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How is faith a virtuous and reasonable attribute?

AllanV

Active Member
Your god doesn't exist.
There are many gods who do not exist but the God that drew me to Him makes everything that is seen appear at every instant. The Eternal God wears light as a garment. God is an energizing Spirit.
With the correct nature God will energize the love in it.
God will energize the divine nature. The Love in this nature is in the heart area of the chest and is exquisite and the mind is awareness only and thoughts come from another mind.

All stray bad thoughts with imaginations, bad memories are gone the mind is cleaned and the self is purified.
 
There are many gods who do not exist but the God that drew me to Him makes everything that is seen appear at every instant. The Eternal God wears light as a garment. God is an energizing Spirit.
With the correct nature God will energize the love in it.
God will energize the divine nature. The Love in this nature is in the heart area of the chest and is exquisite and the mind is awareness only and thoughts come from another mind.

All stray bad thoughts with imaginations, bad memories are gone the mind is cleaned and the self is purified.

Let me rephrase that, your god does not exist outside your imagination.
 

AllanV

Active Member
Unless this same belief motivates you to fly a plane into a building for example. You have yet to substantiate your claims that YOUR invisible god can and does grant immortality to the chosen. Where are all these immortal people at?

Do you do evil deeds or are they all good? What motivates you?
There are indications from what has been experienced and then read in scriptures.
I can understand something like a technology that is able to produce a field of energy where individuals can regenerate a form forever.
The earth has an energy now and we have life but it is biological, mutates, and is predatory and it dies.
But another energy could regenerate just as easily as one that doesn't.
 
Do you do evil deeds or are they all good? What motivates you?
There are indications from what has been experienced and then read in scriptures.
I can understand something like a technology that is able to produce a field of energy where individuals can regenerate a form forever.
The earth has an energy now and we have life but it is biological, mutates, and is predatory and it dies.
But another energy could regenerate just as easily as one that doesn't.

When you can produce this energy let me know.
 

AllanV

Active Member
When you can produce this energy let me know.
What I have been saying all along, it is here already. But not many are able to see it. It is in the background. What use would the ultimate technology be if the mind of a biological form is unable to change with it.
 
What I have been saying all along, it is here already. But not many are able to see it. It is in the background. What use would the ultimate technology be if the mind of a biological form is unable to change with it.

I'm able to see it but I'm pretty sure you don't.
 

AllanV

Active Member
Let me rephrase that, your god does not exist outside your imagination.

What does your imagination do for you?

2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

By genetics and hereditary line something now stands in the place of God in the mind.
What comes into your thoughts, what feelings do you have, how do you behave. What is your personality like, could it be improved? Impulsive reactions and words spoken in conversation. If you are strong minded what is it where does that power of mind come from?
It all must go. How does that happen?

Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
 

AllanV

Active Member
Plenty, why?
From this it sounds like god wants mindlessly obedient robots that don't think for themselves. Have fun with that.

The natural mind is mindless in the sense of all the automatic things that go on in impulses and behaviors. Observe your life and others.

2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Adam has a consciousness and that is in all mankind. The mind we have from Adam, genetic and hereditary with learned responses and reactions is in action now. The mind will automatically put energy on the words in the way they are spoken to get the best affect and response. Conflict is usually at the end of it all when mind power isn't enough.

Humans are ruled in the mind and their will is hijacked to do what they do. The predatory biology with the natural senses satisfies what is required for survival but the mind takes it one step further because it has an ego. This is what makes people tired because it tends to deplete and this can happen to the point of sickness. A general Godlessness is behind cancer because God the life giver is able to overcome the mutations that are increasing through the generations.

Try not eating for a week or so, or any other bodily function. Try being subservient or let others bruise your ego or attempt to and the mind schemes so that it can win or at least be equal. You will not have to think because it is automatic and deep seated for the survival of your emotional equilibrium. Think about it. A lot of food is required to support brain activity and not much for exercise in comparison.

Jesus has a consciousness and that is in Christ and there is another nature apparent.
My mother said "you'll be a zombie if you do that". You must have something in common with her. She would twist and turn resisting but then get conned out of money or even her dignity or worse by some slippery individual. Her strong will was her undoing.

The mind and nature of Jesus takes over from the genetic line of Adam. From a corruptible biological form with impulsive actions and all manner of thoughts to one where there are no encumbering influences. The new mind is clean and free and the words have a gentleness attached to them and the over flowing spirit feeds to the inner parts of others. There is a regenerating power that displaces the degenerating one from self empowerment.

If a person is able to maintain and continue on there is a promise of immortality on a new earth. The planet is going to change and the predatory influences with oxidizing and decay with mutation and entropy will go. There will be no influences to drag the people back into a biology.
 
The natural mind is mindless in the sense of all the automatic things that go on in impulses and behaviors. Observe your life and others.

2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Adam has a consciousness and that is in all mankind. The mind we have from Adam, genetic and hereditary with learned responses and reactions is in action now. The mind will automatically put energy on the words in the way they are spoken to get the best affect and response. Conflict is usually at the end of it all when mind power isn't enough.

Humans are ruled in the mind and their will is hijacked to do what they do. The predatory biology with the natural senses satisfies what is required for survival but the mind takes it one step further because it has an ego. This is what makes people tired because it tends to deplete and this can happen to the point of sickness. A general Godlessness is behind cancer because God the life giver is able to overcome the mutations that are increasing through the generations.

Try not eating for a week or so, or any other bodily function. Try being subservient or let others bruise your ego or attempt to and the mind schemes so that it can win or at least be equal. You will not have to think because it is automatic and deep seated for the survival of your emotional equilibrium. Think about it. A lot of food is required to support brain activity and not much for exercise in comparison.

Jesus has a consciousness and that is in Christ and there is another nature apparent.
My mother said "you'll be a zombie if you do that". You must have something in common with her. She would twist and turn resisting but then get conned out of money or even her dignity or worse by some slippery individual. Her strong will was her undoing.

The mind and nature of Jesus takes over from the genetic line of Adam. From a corruptible biological form with impulsive actions and all manner of thoughts to one where there are no encumbering influences. The new mind is clean and free and the words have a gentleness attached to them and the over flowing spirit feeds to the inner parts of others. There is a regenerating power that displaces the degenerating one from self empowerment.

If a person is able to maintain and continue on there is a promise of immortality on a new earth. The planet is going to change and the predatory influences with oxidizing and decay with mutation and entropy will go. There will be no influences to drag the people back into a biology.

The problem with your belief system is that it depends on the same "supreme being" to make this awesome new world that failed to make an awesome world in the first place. If our current world is so horrible why did your god create the world to be so horrible? If a creator god created this world the way that it is then this is the way it is supposed to be. If not, then this creator god is incompetent or other gods/forces exist that have equal or more power to interfere with our creator god's creation. If something is going to remake creation into a new form why do you assume this being/force is even the original creator? Perhaps the original creator was evil and/or insane and a different being wishes to save us from our creator and make us into something better. That would make a lot more sense to me.
 

AllanV

Active Member
The problem with your belief system is that it depends on the same "supreme being" to make this awesome new world that failed to make an awesome world in the first place. If our current world is so horrible why did your god create the world to be so horrible? If a creator god created this world the way that it is then this is the way it is supposed to be. If not, then this creator god is incompetent or other gods/forces exist that have equal or more power to interfere with our creator god's creation. If something is going to remake creation into a new form why do you assume this being/force is even the original creator? Perhaps the original creator was evil and/or insane and a different being wishes to save us from our creator and make us into something better. That would make a lot more sense to me.

That's exactly it. The Eternal God will not impose and Lucifer opposed Him and this world we see now is Lucifer's creation. But Jesus has over come by resisting in a way humans cannot. He produced a nature different to Adams. But the offer is there if a person can over come and take up the divine nature God will energize the Love in it. The body will be regenerated, resurrected to immortality on a new earth without the predatory biology.
Any person who cannot belongs to Satan and could be lost.
 
That's exactly it. The Eternal God will not impose and Lucifer opposed Him and this world we see now is Lucifer's creation. But Jesus has over come by resisting in a way humans cannot. He produced a nature different to Adams. But the offer is there if a person can over come and take up the divine nature God will energize the Love in it. The body will be regenerated, resurrected to immortality on a new earth without the predatory biology.
Any person who cannot belongs to Satan and could be lost.

So your eternal god was powerless to stop satan from running amok?
 

AllanV

Active Member
So your eternal god was powerless to stop satan from running amok?
I can't remember how it is worded in the scriptures but God wants individuals as Sons of God to find the correct way. Those who make it, theoretically could do a lot of damage.

My own son caused a lot of problems in our household because we had our own minds to do things our own way but the house and property are mine.

Every one needs to be like minded with the same motivating factors. A bit like a beehive but each son will have his own hive. Jesus as Lord will have overall leadership. And God will energize everything seen into existence.
 
I can't remember how it is worded in the scriptures but God wants individuals as Sons of God to find the correct way. Those who make it, theoretically could do a lot of damage.

My own son caused a lot of problems in our household because we had our own minds to do things our own way but the house and property are mine.

Every one needs to be like minded with the same motivating factors. A bit like a beehive but each son will have his own hive. Jesus as Lord will have overall leadership. And God will energize everything seen into existence.

The Christian belief system will never make sense to me. God creates a bunch of beings who are inclined to be rebellious, violent, jerks when he wants obedient, peaceful, kind beings and then goes through an elaborate process to weed out those that don't met his approval before setting his creation up in the way he really wants it. Why would a creator god who is not insane do this when he could create his ideal universe on the first go around? Doesn't make any logical sense. To reconcile this most believers bring up free will but free will doesn't exist. The only decisions any being can make are limited by their capability to make decisions (brain activity/function) and what options are actually available to them (environment). A creator god would have complete control over both those factors. Therefore, no free will. Also, most believers would say god is loving, merciful, and kind when the world is obviously full of conflict and suffering which is blamed on humanity or other force like Satan. But Satan did not create humanities nervous system which is capable of feeling great pain, god did. Satan did not create disease, god did. Satan did not create a world with insufficient food and water to support human populations, god did. Reality does not mesh with the Christians loving and caring god figure. Jesus also taught that people that don't measure up will go to hell to be tortured. How does a being that claims to be merciful and good justify torturing people after they die. Wouldn't a truly merciful and good being simply let them stay dead? The only way to believe this stuff is to develop an attitude of active ignorance/denial "god works in mysterious ways, best not to question or think about it too much". Some people cannot function that way. Is it really their fault though? If a creator god exists he must have made them that way. Yea, the Christian belief system is too screwy for me to accept.
 

AllanV

Active Member
The Christian belief system will never make sense to me. God creates a bunch of beings who are inclined to be rebellious, violent, jerks when he wants obedient, peaceful, kind beings and then goes through an elaborate process to weed out those that don't met his approval before setting his creation up in the way he really wants it. Why would a creator god who is not insane do this when he could create his ideal universe on the first go around? Doesn't make any logical sense. To reconcile this most believers bring up free will but free will doesn't exist. The only decisions any being can make are limited by their capability to make decisions (brain activity/function) and what options are actually available to them (environment). A creator god would have complete control over both those factors. Therefore, no free will. Also, most believers would say god is loving, merciful, and kind when the world is obviously full of conflict and suffering which is blamed on humanity or other force like Satan. But Satan did not create humanities nervous system which is capable of feeling great pain, god did. Satan did not create disease, god did. Satan did not create a world with insufficient food and water to support human populations, god did. Reality does not mesh with the Christians loving and caring god figure. Jesus also taught that people that don't measure up will go to hell to be tortured. How does a being that claims to be merciful and good justify torturing people after they die. Wouldn't a truly merciful and good being simply let them stay dead? The only way to believe this stuff is to develop an attitude of active ignorance/denial "god works in mysterious ways, best not to question or think about it too much". Some people cannot function that way. Is it really their fault though? If a creator god exists he must have made them that way. Yea, the Christian belief system is too screwy for me to accept.

After my mind was opened up to God with the potential to be immortal and also what stood in the way, I began to read the Bible. I explored many directions at that time, including technology, wanting to understand more in a rational manner, because I could not explain what had happened.
Then the Christian experience was looked into. But to me it is something different and their ideas have formed many doctrines. I do not fit in, it is a culture that is difficult to accept. The Christian religion is not a good example of what the scriptures are about. It is an entirely intellectual exercise and gullible people are left exposed.

When Adam took up a rebellious nature he was then, mortal and biological. What ever happened it has effected the whole planet with a predatory biology with mutation, oxidizing, decay, entropy.
A rebellious nature means we all are able to affect each other by the way we talk and respond and there is a deep subconscious connection that stirs up feelings and memories. We become depleted tired and sickness occurs in the exchanges with others.
If we can change inwardly to a different nature the energy in it regenerates and we make people well. When a person does this on a continuous basis there is an opportunity to be immortal. As an over view it is simple.
It is very difficult for a sensitive person to listen to some people for any length of time. They mask their inner ability to get into the mind. I have only ever listened to one preacher that has not caused me any problems. There are a lot of sick people in churches.
It is necessary to be strong minded and insensitive for safety and that is generally and not just in a church. Most people are equally empowered and are careful not to stir up a conflict because the mind is fragile in some.
It is a difficult situation for every one.
In answer to your question about being burned continuously in a fire. As far as I know hell is the grave and final death with no more possibilities.
 
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