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How Do You Think The Whole Trump Fiasco Will Turn Out?

Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
I believe it will eventually dawn on the House Democrats that Trump's ego will never permit him to compromise on shutting down the government---He's incapable of admitting he put himself in a corner

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---and because he's incapable of rustling up any empathy for anyone but himself, including the poor government employees he's put out of work, it will be up to the House to save their homes and put bread on their tables, and will therefore capitulate and give him his money.



That's what I think will happen.

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Ellen Brown

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
The situation is so bizarre that I am under the covers hiding. Bot the GOP and the Democrats seem to be under an evil spell.
 
youknowme

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
Skwim said:
I believe it will eventually dawn on the House Democrats that Trump's ego will never permit him to compromise on shutting down the government---He's incapable of admitting he put himself in a corner

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---and because he's incapable of rustling up any empathy for anyone but himself, much less the poor government employees he's put out of work, it will be up to the House to save their homes and put bread on their tables, and will therefore capitulate and give him his money.



That's what I think will happen.

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I don't know if that necessarily true, with enough public pressure Trump can cave, we saw proof of this when they were caging children. If public pressure gets high enough even Trump will give in.
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
youknowme said:
I don't know if that necessarily true, with enough public pressure Trump can cave, we saw proof of this when they were caging children. If public pressure gets high enough even Trump will give in.
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And wouldn't that be great, and the sooner the better. However, I believe he will have to be convinced it will make him look like a hero; delivering the poor government employees from the death grip of the uncompassionate Democrats.

Whatever happens, Trump will have to feel he came out on top.

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We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
Skwim said:
I believe it will eventually dawn on the House Democrats that Trump's ego will never permit him to compromise on shutting down the government---He's incapable of admitting he put himself in a corner

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---and because he's incapable of rustling up any empathy for anyone but himself, including the poor government employees he's put out of work, it will be up to the House to save their homes and put bread on their tables, and will therefore capitulate and give him his money.



That's what I think will happen.

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What started off as a battle of party's has turned into a childish and personal battle between Pelosi and Trump. Hard to say what's going to happen.
 
Valjean

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Who knows? -- and that's what makes it such an interesting soap opera. Unexpected twists at every turn.
 
Quetzal

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
My prediction is one of two timelines.
  1. Democrats fold in the House and allow wall funding to be passed, perhaps at a reduced rate. In this timeline, Trump will gain favor and popularity. His approval ratings with jump and Democrats will lose valuable posturing. Democrats will be demonized for the shut down and their 2020 run is suddenly in jeopardy as they give the GOP plenty of ammunition they can refine over the next year. The 2020 election is much less certain in this timeline.
  2. Senate Republicans pressure McConnell into a vote that eventually leads to a Democrat compromise bill passing with increased funding for the Border Patrol without any wall funding. Trump loses all credibility and approval ratings tank as he becomes the villain instead. Democrats ride this momentum in the House and begin to run the table with legislation, much of which will never see the Senate floor. However, in 2020 they run on the platform of progress pointing to the obstructions of Republicans in contrast. They will largely succeed in garnering support from the left and many moderates looking for a way out of the chaos. 2020 becomes a formality so long as the DNC doesn't appoint a complete dunce and demolishes Trump 2.
 
Ellen Brown

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
Quetzal said:
My prediction is one of two timelines.
  1. Democrats fold in the House and allow wall funding to be passed, perhaps at a reduced rate. In this timeline, Trump will gain favor and popularity. His approval ratings with jump and Democrats will lose valuable posturing. Democrats will be demonized for the shut down and their 2020 run is suddenly in jeopardy as they give the GOP plenty of ammunition they can refine over the next year. The 2020 election is much less certain in this timeline.
  2. Senate Republicans pressure McConnell into a vote that eventually leads to a Democrat compromise bill passing with increased funding for the Border Patrol without any wall funding. Trump loses all credibility and approval ratings tank as he becomes the villain instead. Democrats ride this momentum in the House and begin to run the table with legislation, much of which will never see the Senate floor. However, in 2020 they run on the platform of progress pointing to the obstructions of Republicans in contrast. They will largely succeed in garnering support from the left and many moderates looking for a way out of the chaos. 2020 becomes a formality so long as the DNC doesn't appoint a complete dunce and demolishes Trump 2.
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As illogical as it is to me, lots of people think the Wall will work. Walks off the set, shaking head.
 
Quetzal

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Oh, I forgot my third timeline

3. Neither the Democrats or Republicans budge. This leads to compounding civil unrest leading to strikes, walkouts, and other demonstrations. A foreign group takes advantage and executes an attack on a weakened US. This leads to Trump declaring Martial Law. He then takes the funding and moves his projects forward unilaterally. This causes more civil unrest, leading to citizens across the nation to begin fighting with each other in a pro/anti Trump tribal feud. The severity of this is uncertain, but the landscape of the US drastically changes. It is uncertain what the political arena will look like but polarization will compound leading to riots, violence, and additional pressure from adversaries. Worst case scenario is a complete internal collapse as citizens revolt against/for the government. This leads to a militaristic police state to reinstate order. All political standards are up for grabs and the US is changed forever. To what extreme and in what direction is anyone's guess.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Quetzal said:
Oh, I forgot my third timeline

3. Neither the Democrats or Republicans budge. This leads to compounding civil unrest leading to strikes, walkouts, and other demonstrations. A foreign group takes advantage and executes an attack on a weakened US. This leads to Trump declaring Martial Law. He then takes the funding and moves his projects forwards unilaterally. This causes more civil unrest, leading to citizens across the nation to begin fighting with each other in a pro/anti Trump tribal feud. The severity of this is uncertain, but the landscape of the US drastically changes. It is uncertain what the political arena will look like but polarization will compound leading to riots, violence, and additional pressure from adversaries. Worst case scenario is a complete internal collapse as citizens revolt against/for the government. This leads to a militaristic police state to reinstate order. All political standards are up for grabs and the US is changed forever. To what extreme and in what direction is anyone's guess.
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At some point, we must step in to take over.
I'm ready. Are you?
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I'll predict when. And that is when enough TSA people stop coming to work causing air traffic to basically shut down. This assumes Trump does not declare martial law and get the military to take over screening passengers. If that happens, who knows.

As to what, I suspect if disorder starts becoming serious the House will vote to impeach and then McConnell will be forced to come out from underneath the bed and allow a trial in the Senate. If there's serious unrest and Trumps poll numbers keep going down, I suspect the Senate will toss him out of office.

So my vote is that it ends in impeachment and a trial in the Senate.
 
youknowme

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
We Never Know said:
What started off as a battle of party's has turned into a childish and personal battle between Pelosi and Trump. Hard to say what's going to happen.
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Umm. . . Pelosi is more than willing to reopen the government. You do realize that the Reps and Trump could open the government tomorrow if they wanted to, as all the Dems are ready to reopen the government. If this was up to Pelosi our government would be funded right now.
 
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