How do you "know" that others are wrong and you are right?

[mikkel_the_dane]

Just stop it.

So you have never been around self-identified atheists, who consider themselves militant and who wanted to fight religion in any sense. Okay.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I was speaking generally, however, proselytising is a vague term and it is tolerated to an extent in RF. It is not a word that only refers to negative kind of "preaching". This forum is just filled with proselytising. Even from the side of atheists. Or should I say, particularly from the side of atheists.

This time it was more toward my self not directed toward you

 

[Piculet]

That might be because you like proselytizing.
Many people imposed their faith on me. IF someone does this, it is a fact that the person has no empathy.

That's ridiculous. Any person, without a mental illness or a neurological disorder that causes them to feel no empathy, feels empathy. You can't claim all people who proselytize are either psychopaths or have a serious neurological problem and they are therefore incapable of feeling empathy. Empathy is not something where a person is capable of telepathy and can literally know exactly what someone feels and what is their position regarding any topic.

Proselytizing is not a vague term at all. It is very clear to me.

OK, well you can blame the moderators then. They must be allowing it by mistake – continuously.

 

[Dogknox20]

Not online, no because this forum is the best forum still. In the month I was away I did search to find a new place to discuss, but found all others to be worse then RF.
And honestly I don't dislike RF as a discussion platform. What I dislike is all the trash talk especially toward Islam and Muslims.
Crap send my way I can handle my self.

Question are you a Muslim? I was in another site (Protestant) but was kicked out because I quoted scriptures defending the Holy Catholic Church!

 

[Spirit of Light]

Question are you a Muslim? I was in another site (Protestant) but was kicked out because I quoted scriptures defending the Holy Catholic Church!

I am not a Muslim I am a falun gong practitioner.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

That's ridiculous. Any person, without a mental illness or a neurological disorder that causes them to feel no empathy, feels empathy. You can't claim all people who proselytize are either psychopaths or have a serious neurological problem and they are therefore incapable of feeling empathy. Empathy is not something where a person is capable of telepathy and can literally know exactly what someone feels and what is their position regarding any topic.

OK, well you can blame the moderators then. They must be allowing it by mistake – continuously.

Not quite. There is more to it than that. Because empathy might not be the only emotion at play.
Further it gets weird with Aspies. In some cases we don't feel empathy because we can't read the situation, but that doesn't mean that we don't have it. And sometimes we can't express in a neurotypical manner.

You are doing a case of black and white and not covering the cases of grey.

 

[Dogknox20]

I am not a Muslim I am a falun gong practitioner.

Falun Gong is a combination of many beliefs why not add Christianity to the mix?!

 

[syo]

And often (not always) the discussion derail because a non believer start asking questions that is non related to the OP, where it is very clear that their mission is to debunk any form of personal spiritual belief.

They are anti-theists. This means actively against religion/theism. They simply attack. Attitude problem.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Falun Gong is a combination of many beliefs why not add Christianity to the mix?!

Wrong it is one teaching that is stand alone, but yes it contain both teaching from Buddha school and do school.
Christianity is a part of Buddha school just to mention that

My teacher and founder of Falun Gong is the only one who can teach falun going. So he is the only one I learning from. And I can not add by will from other teachings.

 

[Nakosis]

In the week or so since I come back to RF I noticed even more negativity then before I left.
And often (not always) the discussion derail because a non believer start asking questions that is non related to the OP, where it is very clear that their mission is to debunk any form of personal spiritual belief.

How do this people know they are correct when they can not prove the spiritual experience that others have is real?
What is the purpose of slandering a religion you do not follow your self? Yes I know you do not believe, burn the religious people do. And guess what, the religion is for the religious people to follow not the non religious.

And yes I know some religious people try to hard to convert you. But you can say No thank you. I do not believe, and just leave the discussion

How hard can it be?

I am right for me. I have no need or interest in being right for you. I don't believe in telling you what's right for you. I'm happy to discuss what I've found that works for me. If you find it useful, great. If not, that's ok too.

 

[Dogknox20]

Wrong it is one teaching that is stand alone, but yes it contain both teaching from Buddha school and do school.
Christianity is a part of Buddha school just to mention that

My teacher and founder of Falun Gong is the only one who can teach falun going. So he is the only one I learning from. And I can not add by will from other teachings.

Mr. Li Hongzhi, founder of Falun Gong
I assume then you are Chinese do you believe in a God or gods?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Mr. Li Hongzhi, founder of Falun Gong
I assume then you are Chinese do you believe in a God or gods?

I am from Norway. I belive there are countless Gods and Buddhas. But i only cultivate Falun Gong

 

[Dogknox20]

One last question.... Have you read the scriptures? (Bible)

 

[Trailblazer]

My skin is thick enough, but I have my limitation when same person again and again in same thread are saying I am wrong and they of course are right.

There are not very many of those people here, I finally learned not to reply to those people, and in some cases I have asked them not to reply to me again.
It worked.

At a certain point, I realized that it was just my ego that compelled me to respond and have the last word. I don't need the last word anymore.

 

[Trailblazer]

I could be jumping into so many threads where I feel I have to interject, but usually don't.

Me too, but anymore often I don't say things I really want to say, not because I am worried what might be said back to me that might offend me, but just because it is not worth the bother when it is obvious what one's position is and that it would only end in discord if I said something. People have a right to their beliefs no matter how ridiculous "I think they" are.

 

[Spirit of Light]

One last question.... Have you read the scriptures? (Bible)

Yes I was born in to a Christian family but I converted to Buddhism over 20 years ago and converted to Falun Gong master when I could not realize more wisdom in Buddhism.
Some of the teaching in Falun Gong are somewhat similar to Buddhist dharma.

 

[Spirit of Light]

There are not very many of those people here, I finally learned not to reply to those people, and in some cases I have asked them not to reply to me again.
It worked.

At a certain point, I realized that it was just my ego that compelled me to respond and have the last word. I don't need the last word anymore.

Me too and I have a feeling I will be less active in many OP. But I will stay as member of RF

 

[Trailblazer]

I go one step further and pray to God that He sends them to Heaven (far away), the sooner the better.

That is not where I would pray God sends them.

 

[Trailblazer]

Me too and I have a feeling I will be less active in many OP. But I will stay as member of RF

I am glad to hear you are not leaving RF.
I hardly ever have time to get involved in any threads that I did not start but sometimes I do it they are interesting to me.

 

[stvdv]

That might be because you like proselytizing.
Many people imposed their faith on me. IF someone does this, it is a fact that the person has no empathy.
[Empathy is the capacity to understand or feel what another person is experiencing from within their frame of reference, that is, the capacity to place oneself in another's position.]
[Together with the well known "do (not) unto others what you (don't) want them to do unto you", this is very obviously]

Empathy is not something where a person is capable of telepathy and can literally know exactly what someone feels and what is their position regarding any topic.

I thought I gave a clear definition of what I meant with empathy above

That's ridiculous. Any person, without a mental illness or a neurological disorder that causes them to feel no empathy, feels empathy.

Exactly, good to give your opinion or do you call it a fact?
Proselytizing maybe can be classified as a mental illness (being brainwashed to believe things, hence not open to other views, hence no empathy)
Even if they don't feel empathy for others, most of the time they feel sorry for themselves when others do to them what they do to others

Proselytizing is not a vague term at all. It is very clear to me.

OK, well you can blame the moderators then. They must be allowing it by mistake – continuously.

The RF Rules are clear on this, and ask all of us to help them by reporting proselytizing replies.
So, nice try, BUT NO, blaming the moderators that proselytizers proselytize, makes no sense, just like proselytizing itself