How do believers speak for god?

[Unveiled Artist]

The gift is the believing, not the speaking.

Believing isn't an action and without speaking there's no expression of conviction.

How does belief alone a gift if it's not conviction and action?

 

[JoshuaTree]

Believing isn't an action and without speaking there's no expression of conviction.

How does belief alone a gift if it's not conviction and action?

Nope, believing isn't an action, or a reaction, it is a gift.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Nope, believing isn't an action, or a reaction, it is a gift.

How so?

Do you believe belief is better than actions when referring to gods gift?

 

[Trailblazer]

My question though has to do with your word choice. If only bahalluah knows why say you know?

It gives the impression you're speaking for god because that is literally how it reads.

know because I got it from Baha'u'llah.
I will try to be more aware of how it reads.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Not according to Christianity.
Unless it's the fatalist version.
If someone hates, they are doing the enemies will, not God's will.

But what if the enemy is doing God’s will?

“So then, what power are you?”
“I am part of that force that always wills evil, and always produces good”.

- J W van Goethe. Mephistopheles answer to Faust.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I usually hear only prophets, saints, manifestations, and incarnations hear god (and speak for him). That and biblical inspired authors.

Do believers share in their gifts?

Have you ever tried to open a channel in your heart to God? Maybe you too can receive this gift.

 

[firedragon]

Genuine question to believers (to whom this appropriate): how do you speak for god?

For example, and I'll quote not to be rude to whom I quoted. I rather be blunt than go around the bush.

@Wildswanderer....God doesn't need to explain anything. He had the real truth written down, a physical tomb, a physical raising from the dead

@Trailblazer.... Just because God knew what brains have the capacity to do that does not mean God intended for them to do anything. God does not determine what humans do, humans do.

@Fool When God says he is alpha and omega, does that imply everything created

@Jim He says that people can enter it by following Him. He gives people advice about how to live the best life they can.

and others.

How do believers know what god thinks and does? Even one person says god is compassion and doesn't do harm and the other says he does harm but that means he is just.

Especially if someone was outside god-belief systems, how would they ascertain that it is actually god believers speak of or just concepts they agree with and put in "god's mouth?"

Using scripture is only a confirmation bias but doesn't address the question.

Insights?

Lets say a Christian uses his scripture on behalf of God to narrate to you what is said, and that's what he thinks God said, is that not speaking for God? How would you counter that? Im curious to understand how you would.

 

[firedragon]

Wouldn't it be better to say the messenger X says instead of god says?

With that logic,

the messenger says that "god said X"
and you would say "the messenger said that god said X"

which ultimately is "god said X".

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Have you ever tried to open a channel in your heart to God? Maybe you too can receive this gift.

That's not my interest in deity worship. My heart is somewhere else. I'm not sure why you'd ask. Right now I'm just discussing, nothing deeper than that.

Would you like to answer the question with the pretense of discussion only?

 

[RestlessSoul]

That's not my interest in deity worship. My heart is somewhere else. I'm not sure why you'd ask. Right now I'm just discussing, nothing deeper than that.

Would you like to answer the question with the pretense of discussion only?

Would I like to answer the question, How do believers speak for God?

I believe God speaks to us, if we are prepared to learn how to listen. So there is no need for anyone to speak for God. However, sometimes it helps to receive teaching and guidance from spiritually enlightened individuals, whether in person or through the written word.

As an aside, I find it helpful to bear in mind when considering scripture, that Buddha, Socrates, and Jesus never wrote a word themselves, that we know of.

 

[Shakeel]

Using scripture is only a confirmation bias but doesn't address the question.

it addresses the question perfectly.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Genuine question to believers (to whom this appropriate): how do you speak for god?

I'm a bit confused as to why you write "god" in lower case throughout this thread. What are you meaning by this? Any random deity?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

it addresses the question perfectly.

It doesn't. The answer should stand on its own. Scripture doesn't say anything different just we can get answers better from living people and they are easier to talk to.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm a bit confused as to why you write "god" in lower case throughout this thread. What are you meaning by this? Any random deity?

I usually don't caps god. It's a habit and genuinely not necessary since I don't hold it as a proper pronoun and highly revere it as such. It does say the questions are to believers and whom it is appropriate. It's hard to make everyone feel included.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I usually don't caps god. It's a habit and genuinely not necessary since I don't hold it as a proper pronoun and highly revere it as such. It does say the questions are to believers and whom it is appropriate. It's hard to make everyone feel included.

If I'm referring to the God of Abraham, I capitalize "God" for a couple of reasons.

• It is a name given to this deity, and how his followers refer to Him, and therefore it is a proper noun, so capitalization is grammatically correct. Just the same way I would capitalize Allah. It's technically Arabic for "god," but it's also the the name given to Islam's principle deity.
• While I don't revere the God of Abraham, I do revere the true nature of the people who follow Him, therefore, I capitalize the word out of respect for His followers.

The use of the word "god" already presents confusion. There is no need to add to that confusion by not implementing correct grammar when using the word. Whether or not you want to respect or revere the deity or His followers, well...I suppose that's on you.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Would I like to answer the question, How do believers speak for God?

I believe God speaks to us, if we are prepared to learn how to listen. So there is no need for anyone to speak for God. However, sometimes it helps to receive teaching and guidance from spiritually enlightened individuals, whether in person or through the written word.

As an aside, I find it helpful to bear in mind when considering scripture, that Buddha, Socrates, and Jesus never wrote a word themselves, that we know of.

I notice religious regardless and those who aren't have a concept they hear or have a sense of someone, something, or X that somehow gave them a profound sign or message. Deceased loved ones, ancestors, angels, or just practice.

How would a person know where and which source that source came from, from that alone?

What's unique about gods voice (for sake of discussion) that a person would recognize as one god over another?

 

[MonkeyFire]

It starts with pleasure and safety, then he can consult his omniscience as to which things he can use. I tend to think the positive things, like health, or safety need to let go of their middle selfs of healing and saving, and of there negative hellish things like disease and danger, and just be entirely positive.

 

[stvdv]

Genuine question to believers (to whom this appropriate): how do you speak for god?

I do my utmost best to avoid this
Because I believe it is blasphemy
Hence I end all my posts with "IMHO"

 

[stvdv]

Genuine question to believers (to whom this appropriate): how do you speak for god?

IF someone is a "believer"
THEN whatever he says is "his belief" = "his opinion"

So, the person does not speak "for God"
This is just how (s)he interprets the Scripture or experiences

The believer just forgot in his enthusiasm to add "in my humble opinion" I think/hope

 

[BilliardsBall]

Genuine question to believers (to whom this appropriate): how do you speak for god?

For example, and I'll quote not to be rude to whom I quoted. I rather be blunt than go around the bush.

@Wildswanderer....God doesn't need to explain anything. He had the real truth written down, a physical tomb, a physical raising from the dead

@Trailblazer.... Just because God knew what brains have the capacity to do that does not mean God intended for them to do anything. God does not determine what humans do, humans do.

@Fool When God says he is alpha and omega, does that imply everything created

@Jim He says that people can enter it by following Him. He gives people advice about how to live the best life they can.

and others.

How do believers know what god thinks and does? Even one person says god is compassion and doesn't do harm and the other says he does harm but that means he is just.

Especially if someone was outside god-belief systems, how would they ascertain that it is actually god believers speak of or just concepts they agree with and put in "god's mouth?"

Using scripture is only a confirmation bias but doesn't address the question.

Insights?

Using scripture isn't a confirmation bias if the scripture is proved true (by say, fulfilled specific prophecy of incredible worth).

I speak for God if I feel prompted to do so and tell people "I think" or "I think God is telling us/wanting us".