How do you depart India from Hinduism?

[Poeticus]

namaskaram


equaly I dont see the any wish to seperate them on my behalf , taking up a dharmic religion one takes up the dharmic behaviors that are by their very nature more prevelent in their place of origin , to me the longer one practices the deper ones understanding is of indian , asian , indic ...culture becomes , one dosent nececarily have to take on every aspect but I canot help but think as one continues to practice one naturaly takes on more of these characteristics as a part of ones progress ...

and never could I wish that india looses these characteristics , for if it did it would be the influence of adharmic behaviors coming from the west .

Your thoughts are well-intentioned and well-motivating. As an Indian, I really
appreciate your support and admiration. But I spoke about intellectual honesty
and I feel it appropriate to stay intellectually honest and state that India today
is far from being truly Dharmic. The country has already lost numerous Dharmic
aspects in societal conduct - and it is so removed from the Ancient and Classical
days of yore that it is almost entirely a different socio-cultural landscape now.
Violence on women is high; casteism in both villages and cities is high; corruption
levels are incredibly high, etc.. Granted that there is a very high possibility that
a "mythical India ripe with Golden Age-like Dharma" never truly existed, but it's
definitely not the same India that once thrived in 400 BCE - 400 CE.

I really don't get why the West is seen as so Adharmic. India has its share of
Adharmism, if not more than the West. Even the Rishi-s, in my opinion, would
have a difficult time acknowledging that today's India is the same as the one
they meditated in.​

 

[Vinayaka]

I think we're all mixed now. Dharmic people and adharmic people in both places. Because of globalisation, the whole idea of an east/west divide is far less clear. It makes for a necessity to use one's discriminating mind a lot more in order to tell. Long held assumptions no longer work.

 

[Fireside_Hindu]

Maybe she already has a strange man staying in her house. I know my wife has one.

Bingo. By his own admission too. :jester5:

:camp:

 

[Fireside_Hindu]

Your thoughts are well-intentioned and well-motivating. As an Indian, I really
appreciate your support and admiration. But I spoke about intellectual honesty
and I feel it appropriate to stay intellectually honest and state that India today
is far from being truly Dharmic. The country has already lost numerous Dharmic
aspects in societal conduct - and it is so removed from the Ancient and Classical
days of yore that it is almost entirely a different socio-cultural landscape now.
Violence on women is high; casteism in both villages and cities is high; corruption
levels are incredibly high, etc.. Granted that there is a very high possibility that
a "mythical India ripe with Golden Age-like Dharma" never truly existed, but it's
definitely not the same India that once thrived in 400 BCE - 400 CE.

I really don't get why the West is seen as so Adharmic. India has its share of
Adharmism, if not more than the West. Even the Rishi-s, in my opinion, would
have a difficult time acknowledging that today's India is the same as the one
they meditated in.​

Thank you for your perspective. I know it's sometimes easy to romanticize the "exotic east" but lets not kid ourselves. Times have indeed changed for everyone. Like V said, there's the good and the bad in probably pretty close to equal parts all over the world.

:camp:

 

[Poeticus]

Thank you for your perspective. I know it's sometimes easy to romanticize the "exotic east" but lets not kid ourselves. Times have indeed changed for everyone. Like V said, there's the good and the bad in probably pretty close to equal parts all over the world.

:camp:

It's imperative, in my opinion, to often be realistic.​

 

[ShivaFan]

For me as a Saiva, I would have a hard time disassociating my Hinduism from Mother India.

For some Vaisnavs, this might be more easier since they have concepts such as "Goloka Vrindavan" being both a place on earth and at the same a "heaven". Thus in two places at the same moment.

But my Hinduisms are strongly rooted in the concept of tirthas and mystic gateways at actual locations on earth (doorwaya if you will), and most of these holy places are in India and the Himalayas. Though I also believe that there can be and are tirthas elsewhere in the world, and will be more with the passage of time. I also be svayambhu murtis and forms (self-manifested), and that most of these also happen to be in India, again not all and there will be more in the future in other places. I also believe in Ganga, which is in India, and Kashi, which is in India. And I also believe that humans first learned to grow (rather than gather) crops and food in Kashi and it is the first City. So I guess Kashi to me is like Rome to a Christian or Jerusalem to a Jew. Actually, all religion and philosophy owes India as the Mother in my Hinduism. So there is a lot of India in my Hinduism.

Om Namah Sivaya

 

[Aupmanyav]

They do. To bad it's all the way in New Jersey lol I live on the complete opposite side of the country.

Hindu Youth Summer Camp by Sadhu Vaswani Center New Jersey - starting July 6. Sorry, up to 16 year age. But then search. Many Hindus around there including my niece.

 

[Poeticus]

Hindu Youth Summer Camp by Sadhu Vaswani Center New Jersey - starting July 6. Sorry, up to 16 year age. But then search. Many Hindus around there including my niece.

@Fireside_Hindu,

Remember one of my earlier threads from a few months ago about
Hindu camps for people around our age (21-28) ? Well, the one in
the link above is not only near us (kinda far for me, but eh), but it is
also taking Counsellor Applications for people that are 17/18 +.

You down ?​

 

[Aupmanyav]

I really don't get why the West is seen as so Adharmic. India has its share of Adharmism, if not more than the West. Even the Rishi-s, in my opinion, would have a difficult time acknowledging that today's India is the same as the one they meditated in.

Yes, West is no more 'adharmic' than India, taking into consideration cultural differences. But it is only now, in 2014, that we have finally overthrown the foreign yoke (the despotic rule of the Italian family). Now we are on our own. Today's news - All members of Junagarh Congress have resigned to join BJP.

 

[Kalidas]

Hindu Youth Summer Camp by Sadhu Vaswani Center New Jersey - starting July 6. Sorry, up to 16 year age. But then search. Many Hindus around there including my niece.

If I lived near by...and or had a way there I would love to be a counselor! Alas to far away from me

 

[Kalidas]

@Fireside_Hindu,

Remember one of my earlier threads from a few months ago about
Hindu camps for people around our age (21-28) ? Well, the one in
the link above is not only near us (kinda far for me, but eh), but it is
also taking Counsellor Applications for people that are 17/18 +.

You down ?​

OMG Fireside say yes!

 

[Poeticus]

If I lived near by...and or had a way there I would love to be a counselor! Alas to far away from me

Yo, I got an idea! ShivaFan should know countless
Hindu-related camps for all ages for people in Cali.
I'm sure there are many camps in San Francisco.
In fact, Cali has the highest number of Hindus in the
United States - so I'd be surprised if they didn't
have Hindu camps for interested youth and/or adults.​

 

[Poeticus]

Today's news - All members of Junagarh Congress have resigned to join BJP.

Wait ... isn't that bad news ?​

 

[Kalidas]

Yo, I got an idea! ShivaFan should know countless
Hindu-related camps for all ages for people in Cali.
I'm sure there are many camps in San Francisco.
In fact, Cali has the highest number of Hindus in the
United States - so I'd be surprised if they didn't
have Hindu camps for interested youth and/or adults.​

HHmmm good point but it seems to late now. Maybe next year?! I should look that up thanks for the advice.

honestly I also want to meet you and Fireside. I want to meet a lot of you lol

 

[Poeticus]

honestly I also want to meet you and Fireside. I want to meet a lot of you lol

Come at me, brah. We can Garba, brah.​

 

[Kalidas]

Come at me, brah. We can Garba, brah.​

But you're like far away.

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes, West is no more 'adharmic' than India, taking into consideration cultural differences. But it is only now, in 2014, that we have finally overthrown the foreign yoke (the despotic rule of the Italian family). Now we are on our own. Today's news - All members of Junagarh Congress have resigned to join BJP.

Italian? Forgive my huge ignorance, but are you saying that there were Italian rulers in India until recently?

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

Italian? Forgive my huge ignorance, but are you saying that there were Italian rulers in India until recently?

Yes, Sonya gandhi and company were an italian family. Don't get fooled by the "indian" sound of the name...

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes, Sonya gandhi and company were an italian family. Don't get fooled by the "indian" sound of the name...

I'm used to cultures that can't seriously claim to be self-birthed.

And I see that she is a catholic as well. Surprising, I must admit.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Wait ... isn't that bad news ?​

Not really. The original BJP members with RSS background would always be preferred. In time some of the Congress members will adjust in the picture. After all, Shankar Singh Vaghela of BJP adjusted in Congress and now leads it in Gujarat Assembly. Politicians are flexible when their interests are concerned. 'Aya Ram, Gaya Ram', morning in one political party, evening in another. Some have made it a habit.

"Among the big defectors who could grab a seat in the 16th Lok Sabha include Rao Indrajit Singh, Om Prakash Yadav, Sushil Kumar Singh, Brij Bhushan Sharan Singh, Jagdambika Pal, Dharamvir Singh, Ajay Nishad, Santosh Kumar, Mehboob Ali Kaiser, Ashok Kumar Dohare, Vidyut Baran Mahato, Col. Sonaram Choudhary, Ram Kripal Yadav, and Heena Gavit." They sensed the pulse of the people. Due to 'defection laws' they will have to toe the BJP line.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...-who-defected-to-bjp-before-elections-1989536