cladking
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Yeah, I know.
But I believe it is a characteristic of our species. This doesn't mean you're wrong just that we are homo rationatio circularis.
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How did the Egyptians build the pyramids?
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Yeah, I know.
But I believe it is a characteristic of our species. This doesn't mean you're wrong just that we are homo rationatio circularis.
cladking
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The problem is the men have to lift their own weight too. May as well jump in the counterweight with their bag of sand.
cladking
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Your sources are nonsense. In the near total vacuum of data created by Egyptology thousands of pseudo-facts have arisen and are repeated over and over. The only guidance from the "experts" is "they mustta used ramps".
cladking
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I've had to dig hard for my facts and suffered personal insults from Egyptologists when I repeat some nonsense or falsehood I found on the net. At least I'm gentle with you.
You seem to think I'm new at this. I've spent thousands of hours over the last 20 years. I've debunked ramps, shown linear funiculars were used, and properly interpreted hieroglyphs for the very first time since the Tower of Babel. Deal with it.
Address any of my arguments. Show me the builders didn't say osiris tows the earth by means of balance using two boats tied together. Show me what it means.
You seem to think I'm new at this. I've spent thousands of hours over the last 20 years. I've debunked ramps, shown linear funiculars were used, and properly interpreted hieroglyphs for the very first time since the Tower of Babel. Deal with it.
Address any of my arguments. Show me the builders didn't say osiris tows the earth by means of balance using two boats tied together. Show me what it means.
cladking
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Samples from the pyramid have come back with date ranges from 4500 BC to 2000 BC. The best guess from the science is 2750 BC.
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@cladking
Do you have any idea on how the King's chamber was build?
The stones that are heavy 80 ton(each) , how did they menage to place them where they are now?
or maybe @shunyadragon can say something more about it.
Do you have any idea on how the King's chamber was build?
The stones that are heavy 80 ton(each) , how did they menage to place them where they are now?
or maybe @shunyadragon can say something more about it.
cladking
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My guess is that they were lifted up step sides using multiple funiculars in tandem. There are numerous possibilities though. These so greatly exceed the capacity of funiculars that it would hardly be surprising if these were the only stones dragged up the side by teams of men from the step tops. There's no real limit to how large of stones can be lifted by teams.
cladking
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Here is how the great pyramid builders saw this;
1416b. N. truly ascends to heaven, permanent like the earth.
The pyramid is the earth that seker tows high into the sky. The dead king IS the pyramid because the pyramid IS the mnemonic by which he is remembered.
1932 (Nt. 763). He, he is a pyramid, ...
The Pyramid Texts are consistent and coherent if you take it literally. Egyptology takes it as incantation and as such it is contradicts itself over and over and makes no sense at all. The literal meaning makes predictions which is how I can make prediction.
1416b. N. truly ascends to heaven, permanent like the earth.
The pyramid is the earth that seker tows high into the sky. The dead king IS the pyramid because the pyramid IS the mnemonic by which he is remembered.
1932 (Nt. 763). He, he is a pyramid, ...
The Pyramid Texts are consistent and coherent if you take it literally. Egyptology takes it as incantation and as such it is contradicts itself over and over and makes no sense at all. The literal meaning makes predictions which is how I can make prediction.
stvdv
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How did the Egyptians build the pyramids
Most interesting observation on Atheist/Theists:a) Scientists love to speculate about Pyramids
b) Theists love to speculate about God
Both fall in the category "BELIEF"
Reality: Both are not sure
The Wise accept:
1) "Past=past, forget the past"
2) "Future=uncertain, don't worry about it"
3) "Present=Omni-present, ..."
River Sea
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@GoodAttention here's modern pyramid
en.wikipedia.org
@cladking
What are your thoughts about this modern pyramid and water tower system compared to the pyramid in Egypt's water tower system? Any similarities? Will you show me please?
en.wikipedia.org
Water tower - Wikipedia
@cladking
What are your thoughts about this modern pyramid and water tower system compared to the pyramid in Egypt's water tower system? Any similarities? Will you show me please?
Water tower - Wikipedia
cladking
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If you look at the picture closely you'll see this is no boat. The ribbing that holds a boat together is on the inside not only because it creates drag on the outside but because the water pushes against the boards pushing them into the ribbing. The boat falls apart with the ribbing on the outside.
This device was used as a counterweight. The water sat inside and pushed against the ribbing.
Here you can see the vertical lines on the face of the pyramid. these lines are all over the great pyramids because they mark the routes of the stones straight up the side. They are created by the builders extending the funicular routes as they build ever higher. When the funicular is removed the route had to be patched in with stone that didn't quite match.
Here you can see the thermal anomaly I predicted 160' S of the NE corner. It marks the spot the "Cool is the Crown Path" exited the pyramid.
In this picture is the southern half of the infrastructure used to build G1. In the center is the funicular run that extends all the way to the the G1 causeway. A sail operated in the large pit that was used to rest empty funiculars. Some of these like the Center main Eastern Funicular had bladders in the dndndr-boat for resetting but most were moved with wind. The total weight was nominal since it was in perfect balance. The only difference was the weight of 90' of rope and a very low coefficient of static friction.
It won't post but I strongly recommend looking at this picture;
On the right side you can see how the edges of the stones align vertically. This is always indicative of some structure adjoining at this line. The structure was known as the "m3.t-wt.t-cow" or mehet weret cow. It channeled water from the geyser 10' north of the pyramid and joined to the passage I predicted behind the sloped stones and was recently found.
This one is of critical importance as well since great detail is visible including the five step that compose G1. At the top center is the sand shoveled out of the nurse canal that came up with the water. You can also see the second Sphinx under the NE corner. They built more lightly here so as not to crush it and the walls around it which contain the "Book of Thot" which was their version of the "Handbook of Chemistry and Physics".
Some of the detail may confuse you since this scan can see only the outer 30' of the pyramid at the bottom and 10' at the top.
All the physical and cultural evidence shows the pyramids were built with linear funiculars that lifted ad many as 8 or 10 stones at a time, usually is ~15 ton loads.
cladking
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There is a distinct possibility that the pyramids were used to create head pressure. Indeed, I believe that there was only one geyser used to construct both great pyramids at Giza and the water was channeled underground through natural passages to come up at G2 to build it.
The great pyramids were principally as mnemonics to remember dead kings and important personages. However all of them had other functions as well. G1 was probably Khufu's pet project as a time capsule. Before construction the water was channeled to the valley port for numerous functions such as food processing and laundries. Even recreational facilities may have existed. The water also powered massive pendulum saws in the Great Saw Palace on the east side. These may have been in operation before construction and probably were at least for a time afterward. You can see lot of this activity in the copper "pollution" in the recent SCIENCE that was done;
https://www.ancientportsantiques.co...ments/PLACES/Egypt-Libya/Gizeh-Younes2024.pdf
The second picture down clearly shows usage of the water source and how it was channeled for centuries before construction began. All of this copper is actually derived from the copper sulphate naturally occurring in the water. It was changed into copper hydroxide which is insoluble and metastable and then into copper oxides.
All the evidence is there but most people refuse to see it.
GoodAttention
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The following well documented and referenced source describes in great detail the construction and construction materials documented for the Great Pyramid at Giza. This source references many sources and 228 footnotes from these and other references,
Great Pyramid of Giza - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Materials
Wadi Maghareh
(copper)
Aswan (granite)
Lebanon (timber)
Giza (limestone)
Tura (white limestone)
Widan el-Faras (basalt)
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Origins of the materials used for Khufu's pyramid complex
The Great Pyramid consists of an estimated 2.3 million blocks. Approximately 5.5 million tonnes of limestone, 8,000 tonnes of granite, and 500,000 tonnes of mortar were used in the construction.[101]
Most of the blocks were quarried at Giza just south of the pyramid, an area now known as the Central Field.[102] They are a particular type of nummulitic limestone formed of the fossils of prehistoric shell creatures, whose small disc form can still be seen in some of the pyramid's blocks upon close inspection.[103] Other fossils have been found in the blocks and other structures on the site, including fossilized shark teeth.[104][105] The white limestone used for the casing was transported by boat across the Nile from the Tura quarries of the Eastern Desert plateau, about 10 km (6.2 mi) south-east of the Giza plateau. In 2013, rolls of papyrus called the Diary of Merer were discovered, written by a supervisor of the deliveries of limestone from Tura to Giza in the 27th year of Khufu's reign.[106]
The granite stones in the pyramid were transported from Aswan, more than 900 km (560 mi) south.[8] The largest, weighing 25 to 80 tonnes, form the ceilings of the "King's chamber" and the "relieving chambers" above it. Ancient Egyptians cut stone into rough blocks by hammering grooves into natural stone faces, inserting wooden wedges, then soaking these with water. As the water was absorbed, the wedges expanded, breaking off workable chunks. Once the blocks were cut, they were carried by boat on the Nile to the pyramid and used a now dry offshoot of the river to transport blocks closer to the site.[107][108]
I'm just going to ask simple questions so you won't go off on tangents.
How does the Tura white limestone blocks become the pyramid's casing???
cladking
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Egyptologists don't understand such simple physics and believe this was an early attempt at a boat. Not even a caveman could make such a mistake.
Interestingly Giza was the jumping off place of the human race. Most human species that thrived originated in Africa and probably passed right by the Giza pyramids to leave the continent because the crossing is so difficult to the north. This is the point the Nile branches into a delta of all low lying land. It's like the majority of all the "human" species crossed the river here using boats, barges, and rafts. Other routes exist but are less than ideal. Giza was grand central station for tens of thousands of years. There are oases in the vicinity and until about 4000 BC the Ur Nile flowed west to east just at the base of the Great Pyramid. Water probably began welling up from the carbonated aquifer as early as about 7000 BC but it created far too little copper to show up. The well wasn't drilled until after 3400 BC. Early geysers had been drilled and the first one with significant power was used to build Djoser's Pyramid which may have actually been intended for Imhotep's burial mastaba but was then converted to the first great pyramid usually attributed to Djoser. The evidence is very sketchy. Very thin.
River Sea
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@GoodAttention
I wonder if pyramids were made center outward. Like how ants build ant hills. So ants build pyramids as well? What if we study how ants build ant hills, will that help understand this?
The Egyptians quarried and cut the stone and made the casing using the tools and manpower they had at the time.
First, not the subject of the thread
Not responding to posts #248and #249 that give references of first hand physical research and discoveries on what we know now, Yes, there are many unanswered questions, but science does not deal in speculations.
I can say stones of this size and larger have been used in other cultures in ancient history in building megalithic structures,
Stone Hinge stones are between 20 an 30 tons and they were a more primitive culture,
The atones used in the trilithon at Baalbek, Lebanon were 700 to 900 tons
They were not moved by magic.
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No reliable academic source provided. What dating methods and materials e=were used? There are multiple ways the pyramids have been accurately dated.
Dates of the documented pyramid construction: The peak of pyramid building was from the 3rd dynasty to the 6th dynasty, around 2686–2325 BCE. There were earlier tombs and structures
cladking
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Two proper scientific studies have been done. The first was probably a little less good and as I recall mostly had samples only from G1 and these included plant fibers and charcoal (mostly cypress). The second study used a better methodology and had samples for around the pyramid as well. Samples at the top of the pyramid tended to be older.
I have some question as to the validity of C14 testing here. I believe they also carbon tested the CO2 in the western boat pit when it was opened recently. The results seemed unremarkable but I might be misinterpreting them. It's very difficult to estimate the amount of CO2 produced in the decomposition of the limestone. I don't know.
You should be able to google up the testing results for all of this. If you have trouble I'll give it a shot.