How God is not loving

[djhwoodwerks]

There must exist harmony between the healer, God and the one needing healing.
If the one needing healing doubts God, love can't heal that person who doubts.

Acts 3:3-6 (ESV Strong's) 3 Seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple, he asked to receive alms. 4 And Peter directed his gaze at him, as did John, and said, “Look at us.” 5 And he fixed his attention on them, expecting to receive something from them. 6 But Peter said, “I have no silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk!”

Was the beggar in harmony with Peter, John and God? He thought they were going to give him money.

 

[savagewind]

Come on now, if "being loved" doesn't heal, what love heals?

To love and to be loved are different.
You can love someone, but if that someone does not also have love, the healing will not happen.

 

[savagewind]

Acts 3:3-6 (ESV Strong's) 3 Seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple, he asked to receive alms. 4 And Peter directed his gaze at him, as did John, and said, “Look at us.” 5 And he fixed his attention on them, expecting to receive something from them. 6 But Peter said, “I have no silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk!”

Was the beggar in harmony with Peter, John and God? He thought they were going to give him money.

OK, because you know the whole story. A person can think two things, or three or four, maybe some people can think even more.....
Just because he thought he might get money does not mean he didn't believe in the power of God also.

 

[viole]

I will reiterate my point one last time in this topic. It is a much more brief topic. Therefore, it is bound to have more replies rather than people ignoring it. So this is my last topic in which this point will be made. I hear people say that suffering is inflicted upon us for our own personal growth and development.

But imagine if I went up to someone innocent, inflicted unimaginable mental pain and suffering upon him/her, and then said to him/her:

"I know, it's hard. But life was never meant to be easy. You mere meant to suffer. Life is a hard school for our learning, growing, and developing."

Imagine if I said that while this person was going insane, screaming, suicidal, and begging to be put out of his/her misery.

That loathsome, cruel, careless abomination that would be me could easily represent who God is as well. So as you can clearly see here, God is not the loving caring God many people make Him out to be.

That is, if there really is a God. There might not even be a God, afterlife, or anything paranormal. The natural world might really be all there is. I just find myself enraged with people who somehow think that this would be a loving and caring God.

If this God actually existed, I would choose to destroy Him off the face of this universe once and for all.

Suppose a man submits his own son, an innocent, to the most cruel tortures and death so that a rapist can go free of charges, if he repents and accepts that sacrifice.

Who, in the audience, would call that a loving moral father?

Ciao

- viole

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Suppose a man submits his own son, an innocent, to the most cruel tortures and death so that a rapist can go free of charges, if he repents and accepts that sacrifice.

Who, in the audience, would call that a loving moral father?

Ciao

- viole

I would call that father a coward!

Some people believe that one Father created a spiritual being to 'play the role' of His son, to be tortured and die.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

You can love someone, but if that someone does not also have love, the healing will not happen.

Oh, I think I see, the requirement is, one has to love and be loved to get healed?

 

[viole]

I would call that father a coward!

Some people believe that one Father created a spiritual being to 'play the role' of His son, to be tortured and die.

And? Is that moral? Or is the fact of this son to be spiritual reduces the level of sacrifice involved?

Thinking about it, staying dead for just a couple of days, in order to return as the ruler of the Universe, and expecting to end like that, does not seem like a sacrifice at all.

So, maybe you have a point.

Ciao

- viole

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Yes, Please ask God for better attention. I was talking about the gifts in men.

Where do you get, "gifts in men" at?

 

[savagewind]

Where do you get, "gifts in men" at?

Ephesians 4:8

 

[djhwoodwerks]

And? Is that moral? Or is the fact of this son to be spiritual reduces the level of sacrifice involved?

After all, staying dead for just a couple of days, in order to return as the ruler of the Universe, and expecting to end like that, does not seem like a sacrifice at all.

So, maybe you have a point.

Ciao

- viole

I'm saying, I don't believe God sent a son, I don't believe God created a spirit being to come down and pose as His Son. I believe that God came Himself, and suffered Himself and died Himself (the flesh and blood body).

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Ephesians 4:8

Ephesians 4:8 (ESV Strong's) 8 Therefore it says, “When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.”

Where do you get, "gifts IN men"?

 

[viole]

I'm saying, I don't believe God sent a son, I don't believe God created a spirit being to come down and pose as His Son. I believe that God came Himself, and suffered Himself and died Himself (the flesh and blood body).

Well, that is not moral either. Dying and suffering in lieu of criminals, is not something our justice system would consider acceptable. Not in the slightest. No matter how much you want to do that.

But this all thing does not make such sense. God surely knew that He was not really sacrificing Himself. He must have known that this was just temporary. Better not leave that white throne unoccupied for too long.

So, was getting a nervous system in order to appreciate the pain of a few lashes and a weekend off as dead, really what washed the Universe from sin and pain?

Ciao

- viole

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Ephesians 4:8

(καὶ) ἔδωκεν δόματα τοῖς ἀνθρώποις
and gave gifts to men

 

[Tabu]

So God is an absentee landlord.

This is the correct explanation according to our spiritual study , after handing over the property to the souls with the greatest denominations, and imprinting the instructions manual on souls, and taking a pledge from them, He comes back only at the time of settlement ,that's why many religions call Him Transcended . He comes back to recharge the souls when their power levels have dropped to a critical low, to renew the elements after they have been thoroughly polluted , to renew the world .

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Well, that is not moral either. Dying and suffering in lieu of criminals, is not something our justice system would consider acceptable. Not in the slightest. No matter how much you want to do that.

But this all thing does not make such sense. God surely knew that He was not really sacrificing Himself. He must have known that this was just temporary. Better not leave that white throne unoccupied for too long.

So, was getting a nervous system in order to appreciate the pain of a few lashes and a weekend off as dead, really what washed the Universe from sin and pain?

Ciao

- viole

We're not talking about "OUR" justice system now, are we?

Our lives are temporary, aren't they?

No, living a sinless life and shedding His blood was what washed the world from sin.

 

[savagewind]

Ephesians 4:8 (ESV Strong's) 8 Therefore it says, “When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.”

Where do you get, "gifts IN men"?

I learned it from the New World Translation Bible of the Jehovah's Witnesses. If you have been paying any kind of attention at all you would realize that they are the ones who taught me the Bible.

8 For it says: “When he ascended on high he carried away captives; he gave gifts in men.”+

 

[viole]

We're not talking about "OUR" justice system now, are we?

Our lives are temporary, aren't they?

No, living a sinless life and shedding His blood was what washed the world from sin.

Yes, but that was not so impressive, was it? I mean, I know people that went through what was probably the same amount of pain just to get new teeth.

Everybody would be ready to do that if she was God and full in control on when and how to come back in full glory.

Wouldn't you?

Ciao

- viole

 

[savagewind]

(καὶ) ἔδωκεν δόματα τοῖς ἀνθρώποις
and gave gifts to men

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http://biblehub.com/greek/3588.htm

It looks like it says simply, "gifts of men".

 

[djhwoodwerks]

So God is an absentee landlord.

Say you have a large plot of land, great for growing crops. You know exactly what would grow on it and the very best way to grow it.You bring in a family and lease the land to them, and give them complete authority over the land to grow whatever they will. You give them a book of instructions that you know would work well for their success. If they choose not to use your instructions, and they keep failing, are you going to go in and do it for them? Or, would you say, 'I gave them the instructions on what to do to prosper, if they choose not to use them, it's on them and I'll clean it up when the lease is up"?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I know people that went through what was probably the same amount of pain just to get new teeth.

Really? The pain of getting new teeth can be compared to having you flesh ripped and torn? Having a crown of thorns forced on your head? Having nails driven into your hands and feet? Did these people you know opt out of the novocain or nitrous?