How reasonable is monotheism, even hypothetically?

[LuisDantas]

Belief in God or Non belief in God does not make a human better or worse if you take issue with this you are not seeing things logically.

SO wrong, pal.

 

[Mister Silver]

Yes I did and I don't recall that ever being said
American Revolutionary War
Civil war caused the most American deaths in war
The American Indian battles

No class ever mentioned a religious reason. I could keep going but you don't care to logically look at history you use your own slant.

I shall take this time to educate you, because clearly you need it.

I shall start at the beginning.

When theists stopped being persecuted for their beliefs, what happened? Revenge, of course. No, that persecution card stopped working two thousand years ago.

I will make this as quick and painful as possible: holy wars, inquisition, witch burnings, support of slavery, support of inequality toward women, support of inequality toward gay people.

The very little good that religion does pales in comparison to the harm it does.

 

[bobhikes]

SO wrong, pal.

This is where we part, there is no point debating you if you hold to this and it is where I don't understand you. Logically Humans are humans a belief about one thing is not going to change that. Belief in God is just one thing all the bad you see from this comes from human interpretation of that belief. Human interpretation is as varied as humans are. People that don't believe in God are just as varied as those that do lacking that one belief doesn't make you any better.

 

[Thief]

Many people talk of monotheism as if it were a given that it is a good thing, worth presuming as true and somehow pursuing.

But is that at all true?

I don't think so, and here is why.

First of all, I don't think monotheism - the mainstream versions of its Abrahamic variety, at least - can be both true, accurate and important all at once. There is a serious logical contradiction in the attempt to give it all three atributes.

Why? Because in order to quantify an entity we have to delimit it by some form of parameters. And yet those same doctrines that insist that there is just One True God also emphasize its supreme transcendence, the classic example being the claim that everything that exists needs a creator, the sole exception being their creator God himself.

Someone had to be first.
that would be God

the attributes ....bigger, faster, stronger, more intelligent and greatly experienced
would be more accurate

find someone with GREATER attributes......he is then your God
find the Greatest of all.....you have found the ALMIGHTY

 

[Thief]

I shall take this time to educate you, because clearly you need it.

I shall start at the beginning.

When theists stopped being persecuted for their beliefs, what happened? Revenge, of course. No, that persecution card stopped working two thousand years ago.

I will make this as quick and painful as possible: holy wars, inquisition, witch burnings, support of slavery, support of inequality toward women, support of inequality toward gay people.

The very little good that religion does pales in comparison to the harm it does.

you didn't start in the beginning

which came first?
Spirit?
or substance?

 

[bobhikes]

I shall take this time to educate you, because clearly you need it.

I shall start at the beginning.

When theists stopped being persecuted for their beliefs, what happened? Revenge, of course. No, that persecution card stopped working two thousand years ago.

I will make this as quick and painful as possible: holy wars, inquisition, witch burnings, support of slavery, support of inequality toward women, support of inequality toward gay people.

The very little good that religion does pales in comparison to the harm it does.

How about facts and not opinions. This is your statement "Belief in god has certainly caused more atrocities in history than non-belief"

Prove it.

 

[Mister Silver]

How about facts and not opinions. This is your statement "Belief in god has certainly caused more atrocities in history than non-belief"

Prove it.

I just proved it. Your inability to properly access reality from fiction is not my problem.

 

[Mister Silver]

you didn't start in the beginning

which came first?
Spirit?
or substance?

I don't know. See how easy that was? It is always better to admit one does not know an answer to something than to fill in the gaps of knowledge with "god". I would rather be honest than intellectually lazy.

 

[Thief]

I don't know. See how easy that was? It is always better to admit one does not know an answer to something than to fill in the gaps of knowledge with "god". I would rather be honest than intellectually lazy.

a stance on ignorance is not a stance....

and you don't know

 

[bobhikes]

I just proved it. Your inability to properly access reality from fiction is not my problem.

Your proof is as good as any theistic proof for God. Enjoy your belief.

 

[Mister Silver]

a stance on ignorance is not a stance....

and you don't know

I know that with the current knowledge we do posses, god does not exist.

If any real evidence was to surface, I could acknowledge the existence of god. That is not to state I would also worship stated god, because that god could still be a monster.

 

[Willamena]

If you go there, you basically have to take pains not to go all the way into pantheism, deism and/or atheism as the next logical steps, don't you?

I've already gone to pantheism, it's a blast. I've settled on atheism.

 

[Thief]

I know that with the current knowledge we do posses, god does not exist.

If any real evidence was to surface, I could acknowledge the existence of god. That is not to state I would also worship stated god, because that god could still be a monster.

you have a bias......
and the current evidence would be the universe (one word)

that you will not accept creation as evidence of a Creator.....
is no one's fault but your own

 

[Mister Silver]

you have a bias......
and the current evidence would be the universe (one word)

that you will not accept creation as evidence of a Creator.....
is no one's fault but your own

Creation itself is not evidence of a creator. That is ill logic.

 

[Thief]

Creation itself is not evidence of a creator. That is ill logic.

and you have logic to prove.....?
substance is 'self' creating

 

[sun rise]

I'll toss in some facts just for fun:

Believe it or not, religion seems to matter in Corporate America. A recent study that is about to appear in the Journal of Financial and Quantitative Analysis finds that firms located in U.S. counties with high religiosity have higher credit ratings and lower debt costs compared to other firms. Interesting, right? ...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kennethkim/2017/08/05/religion-and-corporate-america/#4c1e1309171a

 

[Mister Silver]

and you have logic to prove.....?
substance is 'self' creating

I can point to a watchmaker that exists and prove that he makes watches. I cannot point to any creator to prove that it created creation itself.

 

[LuisDantas]

This is where we part, there is no point debating you if you hold to this and it is where I don't understand you. Logically Humans are humans a belief about one thing is not going to change that.

Except that they often do. We believe in abstract ideologies, in ideals, in projects. And it turns out that god-beliefs are particularly remarkable both in their impact (although it can be fought against, and should) and their suitability to grave abuse.

You can claim to see no such characteristics, I suppose.

Belief in God is just one thing all the bad you see from this comes from human interpretation of that belief.

Obviously. Which is why it is humans, not deities, who should learn better.

Human interpretation is as varied as humans are. People that don't believe in God are just as varied as those that do lacking that one belief doesn't make you any better.

No, it does not. But it helps.

 

[LuisDantas]

Someone had to be first.

Actually, no.

that would be God

That sounds unlikely at best, and arbitrary as heck.

the attributes ....bigger, faster, stronger, more intelligent and greatly experienced
would be more accurate

find someone with GREATER attributes......he is then your God
find the Greatest of all.....you have found the ALMIGHTY

Uh... isn't that kind of blasphemous beyond having no logic?

 

[Katzpur]

Who, meeee?

LOL! Maybe God's just so uncomplicated to me that I have a hard time understanding the need for all that much analysis.

Guilty as charged, dear. How have you been? Long time no see.

I've been fine! Still drop by almost daily, but just don't post as often. After so long, I guess you just run out of stuff to say. Hope you're doing well!