How do believers speak for god?

[Unveiled Artist]

Genuine question to believers (to whom this appropriate): how do you speak for god?

For example, and I'll quote not to be rude to whom I quoted. I rather be blunt than go around the bush.

@Wildswanderer....God doesn't need to explain anything. He had the real truth written down, a physical tomb, a physical raising from the dead

@Trailblazer.... Just because God knew what brains have the capacity to do that does not mean God intended for them to do anything. God does not determine what humans do, humans do.

@Fool When God says he is alpha and omega, does that imply everything created

@Jim He says that people can enter it by following Him. He gives people advice about how to live the best life they can.

and others.

How do believers know what god thinks and does? Even one person says god is compassion and doesn't do harm and the other says he does harm but that means he is just.

Especially if someone was outside god-belief systems, how would they ascertain that it is actually god believers speak of or just concepts they agree with and put in "god's mouth?"

Using scripture is only a confirmation bias but doesn't address the question.

Insights?

 

[Trailblazer]

How do believers know what god thinks and does?

I do not claim to know what God thinks or does. All that I believe that God does is send Messengers in every age.
Nobody knows what God is thinking, not even the Messengers.

 

[Starlight]

I do not claim to know what God thinks or does. All that I believe that God does is send Messengers in every age.
Nobody knows what God is thinking, not even the Messengers.

Do you believe saints of different religions is also messengers of God?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I do not claim to know what God thinks or does. All that I believe that God does is send Messengers in every age.
Nobody knows what God is thinking, not even the Messengers.

The sentence I quote from you (and the other thread) and by observation shows you're speaking for god but you saying you don't. How can it be both at the same time?

 

[Trailblazer]

Do you believe saints of different religions is also messengers of God?

No, I don't believe that saints are the same as Messengers of God.

 

[Trailblazer]

The sentence I quote from you (and the other thread) quotes, by observation, you're speaking for god but you saying you don't. How can it be both at the same time?

Only a Messenger of God can speak for God. I just explain what the Messenger wrote.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Using scripture is only a confirmation bias but doesn't address the question.

Of course it does if scripture is authoritative...which was how Jesus himself used it.
Of course there's faith involved also, but it's not an unreasonable faith.

 

[JoshuaTree]

Genuine question to believers (to whom this appropriate): how do you speak for god?

For example, and I'll quote not to be rude to whom I quoted. I rather be blunt than go around the bush.

@Wildswanderer....God doesn't need to explain anything. He had the real truth written down, a physical tomb, a physical raising from the dead

@Trailblazer.... Just because God knew what brains have the capacity to do that does not mean God intended for them to do anything. God does not determine what humans do, humans do.

@Fool When God says he is alpha and omega, does that imply everything created

@Jim He says that people can enter it by following Him. He gives people advice about how to live the best life they can.

and others.

How do believers know what god thinks and does? Even one person says god is compassion and doesn't do harm and the other says he does harm but that means he is just.

Especially if someone was outside god-belief systems, how would they ascertain that it is actually god believers speak of or just concepts they agree with and put in "god's mouth?"

Using scripture is only a confirmation bias but doesn't address the question.

Insights?

I consider myself God's personal puppet, but the point of my existence might be to serve as a lesson to others as what not to do, all good.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

Genuine question to believers (to whom this appropriate): how do you speak for god?

For example, and I'll quote not to be rude to whom I quoted. I rather be blunt than go around the bush.

@Wildswanderer....God doesn't need to explain anything. He had the real truth written down, a physical tomb, a physical raising from the dead

@Trailblazer.... Just because God knew what brains have the capacity to do that does not mean God intended for them to do anything. God does not determine what humans do, humans do.

@Fool When God says he is alpha and omega, does that imply everything created

@Jim He says that people can enter it by following Him. He gives people advice about how to live the best life they can.

and others.

How do believers know what god thinks and does? Even one person says god is compassion and doesn't do harm and the other says he does harm but that means he is just.

Especially if someone was outside god-belief systems, how would they ascertain that it is actually god believers speak of or just concepts they agree with and put in "god's mouth?"

Using scripture is only a confirmation bias but doesn't address the question.

Insights?

most people create their own god in their own image

therefore, it follows that they can comfortably speak for god

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

Of course it does if scripture is authoritative...which was how Jesus himself used it.
Of course there's faith involved also, but it's not an unreasonable faith.

what makes scripture authoritative?

what is faith? (people have varying ideas)

if there is an all powerful all knowing god, then how could any person speak FOR this god with authority?

just curious

 

[JoshuaTree]

what makes scripture authoritative?

what is faith? (people have varying ideas)

if there is an all powerful all knowing god, then how could any person speak FOR this god with authority?

just curious

If God is all powerful and all knowing, how could any person not?

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

If God is all powerful and all knowing, how could any person not?

ok

you win

 

[JoshuaTree]

ok

you win

Dang, dude I be bored, engage ha ha. Back to the cosmology thread I guess.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

Dang, dude I be bored, engage ha ha. Back to the cosmology thread I guess.

i accept defeat far far more than victory

now, if I’m really passionate about something, I can debate you all day and night

have a great day

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Only a Messenger of God can speak for God. I just explain what the Messenger wrote.

Wouldn't it be better to say the messenger X says instead of god says?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Of course it does if scripture is authoritative...which was how Jesus himself used it.
Of course there's faith involved also, but it's not an unreasonable faith.

Anyone can read scripture though. So to express what god says/does (if one can) they need to do so in their own words. We can't "read" other people's experiences and interpretations so there is more curiosity and interest than what we (those on the outside) read in scripture (or from messengers). One would think it's a cheat sheet but for those who don't see any authority in it, it is not. Forgone conclusion.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I consider myself God's personal puppet, but the point of my existence might be to serve as a lesson to others as what not to do, all good.

Does god speak through you therefore (I haven't read any of your posts I remember) you speak for god (if you align with my other examples)?

 

[Wildswanderer]

what makes scripture authoritative?

what is faith? (people have varying ideas)

if there is an all powerful all knowing god, then how could any person speak FOR this god with authority?

just curious

True Christians have always believed that God is in some sense the author of scripture. This is what makes it authoritative, God's own authority. Of course you can choose to believe otherwise.
That's why faith is required. Faith according to scripture is evidence of the unseen.
Hebrews 11:
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Jesus spoke of faith as small as a mustard seed moving mountains.

 

[JoshuaTree]

Does god speak through you therefore (I haven't read any of your posts I remember) you speak for god (if you align with my other examples)?

My existence speaks for God, as does yours, as do we all. Love your neighbor as yourself as we are all part of God's perfect plan.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Anyone can read scripture though. So to express what god says/does (if one can) they need to do so in their own words. We can't "read" other people's experiences and interpretations so there is more curiosity and interest than what we (those on the outside) read in scripture (or from messengers). One would think it's a cheat sheet but for those who don't see any authority in it, it is not. Forgone conclusion.

I'm not sure I follow. But certainly God reveals himself in other ways also. But the catch 22 is that this usually doesn't happen until we have some degree of faith, because we don't recognize God working before that.
If I tell you God spoke to me in a very personal way that only I would understand, it should tell you something about what kind of God he is. Anyone can scoff of course, but there's literally millions of people on the earth who have these experiences.