How do you percieve Vampirism?

[paradox]

I'm a kind of "fan" so to speak of vampirism and out of interest wondered if there are any groups I could join to share knowledge.

It seems like there are crazy groups in reality who literary drink blood of each other, I find this not only disgusting but also not true of what vampirism is really is.

There also seem to be groups who believe that vampirism is about sucking some ones energy and they claim to be "feeding" them self by doing so, silly.

There also seem to be some more serious groups to which it's difficult to join and I perfectly understand why, there is not way to learn more about them, but these are out of my reach physically.

What I want to discuss here is, how do you perceive varmpirism or what constitutes vampirism for you?
Do you think they have something to hide?
I think they do because they don't accept just any random person willing to join.
I'm sure there is something esoteric and dangerous (for them) hence why they don't act publicly.

Do you know of any serious groups online?
Did you have encounters with vampires or encounter with their mystery? and what it was?

 

[RabbiO]

Just then the vehicle hit a nasty bump and Bill fell off the turnip truck.

 

[paradox]

Just then the vehicle hit a nasty bump and Bill fell off the turnip truck.

Thanks for reply, does this mean you don't believe vampirism is real or is there something else you wish to say?

 

[Semmelweis Reflex]

Gee. I don't know. I thought that stuff was just for teenaged girls who like seeing guys without shirts. There has been, I suppose, since Bram Stoker's Dracula, which I read as a kid and thought was boring as hell, that sort of thing has some appeal. I can't imagine why, other than that it is - or used to be - a sort of flirtation with nonconformity? An exploration of vulnerability with obvious sexual overtones? I don't know. I don't get it. To each his own.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I'm a kind of "fan" so to speak of vampirism and out of interest wondered if there are any groups I could join to share knowledge.

It seems like there are crazy groups in reality who literary drink blood of each other, I find this not only disgusting but also not true of what vampirism is really is.

There also seem to be groups who believe that vampirism is about sucking some ones energy and they claim to be "feeding" them self by doing so, silly.

There also seem to be some more serious groups to which it's difficult to join and I perfectly understand why, there is not way to learn more about them, but these are out of my reach physically.

What I want to discuss here is, how do you perceive varmpirism or what constitutes vampirism for you?
Do you think they have something to hide?
I think they do because they don't accept just any random person willing to join.
I'm sure there is something esoteric and dangerous (for them) hence why they don't act publicly.

Do you know of any serious groups online?
Did you have encounters with vampires or encounter with their mystery? and what it was?

Stupidity... just like people trying to transform themselves into animals.

 

[paradox]

I can't imagine why, other than that it is - or used to be - a sort of flirtation with nonconformity?

Indeed there is a valid connection between the church and this kind of stuff.
I'm about to discover more about this.

 

[ChristineM]

Vampires suck.

That over with, have you tried the RF search for vampire, i just did and got about 3500 results (including this thread). Perhaps there is information there or a member you could speak with.

 

[Nimos]

I'm a kind of "fan" so to speak of vampirism and out of interest wondered if there are any groups I could join to share knowledge.

It seems like there are crazy groups in reality who literary drink blood of each other, I find this not only disgusting but also not true of what vampirism is really is.

There also seem to be groups who believe that vampirism is about sucking some ones energy and they claim to be "feeding" them self by doing so, silly.

There also seem to be some more serious groups to which it's difficult to join and I perfectly understand why, there is not way to learn more about them, but these are out of my reach physically.

What I want to discuss here is, how do you perceive varmpirism or what constitutes vampirism for you?
Do you think they have something to hide?
I think they do because they don't accept just any random person willing to join.
I'm sure there is something esoteric and dangerous (for them) hence why they don't act publicly.

Do you know of any serious groups online?
Did you have encounters with vampires or encounter with their mystery? and what it was?

I think you can find people that are into all sorts of things, probably also preppers that fear a zombie apocalypse, just as there are some that think they have special powers etc.

I think its people that have watched TV or read to many fantasy books and gotten inspired by it. I once studied with a guy that was very into buffy the vampire slayer and he said that him and some others on occasions went and slept at cemeteries. Why? have no clue, but for some reason they thought it were exciting or something.

To some degree, I could imagine that it is some sort of "roleplaying" and to make it more exciting and "real" they drink blood or pretend to be vampires or that it gives them some energy or whatever. I honestly think that they should just be happy that they don't get some sort of weird disease, as I could imagine that it is not particular healthy

There are even people that believe that drinking your own urine is healthy or something.

Dad claims drinking two glasses of urine a day for six years helped him shed 8st - but expert warns of dangers

So I don't think they have anything to hide, I think its people that have either taken something to far or convinced themselves of something or using "pseudoscience" because they are confused

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Few creatures of the night have captured our imagination like vampires. What explains our enduring fascination with vampires? Is it the overtones of sexual lust, power, and control? Or is it a fascination with the immortality of the undead?

 

[Semmelweis Reflex]

Indeed there is a valid connection between the church and this kind of stuff.
I'm about to discover more about this.

The odd thing about me is that I don't know much about the church. Doctrine, terminology, etc. Many atheists know more about that stuff than I do because my interest is in the Bible. Since 99% of the teachings of 99% of Christianity are actually more to do with either Greek philosophy or nonsense created around the conflict it causes with the actual Bible itself I am only familiar with it as it is introduced to me by either believers or unbelievers.

In the Bible the blood is the soul. It's kind of, well, confusing and odd, really. The English word soul is a bad translation of the Hebrew/Greek words that are used in translation. Problematic because that's as close a word as we have. In Greek philosophy the soul was immortal. Aristotle used the butterfly as a common example. It changes from a caterpillar like the immortal soul was thought to. The Greek word for soul and butterfly is psyche. Celtic and other cultures also see the butterfly in a similar light.

If you do a search on the English word soul you find it's etymology connected to the sea, or other large bodies of water because they thought the soul was immortal and could harm the living and that the soul was sort of restrained in large bodies of water until migrating to some living thing, apparently. If you dig really deep you may be able to find even older applications of the word. The soul actually meant to bind because the limbs of the dead were bound upon burial to prevent them from harming the living. The same concept that would later be employed in the sea.

So, it's problematic because the Bible has a much more practical application of the soul (Hebrew nephesh and Greek psyche). Nephesh means literally, "breather." So any living, breathing animal or person. There's more to it, but that is the basics. By extension the meaning is the life, life experiences of the animal or person. The soul is in the blood. So, the blood was sacred to God. As creator he owns it. And he demands it back when we die. The blood returns to the ground. It's a representation. It isn't immortal. It dies and can be destroyed. (Ezekiel 18:4; Matthew 20:28) If someone's life was taken, their blood spilt, then soul for soul, life for life, blood for blood.

It's interesting that vampire mythology seems to incorporate both of these aspects. The vampire drinks the blood and stays immortal and eventually the victim becomes a vampire as well. I always thought the garlic factor was interesting. Garlic allegedly cleans the blood. Blood is a very poor food. It's full of disease and is poor in nutrition.

The cross and the holy water is just religious nonsense. A cross is a phallic symbol used throughout history in pagan fertility worship. It was adopted, very reluctantly, by the apostate church 400 years after Christ. Holy water probably has something to do with baptism, or the aforementioned apostate church's warped application. I don't really know about that.

 

[pearl]

What I want to discuss here is, how do you perceive varmpirism or what constitutes vampirism for you?

I do not believe in vampires, but as I understand it the principle is immortality. This was the ultimate goal in the series 'Midnight Mass'.
Midnight Mass review: Very different than The Haunting of Hill House - CNET

 

[Viker]

I don't believe in literal vampirism. I enjoy the culture and history of it. I even incorporate a variation into my beliefs and practices. Diabolism and vampirism make excellent compliments of each other. I've been drawn to it ever since I watched Dracula (1930s) when I was little. The historical lore has always fascinated me.

I view it as the continual struggle between light and dark. A cultural Apophis/Ra conflict, of sorts. No one ever wins lest the whole story ends and creation fades as it descends.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I'm relatively familiar with modern vampirism, but I'm not by any means involved in it. I think vampires are an intriguing subject, and I've always been fascinated with vampire folklore. I like to read books and watch TV shows, documentaries, and movies about them.

 

[74x12]

I'm a kind of "fan" so to speak of vampirism and out of interest wondered if there are any groups I could join to share knowledge.

It seems like there are crazy groups in reality who literary drink blood of each other, I find this not only disgusting but also not true of what vampirism is really is.

There also seem to be groups who believe that vampirism is about sucking some ones energy and they claim to be "feeding" them self by doing so, silly.

There also seem to be some more serious groups to which it's difficult to join and I perfectly understand why, there is not way to learn more about them, but these are out of my reach physically.

What I want to discuss here is, how do you perceive varmpirism or what constitutes vampirism for you?
Do you think they have something to hide?
I think they do because they don't accept just any random person willing to join.
I'm sure there is something esoteric and dangerous (for them) hence why they don't act publicly.

Do you know of any serious groups online?
Did you have encounters with vampires or encounter with their mystery? and what it was?

From what I've heard; it's not what people think it is. People think it's an undead human body animated by an evil spirit or whatever. Classic Dracula movie stuff. But in reality it is a type of witch. Once you go high enough in certain types of witchcraft you get to choose if you'll be a werewolf or vampire. This is for males not females. I don't know how you become a female vampire.

But for males ... you're a witch and you've advanced to the point where you can't go higher in that school of witchcraft and you choose to be a vampire rather than a werewolf. A certain spirit has to possess you and apparently gives you a kind of virus or something that turns you into a vampire. This will alter your DNA actually so you'll be a vampire. You can no longer eat food or have sex. You just crave blood and can only drink blood. Doesn't have to be human blood; but I guess it's preferred.

Why do people want to be a vampire? Beats me. But the reason is for more power. They become a more powerful witch.

Most "vampires" you meet are not anything close to this. They're just people who are pretending to be vampires or maybe mentally ill and like the taste of blood. They're not real vampires. A real vampire will probably not tell you. They're secretive; they can be killed by the organisation they're affiliated with; if they divulge to many secrets.

 

[paradox]

Diabolism and vampirism make excellent compliments of each other

But in reality it is a type of witch. Once you go high enough in certain types of witchcraft you get to choose if you'll be a werewolf or vampire. This is for males not females. I don't know how you become a female vampire.

Indeed, I did some research and ended up on dark sites.
It seemed interesting in the beginning to find people of similar interests, but in the end vampirism ultimately leads to witchcraft one way or another. @Viker you're right indeed.
I ended up deleting my account because vampirism online is obviously just a paravane toward witchcraft.
I was expecting more philosophical approach such as esoteric share of knowledge rather than practical or actauly exercising the knowledge.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Probably it originates as a way to create scandal for someone disliked. Its not much different from claiming someone is a pedophile or is crazy and about to become violent. Nobody wants to go and talk to them to find out if they are not a vampire.

 

[RabbiO]

Thanks for reply, does this mean you don't believe vampirism is real…?

Not if you’re referring to undead beings who can transform into bats and wolves etc.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I think we can all agree that vampirism sucks!

Sorry ... somebody had to say it.​

 

[paradox]

Probably it originates as a way to create scandal for someone disliked. Its not much different from claiming someone is a pedophile or is crazy and about to become violent. Nobody wants to go and talk to them to find out if they are not a vampire.

That's what I thought as well, it could be that labeling someone as vampire in the past was used as something similar to labeling a witch in the middle ages, there are storied how people dealt with vampires in the past.

But it's impossible to know for sure, wikipedia claims this is just a folklore belief but who knows how biased is this.
if people believed bodies of the dead rose out of grave and if their belief was justified (ex. they saw a vampire) then who ever was labeled must have been logically a live rather than dead.

 

[Viker]

Indeed, I did some research and ended up on dark sites.
It seemed interesting in the beginning to find people of similar interests, but in the end vampirism ultimately leads to witchcraft one way or another. @Viker you're right indeed.
I ended up deleting my account because vampirism online is obviously just a paravane toward witchcraft.
I was expecting more philosophical approach such as esoteric share of knowledge rather than practical or actauly exercising the knowledge.

You shouldn't let any slant towards witchcraft bother you. Vampirism can be devoid of such. There's a lot to peruse for philosophical, sociological or esoteric biting.