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How does god get jeleous?

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Seriously. How

I know it written it scripture.

Does the Quran say that god displays emotions?

Is it like something you feel?
How do you differientate that emotion from say anger?
Do you get a sensation and conclude its from god?

Pagans.

Does your gods express emotions you can pick up?

Unlike above, when we experience our deities (or spirits) we have no cross reference book. We just know.

To not single out Christians, Jews, and Muslims, I wonder if the general sense of how you know what your deities feel is thr same as CJMs.

We arent aliens to each other so we cant all be that different just because our faiths differ.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
I think God getting jealous is kind of a crazy idea in my more modern understanding of things. Such things are part of the reason why I don't understand why ancient Jewish texts are still given as much attention as they are given. These texts have been a cause and perpetuator of atheism in modern times.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Jealous means different things.
This is what Google says,
    • Feeling or showing envy of someone or their achievements and advantages
    • Feeling or showing suspicion of someone's unfaithfulness in a relationship
    • Fiercely protective or vigilant of one's rights or possessions.
    • -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    • I think the kind of jealous God might be is, "vigilant of what belongs to God"
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Jealous means different things.
This is what Google says,
    • Feeling or showing envy of someone or their achievements and advantages
    • Feeling or showing suspicion of someone's unfaithfulness in a relationship
    • Fiercely protective or vigilant of one's rights or possessions.
    • -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    • I think the kind of jealous God might be is, "vigilant of what belongs to God"

How can god display these emotions..envy, suspicion, and protectiveness or vigilant?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
How can god display these emotions..envy, suspicion, and protectiveness or vigilant?
I do not believe God does display those emotions except for vigilance. It is what I said.
I believe God leads me in righteousness. That is vigilance.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Seriously. How

I know it written it scripture.

Does the Quran say that god displays emotions?

Is it like something you feel?
How do you differientate that emotion from say anger?
Do you get a sensation and conclude its from god?

Pagans.

Does your gods express emotions you can pick up?

Unlike above, when we experience our deities (or spirits) we have no cross reference book. We just know.

To not single out Christians, Jews, and Muslims, I wonder if the general sense of how you know what your deities feel is thr same as CJMs.

We arent aliens to each other so we cant all be that different just because our faiths differ.

Jealousy is not actually wrong -unless it is without valid cause.

The human "feeling" -ideally -serves to protect a union which is the basis of human society and the foundation of a stable family.
Even anger has a good purpose -and is, ideally, toward making a situation right.

Similarly, God's jealousy seeks a perfect relationship. He is motivated to bring all things to perfection -and then safeguard that ideal situation.

It may cause a "feeling" by causing some sort of reaction or feedback, but that feeling is based on logic.
Humans are not perfectly logical, so the feeling can be based on things which are imperfect or illogical.

If, for example, one is swayed by a deceiver and does not know the truth, God is not jealous OF the deceiver for "having" one, but is jealous FOR the one.
It would be like a man taking away another man's wife -and the first man knowing the other man would not treat his wife well. The jealousy then is not OF the other man -but FOR the wife.

Humans might be jealous -more correctly, covetous- of the attributes of the other, and may feel inadequate.

God is not jealous of another because he feels inadequate. He knows he is perfectly adequate. He does not covet what another has which he cannot have -because he knows he will make all things new.

God does feel -does experience emotions -and they are toward bringing us into a perfect relationship with him -and making us perfect so that we can have perfect relationships with each other. Even the many he has caused to die in his righteous anger will be raised again and benefit from the situation he will have created -the end he declared from the beginning. Some were removed so that he could accomplish something -and they will benefit from it later.
He feels -and strongly -but uses those motivational emotions correctly -always toward the good of all.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Jealousy is not actually wrong -unless it is without valid cause.

The human "feeling" -ideally -serves to protect a union which is the basis of human society and the foundation of a stable family.
Even anger has a good purpose -and is, ideally, toward making a situation right.

Similarly, God's jealousy seeks a perfect relationship. He is motivated to bring all things to perfection -and then safeguard that ideal situation.

It may cause a "feeling" by causing some sort of reaction or feedback, but that feeling is based on logic.
Humans are not perfectly logical, so the feeling can be based on things which are imperfect or illogical.

If, for example, one is swayed by a deceiver and does not know the truth, God is not jealous OF the deceiver for "having" one, but is jealous FOR the one.
It would be like a man taking away another man's wife -and the first man knowing the other man would not treat his wife well. The jealousy then is not OF the other man -but FOR the wife.

Humans might be jealous -more correctly, covetous- of the attributes of the other, and may feel inadequate.

God is not jealous of another because he feels inadequate. He knows he is perfectly adequate. He does not covet what another has which he cannot have -because he knows he will make all things new.

God does feel -does experience emotions -and they are toward bringing us into a perfect relationship with him -and making us perfect so that we can have perfect relationships with each other. Even the many he has caused to die in his righteous anger will be raised again and benefit from the situation he will have created -the end he declared from the beginning. Some were removed so that he could accomplish something -and they will benefit from it later.
He feels -and strongly -but uses those motivational emotions correctly -always toward the good of all.

(I read your post) but how does god feel?

If I'm reading my favorite novel and the main character feels, say anger, I understand that the character isnt alive but the creation of the author. The way the author wrote the character made me feel anger, jeleousy, and any other feeling that let me connect with the character.

However, in and of itself the character cant feel.

Pushing god's existence aside, just logically how does god feel? Is it through the people who believe in him or do believers actually feel the "main character" written is real (like a character coming out from a book literally like Jamanji or something?)

Is "feel" the appropriate word?

"He wants us to build a relationship with him" How does he want?
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
(I read your post) but how does god feel?

If I'm reading my favorite novel and the main character feels, say anger, I understand that the character isnt alive but the creation of the author. The way the author wrote the character made me feel anger, jeleousy, and any other feeling that let me connect with the character.

However, in and of itself the character cant feel.

Pushing god's existence aside, just logically how does god feel? Is it through the people who believe in him or do believers actually feel the "main character" written is real (like a character coming out from a book literally like Jamanji or something?)

Is "feel" the appropriate word?

"He wants us to build a relationship with him" How does he want?

Feeling is sensing. When we feel an emotion, it is because we have sensed/acknowledged something about a real or imagined situation.
Our mind processes/reacts to the information, our body senses the state of the mind and responds by making changes necessary to deal with the situation mentally (by releasing chemicals which cause us to "feel" joy, sorrow, anger, etc.) or physically (such as releasing adrenaline) -and our mind then logically senses the state of our body.

As God (the God of the bible) is able to choose his form, it may be that he has caused himself to likewise be able to "feel" by some system of feedback loops -but the sensations would still be based on logic.
He wants what is good because it is good -but how he might "feel" that I do not know.

Personally, I find that emotions are not as confusing as the external senses -especially the sense of smell.
It is one thing to be able to identify certain substances or combinations logically, but the experience of smelling is far beyond that.
Even a complete explanation of how it happens just wouldn't be enough -as the experience is so much more than logical.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Feeling is sensing. When we feel an emotion, it is because we have sensed/acknowledged something about a real or imagined situation.
Our mind processes/reacts to the information, our body senses the state of the mind and responds by making changes necessary to deal with the situation mentally (by releasing chemicals which cause us to "feel" joy, sorrow, anger, etc.) or physically (such as releasing adrenaline) -and our mind then logically senses the state of our body.

As God (the God of the bible) is able to choose his form, it may be that he has caused himself to likewise be able to "feel" by some system of feedback loops -but the sensations would still be based on logic.
He wants what is good because it is good -but how he might "feel" that I do not know.

Personally, I find that emotions are not as confusing as the external senses -especially the sense of smell.
It is one thing to be able to identify certain substances or combinations logically, but the experience of smelling is far beyond that.
Even a complete explanation of how it happens just wouldn't be enough -as the experience is so much more than logical.

Yeah. It always puzzled me. Like. I know and feel my grandmothers emotions (hers rather than mine as a reflection of hers) because I know her in person. My other grandma not so much. The spirits (ancestors and earth) not really because they are spirits they arent people who can smell, taste, and feel sensations (tactile).

So, I can assume how the spirits may feel. I can interact with them and say "thry feel X because my response was related to X" but those are highly personalized assumptions. Logically, I dont know my ancestors on a person basis because I wasnt born.

Likewise, how can any believer quote how god feels since he, like my ancestors, are not present (physically) ans the only way we know about them is either through sacred text or in my case wise tales from my family and census records.

Its personal, yes. However, to use those specific words "feel", love, anger, jeleousy, etc goes beyond our own spiritual sensations. Its defining the emotions of a spirjt of someone we only know y everything but by actual experience.

Like falling in love with someone you never met over seas. You known each other for yeara. She sends you letters. Then she passes away. You can associate feelings to her when she was alive because she had a body, but to use those same words for a spirit (different nature) is like using a spoon to cut a pizza.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Yeah. It always puzzled me. Like. I know and feel my grandmothers emotions (hers rather than mine as a reflection of hers) because I know her in person. My other grandma not so much. The spirits (ancestors and earth) not really because they are spirits they arent people who can smell, taste, and feel sensations (tactile).

So, I can assume how the spirits may feel. I can interact with them and say "thry feel X because my response was related to X" but those are highly personalized assumptions. Logically, I dont know my ancestors on a person basis because I wasnt born.

Likewise, how can any believer quote how god feels since he, like my ancestors, are not present (physically) ans the only way we know about them is either through sacred text or in my case wise tales from my family and census records.

Its personal, yes. However, to use those specific words "feel", love, anger, jeleousy, etc goes beyond our own spiritual sensations. Its defining the emotions of a spirjt of someone we only know y everything but by actual experience.

Like falling in love with someone you never met over seas. You known each other for yeara. She sends you letters. Then she passes away. You can associate feelings to her when she was alive because she had a body, but to use those same words for a spirit (different nature) is like using a spoon to cut a pizza.

I believe that when we become spirits, we still have a "body" -but a different and better one -powerful and invulnerable....
Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
...and also that we are made in the image and likeness of God, so we can somewhat understand -by considering our own experience, composition and function -how God might "feel".

The Word -who became flesh as Christ -also did so in order to experience things as we do -in order to more effectively intercede on our behalf.
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
 

GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
If you have a cat, do you get jealous if it makes a fuss of some-one else? Why then should one god get jealous if you pray to another?
 

SSDSSDSSD3

The Great Sea Under!
Vaheguru doesn't get jealous, he has everything and gives everything to all; so who should he be jealous of? (Nobody). A jealous god is a false or weak god; as the true God must be stronger than man and gives to man, over receiving from man.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
If you have a cat, do you get jealous if it makes a fuss of some-one else? Why then should one god get jealous if you pray to another?

Because God has no equal -and it is logical that no other be considered as his equal...it simply is not possible -and God is jealous FOR us -not OF another. If God is not acknowledged as God -as the foundation of all things, then one does not see correctly -and harm will come to them due to their lack of vision. Order and righteous government must ultimately proceed from him.
God does not have a cat -God made the cat. He is the source of understanding of the cat -for knowledge of the needs of the cat.
God does not want to keep the cat all to himself -God wants to keep the cat from any harm due to evil intent, ignorance, etc.

Not everyone is nice to kitties or knows how to take care of kitties. God has no problem with people being nice to kitties and treating them well -because they will essentially be aligned with him, as he knows what is best for kitties.

:)
 
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firedragon

Veteran Member
Seriously. How

I know it written it scripture.

Does the Quran say that god displays emotions?

Is it like something you feel?
How do you differientate that emotion from say anger?
Do you get a sensation and conclude its from god?

Pagans.

Does your gods express emotions you can pick up?

Unlike above, when we experience our deities (or spirits) we have no cross reference book. We just know.

To not single out Christians, Jews, and Muslims, I wonder if the general sense of how you know what your deities feel is thr same as CJMs.

We arent aliens to each other so we cant all be that different just because our faiths differ.

Jealous is not in the English context.

Nevertheless, it means that God does not like you worshiping models of God. In the bible its quoted verbatim as Jealous, but the connotation is not as we understand by looking at it.

Quran does not quote him as jealous.

See God is the "planner", if you want to think wrong of that word, you will see it in that light. God is the plotter or schemer, now even that sounds like a bad term.

Its the way we look at it.

Cheers.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
He expresses viligence through you and not on his own or as his own personality separate from you?
I think that is a good question! It is a partnership. Zephaniah 3:9
I do not know if God has a "personality separate from" me. My guess is yes but I am me and God is god. Just like many other people that I have heard on the forum, I have experienced The God in my life but I can't say god has much of a personality. Maybe. I think God likes a good joke.
I think of God as a father. A father feels for his children, I am sure.
Saying, "I am a jealous god" (Exodus 20:5) means that God leads and there can be just one leader imho. I have to go the way of God or God will have jealousy towards me. Not a good thing.
I agree with @Etritonakin, The way I see it is God is jealous for God's people not of anyone.
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Jealous is not in the English context.

Nevertheless, it means that God does not like you worshiping models of God. In the bible its quoted verbatim as Jealous, but the connotation is not as we understand by looking at it.

Quran does not quote him as jealous.

See God is the "planner", if you want to think wrong of that word, you will see it in that light. God is the plotter or schemer, now even that sounds like a bad term.

Its the way we look at it.

Cheers.


Thank you.. I guess my full point is how can god do and experience really anything. Its like saying "the spirits [that I believe in] are jogging to the store and they got tired on the way there."

I can only think of it as metaphors of how people feel god speaks to them. I mean, the spirits dont interact with me unless I interact with them. Through our interactions, thats how know they are real. However, if I felt annoyance over what the spirits communicated with me, Id already know spirits have no bodies. They cant feel. So Id attribute that feeling adn their communication as mine (mediumship).

I cant think of it any other way in regards to spirits god or otherwise.

Does that make sense?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I think that is a good question! It is a partnership. Zephaniah 3:9
I do not know if God has a "personality separate from" me. My guess is yes but I am me and God is god. Just like many other people that I have heard on the forum, I have experienced The God in my life but I can't say god has much of a personality. Maybe. I think God likes a good joke.
I think of God as a father. A father feels for his children, I am sure.
Saying, "I am a jealous god" (Exodus 20:5) means that God leads and there can be just one leader imho. I have to go the way of God or God will have jealousy towards me. Not a good thing.
I agree with @Etritonakin, The way I see it is God is jealous for God's people not of anyone.

Do you see god as an experience?

If so, is it a sense that he is your father or do you impersonalize the bible as his voice rather than having a voice of his own (separate from the bible)?

Post #18 is kinda wher Im getting at.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Do you see god as an experience?
Yes. Before I had a profound experience I had not yet had any personal interaction with the god.

If so, is it a sense that he is your father or do you impersonalize the bible as his voice rather than having a voice of his own (separate from the bible)?
Do you mean personalize? My vision of God is not of the Bible. I might agree with some posters here that other holy texts speak of the same God. I do not know other holy texts so I can't say. The Bible is a help, but not a complete picture.

Post #18 is kinda wher Im getting at.
It sounds like you are split. "They are real" but the only way they are real is in your imagination.
It is possible the God I believe is in my imagination only but if I had to bet I would say God is before me, not of me.
 
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