How embarrassed and shameful would Biden and the Democrats be if a felon beat them in the election for POTUS?

[Wirey]

I vote NDP

I live in Alberta and vote for whomever represents me the best. Right now it's no one, but I'll probably vote either Conservative or Liberal, depending on how the run up to the election goes. The federal NDP are too, I don't know, filled with an overweening sense of their own self-worth. I wouldn't trust them to govern.

 

[Stonetree]

Yes, our Prime Minister has been caught multiple times in blackface, and the left for some reason has given him a pass.

You'd be happy if we sent only the Yankees..!

 

[Stonetree]

@Pogo ,speaking of venue, the 'Trump Documents' will be tried in Florida.

 

[fantome profane]

I live in Alberta and vote for whomever represents me the best. Right now it's no one, but I'll probably vote either Conservative or Liberal, depending on how the run up to the election goes. The federal NDP are too, I don't know, filled with an overweening sense of their own self-worth. I wouldn't trust them to govern.

Of course I do the same thing, but I live in Hamilton Ontario. The NDP do a good job for me, usually. One thing I like about our system as opposed to the U.S. system is that you can vote for a third party and maybe even elect a third party MP, and will have some political power and influence. The NDP might not form the government federally, but I like it when they have more seats.

 

[Pogo]

We did that once -- successfully, as it happens. (Probably as much a surprise to us as to you. )

Of course. It's colder up here, but we're all still pretty much human -- just furrier. And our politics, for good or ill, are infinitely less operatic than yours. I mean, when your highest aspiration is to POGG (Peace, Order and Good Government), one ought not expect a lot of drama.

Colder, you guys call 32 deg 0, no wonder you think it's colder and you inflate your distance measurements too,
Or is it that we promised to change in 1975 and then chickened out because of the resurgent underbelly that thinks

The ironic thing about it was that, after Watergate and Ford's pardoning of Nixon, much of the public was pretty miffed at the Republicans. The Democrats had an opportunity to capitalize on the situation. In 1976, Reagan was considered a ridiculous joke, just a senile and dumbed-down version of Nixon.



I thought Carter was a decent President, but perhaps too decent for the Washington crowd. What was even more disappointing is that many Democrats went against him and made his presidency so much more difficult, even though Democrats controlled both houses of Congress. The Democrats were in the catbird seat, and then self-destructed all on their own. The turmoil in Iran and the Shah was definitely completely botched by the Administration, along with the embassy hostage crisis and the failed rescue mission. Ted Kennedy threw Carter under the bus and wrecked the Democrats' chances in 1980.

The Iranians pulled off a major coup in causing a resurgence in American warmongering. After Vietnam, Americans were more and more focused on peace and global responsibility, but thanks to the Iranians, who played right into Reagan's hands, they put Reagan in the White House and started a new era in American militarism and imperialism. The Iranians made war cool again in the eyes of millions of Americans. After that point, the peace movement was associated with weakness, cowardice, and wimpiness. Michael Dukakis tried to counter those criticisms by showing that he's tough, by riding in a tank.

Clinton also had a golden opportunity in 1992 to make a real difference, both in domestic policy and in foreign policy, but instead, he chose to support NAFTA and free trade, and continue the status quo of US foreign policy - even though the Soviet Union had disbanded and the Cold War was over. Clinton clearly did not understand the outside world, and he totally botched US foreign policy and US trade policy. 9/11 could also be indirectly blamed on Clinton's incompetence, since the hijackers entered America under Clinton's watch. But his record showed that he was a warmonger just the same, yet too incompetent to defend American territory or America's interests. That seamlessly segued into Bush's presidency, which seamlessly segued into Obama's presidency. Absolutely no change in policy for those three two-term Presidents, who should probably be known as the "Three Stooges." Clinton and Bush were interchangeable, and Obama was merely Bush Lite. We could have had no President and just let the government run on automatic and gotten the same result.





My main frustration at this point is that no one can even see it. Democrats still seem to think that they can do no wrong. They won't admit that any of the policies have been flawed. They won't admit that they've been out of touch with the needs of the people. They think that they're above reproach, perfect and flawless, and they spew venom at anyone who thinks they're not (as we've already seen in some of the comments in this thread).

Republicans can't admit to flawed policies either, and Carter wasn't the one to inspire major change in response to global changes even if he was good about mending post Vietnam hurt and probably understood the potential problems and so we got Reagan and populism and we are still suffering from confusion over actual useful cost effective and productive policies. You are way more of a historian than I am, but I just see chaos and petty BS on the horizon till global warming wacks us in the face hard enough to actually force a change.

 

[Stonetree]

Colder, you guys call 32 deg 0, no wonder you think it's colder and you inflate your distance measurements too,
Or is it that we promised to change in 1975 and then chickened out because of the resurgent underbelly that thinks

Republicans can't admit to flawed policies either, and Carter wasn't the one to inspire major change in response to global changes even if he was good about mending post Vietnam hurt and probably understood the potential problems and so we got Reagan and populism and we are still suffering from confusion over actual useful cost effective and productive policies. You are way more of a historian than I am, but I just see chaos and petty BS on the horizon till global warming wacks us in the face hard enough to actually force a change.

@Stevicus ....Carter was put down as a loser......Yet, check his entire resume. Few have done more for their country and for the world.IMO

 

[Pogo]

@Pogo ,speaking of venue, the 'Trump Documents' will be tried in Florida.

Yes, the offense of illegally retained documents primarily relates to their storage at Trump south so that is the jurisdiction.
It is unfortunate that one of Trumps least qualified appointees was posted there and drew the case, but as for a jury, so long as they are honest Americans, justice will eventually be served.

To that point, the difference in vitriol regarding Aileen Cannon (I had to look up her name) and Juan Merchan is indicative of the absurdity of
Trumps claims of judicial malfeasance,

 

[Pogo]

@ Stevicus....Carter was put down as a loser......Yet, check his entire resume. Few have done more for their country and for the world.IMO

So we can go back to nice guys finish last but that aphorism doesn't really help us much right now any more than Bernie stickers do.

 

[Stevicus]

Colder, you guys call 32 deg 0, no wonder you think it's colder and you inflate your distance measurements too,
Or is it that we promised to change in 1975 and then chickened out because of the resurgent underbelly that thinks

Republicans can't admit to flawed policies either, and Carter wasn't the one to inspire major change in response to global changes even if he was good about mending post Vietnam hurt and probably understood the potential problems and so we got Reagan and populism and we are still suffering from confusion over actual useful cost effective and productive policies. You are way more of a historian than I am, but I just see chaos and petty BS on the horizon till global warming wacks us in the face hard enough to actually force a change.

One thing I will say about Clinton at least he paid some mind to the people when he said "I feel your pain." We haven't heard stuff like that from the Democrats in a long time. Instead, we get "basket of deplorables" and other sniping remarks against the common people and not the top 1%. The problem is never with the people. If the people are being misled, that's the fault of the elite: government, politics, media, academia, corporate America, etc.

One rule of thumb to follow: Never attack the common people, and always attack the people in power.

 

[Stonetree]

So we can go back to nice guys finish last but that aphorism doesn't really help us much right now any more than Bernie stickers do.

That post was not meant for you....my mistake

 

[Pogo]

Of course I do the same thing, but I live in Hamilton Ontario. The NDP do a good job for me, usually. One thing I like about our system as opposed to the U.S. system is that you can vote for a third party and maybe even elect a third party MP, and will have some political power and influence. The NDP might not form the government federally, but I like it when they have more seats.

Yes the two party system that the Constitution ultimate devolves to is a disaster in terms of proportionate representation, but that error is very deeply embedded, best hope at present is ranked choice voting which does not require a constitutional amendment and will center the system, and elimination of the electoral college.

 

[Pogo]

That post was not meant for you....my mistake

wondered

 

[Stonetree]

So we can go back to nice guys finish last but that aphorism doesn't really help us much right now any more than Bernie stickers do.

The only things we always had.....a vote...and a soapbox.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So what is one more?
What a self defeating attitude.

@Twilight Hue vacillates between complaining that the rich are never punished for their crimes and complaining about Trump being punished for his crimes. He knows that supporting Trump is wrong but he cannot get over that TDS. The cult of Trump is exceedingly strong.

 

[Stonetree]

Yes, the offense of illegally retained documents primarily relates to their storage at Trump south so that is the jurisdiction.
It is unfortunate that one of Trumps least qualified appointees was posted there and drew the case, but as for a jury, so long as they are honest Americans, justice will eventually be served.

To that point, the difference in vitriol regarding Aileen Cannon (I had to look up her name) and Juan Merchan is indicative of the absurdity of
Trumps claims of judicial malfeasance,

She's inventing her own dance steps.......That might bite her in the behind..

 

[Pogo]

@Twilight Hue vacillates between complaining that the rich are never punished for their crimes and complaining about Trump being punished for his crimes. He knows that supporting Trump is wrong but he cannot get over that TDS. The cult of Trump is exceedingly strong.

It is just total avoidance, not enough of global warming to make a decision, maybe trump;'s appeal, maybe the rainbow will land and how ever many other issues to avoid. nuff said. his husband must be a real controlling character.

 

[England my lionheart]

How embarrassed and shameful would Biden and the Democrats be if a felon beat them in the election for POTUS?

I think America is just embarrassed that a sex pest candidate for Potus is enough embarrassment for anyone.

 

[Pogo]

I think America is just embarrassed that a sex pest candidate for Potus is enough embarrassment for anyone.

Apparently not for everybody but neither was is friend Bo Jo.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Colder, you guys call 32 deg 0, no wonder you think it's colder

Of course, you guys think you're all hot and bothered by a mere 45 degrees, which you call 113, in order to make it sound so much more dramatic. Yawn!

 

[Pogo]

She's inventing her own dance steps.......That might bite her in the behind..

She has already guaranteed herself a sinecure with a well to do portion of the right wing just by delaying the trial past the election.
Not that she will ever be remembered as any sort of a judicial light.


And I suppose a Zombie walk could be considered a dance.