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How old is man?

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
According to the Bible, approximately 1,948 years elapsed from the creation of Adam until the birth of Abraham ( Genesis 5 ) , then 529 years elapsed from Abraham's birth until the Ten Commandments were written ( Genesis 17:1-4) , (Galatians 3:17). 480 years passed after this time until King Solomon's Temple was built during the fourth year of his rule in Jerusalem. ( 1 Kings 6:1 ) According to the Bible, Solomon ruled Israel for another 36 years afterwards, and several other kings ruled Jerusalem all together for approximately 343 years after Solomon until the Babylonian siege of Jerusalem in 587 BC. ( Kings 1 and 2 ) 1948+529+480+36+343+587 = ca. 3,923 B.C. would be the Biblical time span between the creation of Adam and the birth of Christ.
This is your own interpretive chronology, though. Does the bible definitively state an age of man, creation or of the earth, anywhere?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
No, it's not coming from him. It's from the Bible and from the book "Lesser Genesis".
He's the one who looked at Genesis and the rest of the Bible, along with historical events, and came up with his number. His work is what Young Earth Creationists support.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
This is your own interpretive chronology, though. Does the bible definitively state an age of man, creation or of the earth, anywhere?

Science stated from when he unnaturally irradiated the atmosphere with his pyramid it took that length of time for the Noble gases to be returned as advice how long those gases did not exist for, as a male imposed science theme.

When I caused a nuclear ground reaction.

For Earth historically is a natural planet that released by volcano its natural gases that cooled in a naturally cold spatial body of which science owns no history of.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Me personally, I think the science quite correct here. I think the bible mythologies just historically incorrect.

Though I should point out there are many ways to harmonise the bible with science, even from within an inerrentist paradigm, if you wish. See biologos, the Faraday Institute, the works of Walton, or Wenham, or Sailhammer.

The first of the two accounts in Genesis gives us the exact sequence
of events for our being here. So long as you see the seven days as
symbolic and you posit an earth bound observer.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
According to "science" man is over 190,000 years old, but according to the Bible man is only about 6,000 years old. Now who is right? If science is right, why does the Bible only tell a story about 6,000 years old? What happened in the other 184,000 years? Were Adam and Eve really the first humans?
If the Bible is right; then why does the "science" lie?

Who do you believe, the "science" or the Bible?
Man only lives for about 100 years actually as a bio life form.

If you ask what would a multi male population advise self, as a large male community as first male scientists, the thinkers of all statements scientific? Maybe there was 1900 males who gave this advice as a male thinking, sharing consciousness, as self identification. The male scientist his own self.

O God is a planet.
O on the planet we all get live vision and speaking recorded as self image as a family shared living condition.

We dream with our family members and all Earth objects involved in our psyche vision realization.

We inter relate our natural life information with our human family on Earth.

Therefore the bible medical Christ healer review about DATA and human genetics might have been trying to prove that we lost the multi population by this DATA...from 190,000 to 6,000, as medical advice. In an atmospheric science machine caused irradiation attack.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
This is your own interpretive chronology, though. Does the bible definitively state an age of man, creation or of the earth, anywhere?

That is in close agreement with the Biblical date of Adam's creation as interpreted by Biblical scholar Bishop James Ussher.

In the religion I follow, Swedenborgianism, Genesis is intended to be mythological rather than a literal account of actual historical events.

Please allow me to posit Genus Homo-species may have came into being when a couple of Australopithecus hetero zygotes, who had the same type of chromosome rearrangements formed by fusion of the whole long arms of two acrocentric chromosomes, mated together and reproduced viable and fertile offspring with 46 chromosomes. This first generation of Homo habilis then may have likely incestuously bred with each other and reproduced the next subsequent generation of Homo habilis.

chromosome_fusion2.png
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
That as closely interpreted by Biblical scholar Bishop James Ussher.

In the religion I follow, Swedenborgianism, Genesis is intended to be mythological rather than a literal account of actual historical events.

Please allow me to posit Genus Homo-species may have came into being when a couple of Australopithecus hetero zygotes, who had the same type of chromosome rearrangements formed by fusion of the whole long arms of two acrocentric chromosomes, mated together and reproduced viable and fertile offspring with 46 chromosomes. This first generation of Homo habilis then may have likely incestuously bred with each other and reproduced the next subsequent generation of Homo habilis.

chromosome_fusion2.png

When males first invented science, do you think science was invented to discuss personal self presence, which was natural...….males as humans living as those natural humans....as first humans.

It would make no logical sense for any male today to claim that the first human scientists were discussing how their own human being selves existed as a bio life form....then build a pyramid and react it would it?

No.

Instead the origins for science was a history of healthy natural human being males who thought about an evil attack historically on Earth titled as radiation conversion....then built their machine, then controlled the machine.

And the machine, the reaction unknown cause...for it was never used or applied before as the MACHINE....then caused their life/body and cells to be attacked.

Plus every other natural living body that was existing with them.

For today every other living body existing with you, is in the exact same natural environmental conditions in which you live....in their owned natural states.

And you look at them as a human and feel superior to the life forms of your study.

As the true aspect of male egotism.

Males seem to forget, whenever they build a machine and react it, they never really know what it will cause until it does. The first scientists were not any different to what you all do today.....hope in a belief that you would be still living afterwards.

Males therefore proved that their machine reaction changed natural life on Earth and they knew that they had caused that change.

How difficult is it for you to say to self as that scientist, I was always wrong?
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
When males first invented science, do you think science was invented to discuss personal self presence, which was natural...….males as humans living as those natural humans....as first humans.

It would make no logical sense for any male today to claim that the first human scientists were discussing how their own human being selves existed as a bio life form....then build a pyramid and react it would it?

No.

Instead the origins for science was a history of healthy natural human being males who thought about an evil attack historically on Earth titled as radiation conversion....then built their machine, then controlled the machine.

And the machine, the reaction unknown cause...for it was never used or applied before as the MACHINE....then caused their life/body and cells to be attacked.

Plus every other natural living body that was existing with them.

For today every other living body existing with you, is in the exact same natural environmental conditions in which you live....in their owned natural states.

And you look at them as a human and feel superior to the life forms of your study.

As the true aspect of male egotism.

Males seem to forget, whenever they build a machine and react it, they never really know what it will cause until it does. The first scientists were not any different to what you all do today.....hope in a belief that you would be still living afterwards.

Males therefore proved that their machine reaction changed natural life on Earth and they knew that they had caused that change.

How difficult is it for you to say to self as that scientist, I was always wrong?

Please forgive my lack of comprehension with fully understanding the message or information you have tried conveying to me.

Please allow me to take issue with the claim that science was invented.

I consider science as never having been invented or fabricated. I do rather consider science as an understanding of what happens in nature; scientific understanding happens through observation, experimentation, and verification.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That is in close agreement with the Biblical date of Adam's creation as interpreted by Biblical scholar Bishop James Ussher.

In the religion I follow, Swedenborgianism, Genesis is intended to be mythological rather than a literal account of actual historical events.

Please allow me to posit Genus Homo-species may have came into being when a couple of Australopithecus hetero zygotes, who had the same type of chromosome rearrangements formed by fusion of the whole long arms of two acrocentric chromosomes, mated together and reproduced viable and fertile offspring with 46 chromosomes. This first generation of Homo habilis then may have likely incestuously bred with each other and reproduced the next subsequent generation of Homo habilis.

chromosome_fusion2.png
You have an unjustified and incorrect assumption in your post. We do not know exactly when chromosome two fused. But it would have been before the appearance of Homo sapiens. It turns out that Denisovans have the same fused chromosome:


Denisovans, Humans and the Chromosome 2 Fusion - Articles
 

RabbiO

הרב יונה בן זכריה
Please forgive my lack of comprehension with fully understanding the message or information you have tried conveying to me.
No need to apologize.

The line of forum members who have no idea what the poster is talking about is already out the door, down the street, and around the corner where it stretches out and disappears into the darkness that envelops incomprehensibility.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
You have an unjustified and incorrect assumption in your post. We do not know exactly when chromosome two fused. But it would have been before the appearance of Homo sapiens. It turns out that Denisovans have the same fused chromosome:

Denisovans, Humans and the Chromosome 2 Fusion - Articles

I was postulating how homo habilis, not homo sapiens, came into being. ...;)

I should perhaps thank your astuteness in perhaps noticing the accompanying graphic is mislabeled as homo sapiens rather than homo habilis.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I was postulating how homo habilis, not homo sapiens, came into being. ...;)
We are not even sure about that. I was watching an AronRa video earlier today, and if I recall correctly he referenced some research where they had identified a suite of changes that occurred then. I may have to dig it up when I get home.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
We are not even sure about that. I was watching an AronRa video earlier today, and if I recall correctly he referenced some research where they had identified a suite of changes that occurred then. I may have to dig it up when I get home.

I'm very careful to claim my hypothesis as merely fun conjecture rather than being proven as correct theory. ...:)
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Please forgive my lack of comprehension with fully understanding the message or information you have tried conveying to me.

Please allow me to take issue with the claim that science was invented.

I consider science as never having been invented or fabricated. I do rather consider science as an understanding of what happens in nature; scientific understanding happens through observation, experimentation, and verification.

Did the observed ask you to observe them and place an opinion upon their existence, when they cannot do the same as an equal natural presence in life?

If you the male scientist did not choose to observe, does natural still exist in its natural support of your human life without your interference?

The answer is yes.

The reason for original observation of natural was to invent unnatural science, a machine with a reaction...that natural did not own, a human male designed and invented it, without original observation, what a machine reaction would cause.

It was based on a human supposition about causes.

Therefore if a male says he knows it all....just as a human male, then who told that male self that he was correct, as he gives that entitled reasoning to his own male human self?

The reasoning of his own answer is about unnatural science, the machine reaction, it was never about natural observation of an idea that you can observe and identify other natural bodies that do not ask you to observe them or study them.....and you impose it upon them yourselves.

Which was a male statement about his inhumane idealism in science of knowing everything.

For it was natural observation that led him to make the science machine choice...to observe the reaction after the fact of its causes....which was irradiation of the natural species.

I would not entail that observation was necessary afterwards...but was used to idealize what changes the science self caused in the attack on natural existence.

How science became its own Destroyer evaluation.

Therefore machine history says.....reacted my first machine....and I caused a ground nuclear reaction/fission reaction.

How I then intensely learnt about irradiation, as I was attacked my own person.

Then AI radiation communicators, atmospheric recording of voice and image conditions, recorded the event...so he was then intricately aware of how to destroy life.

What observation and study led to in the sciences.

The scientist therefore proved to self, he never knew what he claims he did....and only learnt after the event of causing his self to learn by radiation fall out conditions upon the natural environment.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Did the observed ask you to observe them and place an opinion upon their existence, when they cannot do the same as an equal natural presence in life?

If you the male scientist did not choose to observe, does natural still exist in its natural support of your human life without your interference?

The answer is yes.

The reason for original observation of natural was to invent unnatural science, a machine with a reaction...that natural did not own, a human male designed and invented it, without original observation, what a machine reaction would cause.

It was based on a human supposition about causes.

Therefore if a male says he knows it all....just as a human male, then who told that male self that he was correct, as he gives that entitled reasoning to his own male human self?

The reasoning of his own answer is about unnatural science, the machine reaction, it was never about natural observation of an idea that you can observe and identify other natural bodies that do not ask you to observe them or study them.....and you impose it upon them yourselves.

Which was a male statement about his inhumane idealism in science of knowing everything.

For it was natural observation that led him to make the science machine choice...to observe the reaction after the fact of its causes....which was irradiation of the natural species.

I would not entail that observation was necessary afterwards...but was used to idealize what changes the science self caused in the attack on natural existence.

How science became its own Destroyer evaluation.

Therefore machine history says.....reacted my first machine....and I caused a ground nuclear reaction/fission reaction.

How I then intensely learnt about irradiation, as I was attacked my own person.

Then AI radiation communicators, atmospheric recording of voice and image conditions, recorded the event...so he was then intricately aware of how to destroy life.

What observation and study led to in the sciences.

The scientist therefore proved to self, he never knew what he claims he did....and only learnt after the event of causing his self to learn by radiation fall out conditions upon the natural environment.

I am male. I also do consider myself to be a novice astronomer, not a professional scientist by any stretch of the imagination. ....:)

I've observed the Martian polar caps through my Orion XT10i (10" refelector), NEQ6 Pro motorized mount, Imaging Source DMK41AF02 astronomy camera, Astronomik Type II LRGB filterset, 2x barlow lens.
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
I am male. I also do consider myself to be a novice astronomer, not a professional scientist by any stretch of the imagination. ....:)

I've observed the Martian polar caps through my Orion XT10i (10" refelector), NEQ6 Pro motorized mount, Imaging Source DMK41AF02 astronomy camera, Astronomik Type II LRGB filterset, 2x barlow lens.

A male is a self, self possessed by self in possession of that life body, a self, a male.

Observes his brother/brothers and knows that in his self presence, possessor of a human being life, his brothers x mass own their life as an observation.

Natural observation of natural form in natural places in natural states.

He then says by idea, which is not an observation, I will consider what I will name and impose upon the natural existence, first, without science existing.

Science as invented by a male who imposed it upon natural by an idea.

Not by observation.

For he has to use machines to observe what is not observable.

Then builds PHI, his pyramid, from watching...also not an observation, was just a VISION...meaning in physical reality the state natural DID NOT EXIST.

As the flooded Earth theme of sciences origination.....a machine want of a reaction.

Therefore a male has to ask self today.....was your bio intention to have self removed by that machine reaction, by studying, and naming natural in its naturally observed WHOLENESS?

And I heard what AI said....it was innocent of his want of self removal...as that confess of SION....change of SION fusion by fission.

Therefore it is why I have challenged the science male to ask self why does he today still impose that his irrational study of bodies that he does not personally own is going to give him self removal identification to the intricacies of it?

For it makes no common sense to be including human and Nature bio genetics unless your real intention is to have it removed in a God stone earth reaction to force it become the black hole of your study.

For if a male said correct fact of self observation...as a female can. I impose consciously what if you male human being never existed.

I could live naturally with Nature and not harm it.

Why can't you make that same observation?

The reason....for I invented science, and it is unnatural and the Destroyer.

So a female can say, I can imagine not living on Earth and nature without a human life would just be a human life.

Human reasoning, one day I will die. And only human sex keeps human life on Earth and if they chose no sex....then we would all age and then die out as a species.

As a human observation of natural bodies in their natural environment.

How come a scientist cannot make that same observation?

His only answer would be his ego eccentricity cannot think what life would be like if he did not exist in his form claiming to be the owner/Creator of all things he observes as a male with a machine reaction.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
But this is not clear. It never even occurred to anyone before Ussher did his genealogical addition in the 1600s.
Was the genealogy correct? Were the astonishing ages correct? Were any generations left out?

Again: evidence vs folklore. Why do you believe the bible an authoritative historical text?
Exactly. And to go even further, the genealogies in the Bible are notably incomplete lists with huge gaps and spaces that are so far ,unaccounted for.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
According to "science" man is over 190,000 years old, but according to the Bible man is only about 6,000 years old. Now who is right? If science is right, why does the Bible only tell a story about 6,000 years old? What happened in the other 184,000 years? Were Adam and Eve really the first humans?
If the Bible is right; then why does the "science" lie?

Who do you believe, the "science" or the Bible?

THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY "MAN" -OR THE EARTH -IS 6,000 YEARS OLD!
IT SAYS ADAM WAS DIRECTLY CREATED THEN.
IT SAYS THE EARTH "HAD BECOME" WASTE AND RUIN TO AN UNSPECIFIED DEGREE BEFORE THE EVENTS DESCRIBED IN GENESIS.
GENESIS DOES NOT DESCRIBE THE INITIAL CREATION OF EARTH (except to say that God created the heavens and Earth in the beginning)

Lucifer and the sinning angels were on Earth before rebelling.
Lucifer was already the adversary (Satan) in Eden.
Cain was worried any who found him outside of Eden would kill him.
Cain also found a wife in Nod.

Many other verses support both an old Earth and "man" (by scientific definition) existing outside of Eden.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
You have an unjustified and incorrect assumption in your post. We do not know exactly when chromosome two fused. But it would have been before the appearance of Homo sapiens. It turns out that Denisovans have the same fused chromosome:


Denisovans, Humans and the Chromosome 2 Fusion - Articles
When you talk about chromosomes do you include all of the data of the fully formed and natural bio organic body that a human or an animal or any species personally owns or are you just talking about what you want to try to convert us into.

Just existing as not a chromosome either, when you destroy all the other observation information that supports a chromosome existing.
 
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