used for? Decoration? Camouflage?

Seriously why would they build steps and then put ramps on them. Are we to believe the workers needed a break every 500'?

That is not how ramps in pyramid construction would be used, The above are the words of nonsense without understanding ramps that may be used with counterweights and pullies.

 

[shunyadragon]

Every single ramp proposal I've ever seen i can shoot down with logic alone. I don't even need to cite the evidence against it. Many of these proposals especially from Egyptology are so bad men accumulate at the top because the ramps only go up. In order to have a chance of working they would need to be at least twice as wide and there's no means to put such a ramp on the pyramid. Another common flaw is they don't account for the fact the pyramids are cladded so the ramps would have to be rebuilt. But the most common flaw is that any ramping system on the pyramid hides it so it can not be built straight. Most of these proposals have all three of these problems and few other besides. There is no possible ramping system that can account for the existence of the pyramids and the physical evidence.

No ramps.

And the real capper? The only evidence for ramps is the contention that they mustta used ramps but logic dictates it far easier, far safer, and far more comfortable for teams of men to pull stones straight up the s9ides from the tops of the steps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Incredible isn't it? How could Egyptology have done such a poor job and not discovered what I did? It's astounding really but the simple answer is we are homo omnisciencis. We can only see what we believe. No matter how incredible like talking to the autistic or how expected like finding ramps, we only see what we believe. Even though they call themselves "linguists" they never noticed the language breaks Zipf's Law and contained almost no words. They never noticed there were no abstractions or the builders kept saying the pyramids are NOT tombs.

Egyptologists aren't really less smart than the rest of us but they are mostly probably less smart than some of the dumbest pyramid builders.

Quarry ramp in Egypt - Google Search

Hatnub quarry in Egypt's Eastern Desert, which archaeologists believe was used to transport massive stone blocks, like alabaster, out of the quarry and potentially played a key role in the construction of the pyramids by the ancient Egyptians; this discovery offers insights into how they moved such large stones over steep inclines.


Key points about the quarry ramp:

• Location:Hatnub quarry, Egypt
  
  
  
• Purpose:To haul large stone blocks, likely used for pyramid construction
  
  
  
• Significance:The discovery of this ramp system provides evidence for how the Egyptians may have transported massive stones from quarries to building sites
  
  
  
• Details of the ramp: The ramp system consisted of a central ramp flanked by staircases with postholes, where ropes could be tied to drag the stone blocks on sledges

Add pullies and counter weights and no problem ramp system that works just as well on pyramids,

 

[GoodAttention]

Nonsense, there is no such thing as reconstituted limestone.

You are wrong obviously. It is a construction material that anyone can Google to learn about.

The following reference describes the type of concrete used in part of the pyramid,

Pyramids (2) The evidences – Geopolymer Institute

www.geopolymer.org

Do you read your sources?

There is nothing about concrete, only soft and hard limestone.

The soft limestone isn’t soft, it just has a high clay content, which is separated when soaked in water. The aggregate is still limestone.

 

[GoodAttention]

Quarry ramp in Egypt - Google Search

Hatnub quarry in Egypt's Eastern Desert, which archaeologists believe was used to transport massive stone blocks, like alabaster, out of the quarry and potentially played a key role in the construction of the pyramids by the ancient Egyptians; this discovery offers insights into how they moved such large stones over steep inclines.


Key points about the quarry ramp:

• Location:Hatnub quarry, Egypt
  
  
  
• Purpose:To haul large stone blocks, likely used for pyramid construction
  
  
  
• Significance:The discovery of this ramp system provides evidence for how the Egyptians may have transported massive stones from quarries to building sites
  
  
  
• Details of the ramp: The ramp system consisted of a central ramp flanked by staircases with postholes, where ropes could be tied to drag the stone blocks on sledges

Add pullies and counter weights and no problem ramp system that works just as well on pyramids,

You realise the pyramid is 45 storeys high right?

 

[GoodAttention]

Quarry ramp in Egypt - Google Search

Hatnub quarry in Egypt's Eastern Desert, which archaeologists believe was used to transport massive stone blocks, like alabaster, out of the quarry and potentially played a key role in the construction of the pyramids by the ancient Egyptians; this discovery offers insights into how they moved such large stones over steep inclines.


Key points about the quarry ramp:

• Location:Hatnub quarry, Egypt
  
  
  
• Purpose:To haul large stone blocks, likely used for pyramid construction
  
  
  
• Significance:The discovery of this ramp system provides evidence for how the Egyptians may have transported massive stones from quarries to building sites
  
  
  
• Details of the ramp: The ramp system consisted of a central ramp flanked by staircases with postholes, where ropes could be tied to drag the stone blocks on sledges

Add pullies and counter weights and no problem ramp system that works just as well on pyramids,

Large, single, alabaster blocks makes sense since they would have been used for carving sculptures, but would not be related to pyramid building.

Some of the stones weigh as much as a fully loaded semi-trailer, did the Egyptians even have rope with enough tensile strength to move such an object against friction??

 

[shunyadragon]

You realise the pyramid is 45 storeys high right?

Yes, so what????

 

[GoodAttention]

Yes, so what????

So the Egyptians had ancient cranes?????

 

[shunyadragon]

Some of the stones weigh as much as a fully loaded semi-trailer, did the Egyptians even have rope with enough tensile strength to move such an object against friction??

Pullies and counter weights.

Obelisks often weigh much more and moved around from the quarries.

howmuch do oblisks weigh - Google Search

The weight of an obelisk can vary depending on the obelisk, but here are some examples:

• The Obelisk in Central Park: Each of the two pink granite obelisks in Central Park weighs approximately 200 tons. The shafts of the obelisks are 69 feet tall, and the bases and steps weigh over 50 tons.
  
  
  
• The Lateran Obelisk in Rome: The largest standing Egyptian obelisk in the world, the Lateran Obelisk weighs 455 metric tons (502 short tons).
  
  
  
• The Vatican obelisk in Saint Peter's Square: This obelisk weighs 331 metric tons (365 short tons).
  
  
  
• Cleopatra's Needle: This obelisk weighs over 200 tons.
  
  
  
• The Obelisk of Hatshepsut: This obelisk weighs 343 tons.
  
  
  
• The unfinished obelisk in Aswan, Egypt: If finished, this obelisk would have weighed nearly 1,090 tonnes (1,200 short tons).
  
  

Obelisks are ancient monuments that can be moved, and their meaning can change as they are moved from one location to another.

 

[cladking]

Quarry ramp in Egypt - Google Search

Hatnub quarry in Egypt's Eastern Desert, which archaeologists believe was used to transport massive stone blocks, like alabaster, out of the quarry and potentially played a key role in the construction of the pyramids by the ancient Egyptians; this discovery offers insights into how they moved such large stones over steep inclines.


Key points about the quarry ramp:

• Location:Hatnub quarry, Egypt
  
  
  
• Purpose:To haul large stone blocks, likely used for pyramid construction
  
  
  
• Significance:The discovery of this ramp system provides evidence for how the Egyptians may have transported massive stones from quarries to building sites
  
  
  
• Details of the ramp: The ramp system consisted of a central ramp flanked by staircases with postholes, where ropes could be tied to drag the stone blocks on sledges

The remarkable thing is among the many other things that essentially proves my theory this does as well. If you had more knowledge of it and actually thought about it you could see it too.

In the morning if I get the chance I'll check and see if all my references and links still exist. Reality in this modern age is as ephemeral as smoke on a breezy day. Some day you can be sure the cloud will blow away or pour on us all. In the mean time you could look up the coefficient of friction for rope on wood. You could even trey to figure out how these would be used by the men dragging the stones and why there weren't poles on both sides if they were so effective.

They were only on the south side because their function was to protect people going in and coming out of the quarry when stones were being pulled out by funiculars whose paths are still visible even today. Ropes rarely snap when they are used and inspected properly but one under a 20 ton load can kill a man or a couple if it hits them. Ropes are heavy and travel at very high speeds when they break. Men have almost been cut in two by steel cable. Barricades are the only effective defense. In ancient Egypt the rope inspector would be demoted and punished even if there is no injury. Injuries resulted in severe punishment like the amputation of toes for those who wandered away from their responsibility. Intentional actions resulting in injury might result in a death sentence.

I can't imagine how Hatnub could be so badly misinterpreted but remember everybody sees what he expects. So Egyptologists saw stinky footed bumpkins working in a most highly inefficient way on ramps. So they looked no further to see what was beyond the mouth of the "ramp". It's simply incredible. Every time I disprove ramps or make a good prediction they double down on ramps.

 

[GoodAttention]

Pullies and counter weights.

Obelisks often weigh much more and moved around from the quarries.

howmuch do oblisks weigh - Google Search

The weight of an obelisk can vary depending on the obelisk, but here are some examples:

• The Obelisk in Central Park: Each of the two pink granite obelisks in Central Park weighs approximately 200 tons. The shafts of the obelisks are 69 feet tall, and the bases and steps weigh over 50 tons.
  
  
  
• The Lateran Obelisk in Rome: The largest standing Egyptian obelisk in the world, the Lateran Obelisk weighs 455 metric tons (502 short tons).
  
  
  
• The Vatican obelisk in Saint Peter's Square: This obelisk weighs 331 metric tons (365 short tons).
  
  
  
• Cleopatra's Needle: This obelisk weighs over 200 tons.
  
  
  
• The Obelisk of Hatshepsut: This obelisk weighs 343 tons.
  
  
  
• The unfinished obelisk in Aswan, Egypt: If finished, this obelisk would have weighed nearly 1,090 tonnes (1,200 short tons).
  

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Obelisks are ancient monuments that can be moved, and their meaning can change as they are moved from one location to another.

Irrelevant.

Obelisks are not lifted 40+ storeys vertically.

 

[shunyadragon]

So the Egyptians had ancient cranes?????

No, pullies and counter weights. You realize that ancient cultures move huge stones around in many cultures of the world, and built huge monuments with human power.

 

[shunyadragon]

The remarkable thing is among the many other things that essentially proves my theory this does as well. If you had more knowledge of it and actually thought about it you could see it too.

In the morning if I get the chance I'll check and see if all my references and links still exist. Reality in this modern age is as ephemeral as smoke on a breezy day. Some day you can be sure the cloud will blow away or pour on us all. In the mean time you could look up the coefficient of friction for rope on wood. You could even trey to figure out how these would be used by the men dragging the stones and why there weren't poles on both sides if they were so effective.

They were only on the south side because their function was to protect people going in and coming out of the quarry when stones were being pulled out by funiculars whose paths are still visible even today. Ropes rarely snap when they are used and inspected properly but one under a 20 ton load can kill a man or a couple if it hits them. Ropes are heavy and travel at very high speeds when they break. Men have almost been cut in two by steel cable. Barricades are the only effective defense. In ancient Egypt the rope inspector would be demoted and punished even if there is no injury. Injuries resulted in severe punishment like the amputation of toes for those who wandered away from their responsibility. Intentional actions resulting in injury might result in a death sentence.

I can't imagine how Hatnub could be so badly misinterpreted but remember everybody sees what he expects. So Egyptologists saw stinky footed bumpkins working in a most highly inefficient way on ramps. So they looked no further to see what was beyond the mouth of the "ramp". It's simply incredible. Every time I disprove ramps or make a good prediction they double down on ramps.

You disprove things in your imagination to justify your mythical Egyptian agenda based on mythology and a creative imagination

 

[GoodAttention]

No, pullies and counter weights. You realize that ancient cultures move huge stones around in many cultures of the world, and built huge monuments with human power.

You say pullies and counter weights but you clearly don’t understand how it works.

How many of those cultures are before the wheel was invented?

How many monuments were 45 storeys high?

 

[shunyadragon]

Irrelevant.

Obelisks are not lifted 40+ storeys vertically.

they are moved many miles over terrain. Simply all you need is ramps, pullies and counter weights, The collapsed pyramid at Meidum revealed a ramp system used there,

You are wrong obviously. It is a construction material that anyone can Google to learn about.



Do you read your sources?

There is nothing about concrete, only soft and hard limestone.

The soft limestone isn’t soft, it just has a high clay content, which is separated when soaked in water. The aggregate is still limestone.

Read again it describes making concrete blocks using the material from the soft limestone.

You may need to go back to school and learn English again. From the reference:

"In prehistoric times most of present-day Egypt was submerged under the sea. The decomposing remains of marine organisms, shells and skeletons, plants, seaweed and algae, fallen to the bottom of the sea, formed mud that condensed itself into a sedimentary rock we call limestone.
A natural process that lasted thousands of years consolidated and hardened them, forming banks of limestone. The pyramid blocks are made of this limestone, a sedimentary rock formed from skeletons and large fossil shells of marine organisms. These fossil remains are normally found in sedimentary horizontal layers. Yet, in the stones of the Great Pyramid, Professor Davidovits found them in disarray, jumbled up together quite haphazardly as if they were artificially mixed with some kind of pestle.

Another phenomenon observed in the pyramid stones was the presence of air bubbles, organic fibers, bones and animal teeth, foreign materials never found in natural limestone – which would seem to be further proof that the stones were man-made."

 

[GoodAttention]

they are moved many miles over terrain. Simply all you need is ramps, pullies and counter weights, The collapsed pyramid at Meidum revealed a ramp system used there,

To have any object be moved to a vertical position of 45 storeys above the ground, your pulley system will need to be even higher, and supported by some structure.

You will struggle to find an engineer worth his or her salt agreeing with you..

Read again it describes making concrete blocks using the material from the soft limestone.

You may need to go back to school and learn English again.

It is obvious that the builders took advantage of the thickly bedded softer limestones. The disaggregated muddy material was ready for geopolymeric re-agglomeration. Perhaps the biggest surprise encountered in this study deals with the hieroglyphic verbs for to build, namely khusi (Gardiner’s list A34). The sign khusi represents a man pounding or packing material in a mold. This is one of the oldest Egyptian hieroglyphs.

Geopolymeric reagglomeration = reconstituted limestone.

There you go.

 

[shunyadragon]

To have any object be moved to a vertical position of 45 storeys above the ground, your pulley system will need to be even higher, and supported by some structure.

You will struggle to find an engineer worth his or her salt agreeing with you..



It is obvious that the builders took advantage of the thickly bedded softer limestones. The disaggregated muddy material was ready for geopolymeric re-agglomeration. Perhaps the biggest surprise encountered in this study deals with the hieroglyphic verbs for to build, namely khusi (Gardiner’s list A34). The sign khusi represents a man pounding or packing material in a mold. This is one of the oldest Egyptian hieroglyphs.

Geopolymeric reagglomeration = reconstituted limestone.

There you go.

No such thing as reconsolidated limestone. The source discribes a primitive form of concrete. Once it is ground up it is no longer limestone. Limestone is defined as a natural sedimentary rock

 

[shunyadragon]

Large, single, alabaster blocks makes sense since they would have been used for carving sculptures, but would not be related to pyramid building.

Some of the stones weigh as much as a fully loaded semi-trailer, did the Egyptians even have rope with enough tensile strength to move such an object against friction??

Ramps were used in construction of the Meidum collapsed pyramid.

If you understand basic physics, ramps, counterweights and pullies can be used to move huge weight in many cultures around the world.

Considering the construction of huge stone project in many cultures around the orld in ancient history what alternative can you offer?

Magic maybe?