How embarrassed and shameful would Biden and the Democrats be if a felon beat them in the election for POTUS?

[F1fan]

How embarrassed and shameful would Biden and the Democrats be if a felon beat them in the election for POTUS?

Democrats can’t be embarrassed for the poor judgment of the minority of voters. Trump won’t win the popular vote, for the third time, but he could win a narrow majority in 3-5 swing states, which is all it takes.

The electoral college is what would allow Trump a second win, just like the first time.

 

[Pogo]

Well actually I was just stating the facts as they stand.

No, you were using a whataboutism argument to avoid dealing with the subject. You could call it derailing, but that doesn't reflect that much better on you.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

How embarrassed and shameful would Biden and the Democrats be if a felon beat them in the election for POTUS?

A much better poll question would ask, "how embarrassed and ashamed should the American electorate be if a felon won the White House?"

 

[Tamino]

How embarrassed and shameful would Biden and the Democrats be if a felon beat them in the election for POTUS?

The ones who should be embarrassed are those who vote for the felon, not those who stand against him.

 

[Koldo]

How embarrassed and shameful would Biden and the Democrats be if a felon beat them in the election for POTUS?

Basket of deplorables.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Democrats can’t be embarrassed for the poor judgment of the minority of voters. Trump won’t win the popular vote, for the third time, but he could win a narrow majority in 3-5 swing states, which is all it takes.

The electoral college is what would allow Trump a second win, just like the first time.

It is a stunning thing, to me, that the President of the United States is routinely elected by a very few voters, in a very few states -- and not even among the largest states, at that. The idea, to other democracies around the world, seems quite silly. The Electoral College may have served a purpose once, but that purpose is long since past its best before date. U.S. Congress persons are elected by simple majority in the electoral districts. U.S. Senators are elected by majorities in each state. There is no longer a reason why the U.S. President shouldn't be elected by a majority across the nation.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No, you were using a whataboutism argument to avoid dealing with the subject. You could call it derailing, but that doesn't reflect that much better on you.

Sorry. Not the case.

 

[Wirey]

How embarrassed and shameful would Biden and the Democrats be if a felon beat them in the election for POTUS?

This is actually a good question. Does anyone remember the old SNL skit where Dana Carvey is playing Bush Sr., and John Lovitz is Michael Dukakis at the debate? After a long, rambling, pointless speech by Bush (a thousand points of light about 20 times), Dukakis is given a chance to speak and exclaims "I can't believe I'm losing to this guy!"

If the democratic party can't put forward a candidate who can beat a treasonous convicted felon with a history of narcissism and no concept of duty or truth, they should be embarrassed. Very, very embarrassed. I'm not a Trump fan in any way, but if your guy looks worse than him to over half the country, that's 100% on you.

 

[Kathryn]

So far 70 percent think that at the worst, Biden and crew would be apathetic. The vast majority think he would not be embarrassed at all.

 

[libre]

A much better poll question would ask, "how embarrassed and ashamed should the American electorate be if a felon won the White House?"

Eh, I know a couple who would make a fine alternative to the present candidates.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Eh, I know a couple who would make a fine alternative to the present candidates.

I'm sure that's very nice, but as they're not running, it changes nothing. I know people I think would be very fine leaders in my own country, but if they choose not to play, so what?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I voted somewhat. Democrats have always struggled with being tenacious about the actual good their political positions and policy does for the public, and especially how in the last 8 years they have been an effective block for some of the malicious legislation Conservatives could be putting out there.

On the other hand, the Republican party has to be ashamed and embarrassed they once again are being grifted by Donald Trump.

 

[McBell]

How embarrassed and shameful would Biden and the Democrats be if a felon beat them in the election for POTUS?

Popular Vote or Electoral College?

 

[Twilight Hue]

A much better poll question would ask, "how embarrassed and ashamed should the American electorate be if a felon won the White House?"

Actually just what constitutes a felony?

Somebody just making it one just for the hell of it?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Actually just what constitutes a felony?

Somebody just making it one just for the hell of it?

Ummm...I'm a Canadian, you're a New Yorker -- and you're asking me to figure out how your laws work for you?

(I know our conversational history shows that I am indeed better informed than you on the subject, I really think it's time you found out for yourself.)

 

[Pogo]

This is actually a good question. Does anyone remember the old SNL skit where Dana Carvey is playing Bush Sr., and John Lovitz is Michael Dukakis at the debate? After a long, rambling, pointless speech by Bush (a thousand points of light about 20 times), Dukakis is given a chance to speak and exclaims "I can't believe I'm losing to this guy!"

If the democratic party can't put forward a candidate who can beat a treasonous convicted felon with a history of narcissism and no concept of duty or truth, they should be embarrassed. Very, very embarrassed. I'm not a Trump fan in any way, but if your guy looks worse than him to over half the country, that's 100% on you.

Can you do us a favor and invade, I promise not to resist.


That said, you guys have your political question marks as well.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Can you do us a favor and invade, I promise not to resist.

We did that once -- successfully, as it happens. (Probably as much a surprise to us as to you. )

That said, you guys have your political question marks as well.

Of course. It's colder up here, but we're all still pretty much human -- just furrier. And our politics, for good or ill, are infinitely less operatic than yours. I mean, when your highest aspiration is to POGG (Peace, Order and Good Government), one ought not expect a lot of drama.

 

[Wirey]

Can you do us a favor and invade, I promise not to resist.


That said, you guys have your political question marks as well.

Yes, our Prime Minister has been caught multiple times in blackface, and the left for some reason has given him a pass.

 

[Stevicus]

Ok, I'll agree that the democratic party has shifted right to account for their string of losses, I don't think the heart has changed but as with the current cycle the problem is in figuring out how to get the electorate to vote in their own best interests instead of this gift to the rich economics that has brought us to our deficit problem and the cultural fear of loss of power by various groups who selfishly think only of themselves and how good they "remember" it being.

The ironic thing about it was that, after Watergate and Ford's pardoning of Nixon, much of the public was pretty miffed at the Republicans. The Democrats had an opportunity to capitalize on the situation. In 1976, Reagan was considered a ridiculous joke, just a senile and dumbed-down version of Nixon.

Yes we need another FDR or JFK charismatic to bring a focus. Carter got beat by OPEC and our sense of entitlement that had led to our loss of focus on industrial progress, Clinton was a necessary appeaser and Obama was black which was a great rallying cry for the fear-mongers and their propaganda. Biden is a good caretaker and needed after trump.

I thought Carter was a decent President, but perhaps too decent for the Washington crowd. What was even more disappointing is that many Democrats went against him and made his presidency so much more difficult, even though Democrats controlled both houses of Congress. The Democrats were in the catbird seat, and then self-destructed all on their own. The turmoil in Iran and the Shah was definitely completely botched by the Administration, along with the embassy hostage crisis and the failed rescue mission. Ted Kennedy threw Carter under the bus and wrecked the Democrats' chances in 1980.

The Iranians pulled off a major coup in causing a resurgence in American warmongering. After Vietnam, Americans were more and more focused on peace and global responsibility, but thanks to the Iranians, who played right into Reagan's hands, they put Reagan in the White House and started a new era in American militarism and imperialism. The Iranians made war cool again in the eyes of millions of Americans. After that point, the peace movement was associated with weakness, cowardice, and wimpiness. Michael Dukakis tried to counter those criticisms by showing that he's tough, by riding in a tank.

Clinton also had a golden opportunity in 1992 to make a real difference, both in domestic policy and in foreign policy, but instead, he chose to support NAFTA and free trade, and continue the status quo of US foreign policy - even though the Soviet Union had disbanded and the Cold War was over. Clinton clearly did not understand the outside world, and he totally botched US foreign policy and US trade policy. 9/11 could also be indirectly blamed on Clinton's incompetence, since the hijackers entered America under Clinton's watch. But his record showed that he was a warmonger just the same, yet too incompetent to defend American territory or America's interests. That seamlessly segued into Bush's presidency, which seamlessly segued into Obama's presidency. Absolutely no change in policy for those three two-term Presidents, who should probably be known as the "Three Stooges." Clinton and Bush were interchangeable, and Obama was merely Bush Lite. We could have had no President and just let the government run on automatic and gotten the same result.

It is not just our problem though demagoguery is powerful to persons who feel ignored and seems an easy solution to those who have become complaisant and once demagogues are in power, they are hard to remove.

Whatever the line is that a lie can travel a mile while the truth is getting its boots on it too true.

I think we ultimately agree, we just were looking at different facets.

My main frustration at this point is that no one can even see it. Democrats still seem to think that they can do no wrong. They won't admit that any of the policies have been flawed. They won't admit that they've been out of touch with the needs of the people. They think that they're above reproach, perfect and flawless, and they spew venom at anyone who thinks they're not (as we've already seen in some of the comments in this thread).

 

[fantome profane]

Yes, our Prime Minister has been caught multiple times in blackface, and the left for some reason has given him a pass.

I vote NDP