How do you detect "design"?

[SkepticThinker]

I am not interested in your demagogic rhetoric or personal attacks.

In case you haven't realized yet: you are a member of the set of elements that I call "the hole where I throw those who don't care what they say."

Cool, cool. How about we just throw your entire thread in there as well then. It's not like you're here to engage in debate or discussion or to learn anything. You've made that quite clear.

 

[shunyadragon]

In my own opinion my comment was sufficiently clear, precise and brief on the issue.

. . . but wrong and without references.

I wasn't trying to lecture anyone or brag... For that I would do what you do, copy/paste articles from the web and pretend that you understand them.

The citation is documented specific and clear and you chose to not respond.

 

[Eli G]

ATP-synthase is known for being part of a process. I don't need to be so detailed on a public forum.
Maybe in another site I would have been more exquisite in details.

PS: I didn't open this thread ... and you are in the same hole I got the other one for the same reason: you just try to disqualify others when you know what they say is true. That is not honest, and people who is not honest in one thing may not be honest in anything else.

 

[shunyadragon]

I don't lie ... I am a believer, not an evolutionist.

I believe intentional ignorance of science based on JW agenda is your problem.

 

[Eli G]

The agenda of Jehovah's Witnesses is to help as many people as we can to find the truth about

who gave us life and deserves our gratitude,
why humanity is suffering while human leaders continue to harm people and the planet,
what will happen in the future
and what opportunities they have to survive it.

So: truth and right... that agenda is what all human beings should pursue.

 

[Pogo]

It is much easier to be humble and say "no one knows that until now"
...than to arrogantly begin to blame others of being impertinent just for asking.

It is not your asking, it is that we have learned your standard responses and have mostly stopped wasting our time.

 

[Pogo]

It was demonstrated that is false.

Evidence please, not just a new claim that we haven't gotten around to yet as this ATP nonsense appears to be.

 

[Eli G]

I'm no religious nut, but this is just plain false. Please provide a blow-by-blow account of how ATP-synthase came to exist. Thanks.

You are so lost in your demagoguery

I never asked anything. I just contributed to the thread.

PS: So many paid mercenaries, and so useless.

 

[Pogo]

I don't lie ... I am a believer, not an evolutionist.

Since evolutionists don't even exist the best that can be said of that statement is that is a non-sequitur.

 

[Pogo]

ATP-synthase is known for being part of a process. I don't need to be so detailed on a public forum.
Maybe in another site I would have been more exquisite in details.

PS: I didn't open this thread ... and you are in the same hole I got the other one for the same reason: you just try to disqualify others when you know what they say is true. That is not honest, and people who is not honest in one thing may not be honest in anything else.

More weapons grade projection.

 

[Pogo]

You are so lost in your demagoguery

I never asked anything. I just contributed to the thread.

PS: So many paid mercenaries, and so useless.

this person was actually trying to support you but due to your lack of basic understanding you missed that.

 

[Eli G]

I'm no religious nut, but this is just plain false. Please provide a blow-by-blow account of how ATP-synthase came to exist. Thanks.

This person was the one I supported, even if she is not a believer ...
You are even more lost than I thought.
May God have mercy on you.

 

[leroy]

Great, so we can finally move on.


Follow up question: did you require your SC "method" to conclude that yes?
If so, explain how.

No I did not used the SC method-…------------ ohhh see once again you received clear and direct answers from me……………….why can´t I get the same courtesy?

I am not saying that SC is the only method/way to detect design………….I am saying that it is *A* method

If not, why not and what alternative method did you use to conclude that yes?

Someone told me that QR are designed (I even remember that moment)

Also, still waiting on an actual example of my question X pages ago: give me an example of using SC to conclude design in a thing that wasn't already known to be designed.

I already provided the example multiple times and you keep ignoring it

The data that one insert in a QR generator could be designed or non designed

Irrelevant.

Why cant you answer with a simple yes or a simple no?.....the question was...
"The data (numbers and letters)that you insert in QR generator could be ether designed or non designed .......yes or no?"

The resulting QR code either way is a designed object. As you just agreed with above..............................

Yes that has been granted multiple times I agree.

But the numbers and letters that one would insert in a QR generator could be designed or non designed……………………………if you don’t explicitly deny this fact I will assume that you agree and move on

As in the example I gave earlier: if you spill paint on a rock, the paint on the rock remains a manufactured thing. The rock with paint on it would not be of natural occurrence. It matters not if the paint was put there "by design" with purpose or it was just spilled at random.

Whether if it matters to you or not is irrelevant…………….we can still ask the question

¿was the paint was putted in there by design or was it spilled randomly?

The paint itself might be a manufactured (designed) object….. but the mechanism responsible for the paint in the rocks could be designed or non designed.

 

[leroy]

No, they are always designed, because all numbers and letters are designed as they are that. It is a general feature of numbers and letters.
Now they can be designed as ordelrly according to the program in the computer who can read the code or not orderly, but in both cases they are designed. Just as orderly or not in regards to the program.

My point is that you can type random numbers and letters from your keyboard and create a QR

 

[leroy]

Why do you think this is important?

You're supposed to be sharing with us your system for detecting design in nature.
Then you give an example of something we know is designed from the get-go, and then tell me that if a QR code doesn't open a website then we "don't know" if it was designed or not. Of course we know it was designed, regardless of whether or not it opens a website.

It's a flaw in your argument.

No, if it doesn't open a website, we still know that the QR code was designed! This is why I keep explaining to you about the QR code that I designed once that didn't work properly and didn't open the website I wanted it to open. That doesn't mean we "don't know" if the QR code was designed. We still know it was designed. By me.

Stop telling me that I'm pretending this or that. You don't know me.

Maybe you need to start facing facts that your assertions aren't holding up under scrutiny.

You have been corrected multiple times and you still make the same mistakes…………….I am done with you

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

My point is that you can type random numbers and letters from your keyboard and create a QR

Yeah, now type in random numbers and letter in the universe as such and explain how you do that. Where is the keyboard for the universe so we can do the test on the universe and what is a QR in regards to the universe, so we can make it random.
Can you answer that?

 

[shunyadragon]

ATP-synthase is known for being part of a process. I don't need to be so detailed on a public forum.
Maybe in another site I would have been more exquisite in details.

Detailed references have ben provide for the origin of ATP synthesis and you have provided nothing and failed to respond to the references.

PS: I didn't open this thread ... and you are in the same hole I got the other one for the same reason: you just try to disqualify others when you know what they say is true. That is not honest, and people who is not honest in one thing may not be honest in anything else.

Nothing has been provided by your support your argument,

 

[leroy]

The data is designed as well, regardless of whether or not it opens a website.

Numbers and letters were also invented by humans as a means to communicate with each other. They are also designed.

If you type random letters from your keyboard and create a QR, this mechanism would be a random mechanism (therefore no designed)

1 yes the computer would be designed

2 the QR generator would be designed

3 the QR would be designed

4 but the combinations of letters that you inserted where random (non designed)

Honestly……………….why is this so hard to understand?

 

[shunyadragon]

The agenda of Jehovah's Witnesses is to help as many people as we can to find the truth about

who gave us life and deserves our gratitude,
why humanity is suffering while human leaders continue to harm people and the planet,
what will happen in the future
and what opportunities they have to survive it.

So: truth and right... that agenda is what all human beings should pursue.

I am referring to the issue of science.

Every church and religion claims to do what you claim above.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

In my own opinion my comment was sufficiently clear, precise and brief on the issue.

Two others have disagreed with you already in less than an hour. And I pointed out a few errors.

I wasn't trying to lecture anyone or brag... For that I would do what you do, copy/paste articles from the web and pretend that you understand them.

You would? That's quite the self-own. Isn't there anything you feel qualified to write about without plagiarizing another source?

Incidentally, it's easy to identify a plagiarizer. Just excise a quote and search the Internet for it. Or use on of the free plagiarism checkers on the net.

Thanks for saying that you thought my words were too good to be my own. I was just on another thread where the discussion was about Trump's claim that Biden must have been on performance enhancing drugs for his State of the Union speech earlier this year and the reason for him demanding a drug test before debating. That was also an unintended compliment.

ATP-synthase is known for being part of a process.

Yes, but that's not what you wrote.

Maybe in another site I would have been more exquisite in details.

I don't believe that you could provide any detail at all about that enzyme or the subject of metabolism or ATP from your own knowledge, and apparently you agree. You said that you would plagiarize if you wanted to "lecture" as you have accused me of doing.

The agenda of Jehovah's Witnesses is to help as many people as we can to find the truth about

who gave us life and deserves our gratitude,
why humanity is suffering while human leaders continue to harm people and the planet,
what will happen in the future
and what opportunities they have to survive it.

So: truth and right... that agenda is what all human beings should pursue.

My agenda includes the pursuit of truth. Yours doesn't. You don't have truth - just unfalsifiable and insufficiently supported claims.