How the chickens learned the need to sit on it's eggs ?

[apophenia]

Whatever it is you believe in and whether or not you believe we have a soul means absolutely nothing to me.

Unless you have reasonable evidence in support other than "experience" then don't bother.

Please refrain from incorrectly using the word belief. There is nothing regarding science that is a belief. It's simply an observation of factual evidence that is available. I disregard anyone with the opinion that anything scientific or within the scientific method involves a belief.

Beautiful. Right on cue. Suggesting that I have belief in a soul, despite what I actually wrote. Priceless.

This is a syndrome which deserves a name.

 

[chinu]

There you go ^

Precisely what I just described.

Thank you DarkEndless and Chinu for providing examples of precisely what I was talking about.

Talking about with whom ? yourself ?

There you go ^

Precisely what I just described.

Thank you DarkEndless and Chinu for making my case so clearly.

Making your case clear in front of whom ?

I have never seen anybody doing so many efforts for the for the sake of frubals

 

[darkendless]

Beautiful. Right on cue. Suggesting that I have belief in a soul, despite what I actually wrote. Priceless.

This is a syndrome which deserves a name.

"Whether or not you believe we have a soul"

Please read more carefully before you make an accusation next time.

I also notice you ignored much more of my post.

 

[apophenia]

Now I have a mystic and a 'scientist' (scientism-ist ?) both shooting me down because -

The mystic can't grasp that - "This experience is not evidence of the correctness of any proposition with which it may be associated."

And the scientism-ist can't accept the fact that a sense of presence is inexplicable, and somehow characterises me as religious because if I "ain't for him then I must be agin him."

It's almost funny.

 

[darkendless]

Now I have a mystic and a 'scientist' (scientism-ist ?) both shooting me down because -

The mystic can't grasp that - "This experience is not evidence of the correctness of any proposition with which it may be associated."

And the scientism-ist can't accept the fact that a sense of presence is inexplicable, and somehow characterises me as religious because if I "ain't for him then I must be agin him."

It's almost funny.

Scientism-ist? Don't for one second think you know anything about my beliefs or lack thereof because i've called out your attempts to explain something that is unscientific.

"Sense of presence" please? Lets stick to things which you're not developing inside your own head and presenting as fact.

I have no time for this.

 

[apophenia]

I have never seen anybody doing so many efforts for the for the sake of frubals

Superficial (as usual) , insulting, condescending and patronising (as usual) and, with the , totally hypocritical (as usual).

And I note that you have managed to proselytise and bully and patronise like this for a year with impunity. That's a subject in itself ...

But I love you. Like you were just a little child Because you are sweet and innocent and vague and pastoral

But you seem very concerned about frubals Chinu.

 

[apophenia]

Scientism-ist? Don't for one second think you know anything about my beliefs or lack thereof because i've called out your attempts to explain something that is unscientific.

If only you had a sense of irony.

"Sense of presence" please? Lets stick to things which you're not developing inside your own head and presenting as fact.

I have no time for this.

Really ? You entered a timeless zone to write that ?

And you have no sense of being present ?

Wow, you are like totally supernatural dude.

 

[darkendless]

Superficial (as usual) , insulting, condescending and patronising (as usual) and, with the , totally hypocritical (as usual).

And I note that you have managed to proselytise and bully and patronise like this for a year with impunity. That's a subject in itself ...

But I love you. Like you were just a little child Because you are sweet and innocent and vague and pastoral

But you seem very concerned about frubals Chinu.

Tone it down and stick to the thread topic.

 

[darkendless]

If only you had a sense of irony.



Really ? You entered a timeless zone to write that ?

And you have no sense of being present ?

Wow, you are like totally supernatural dude.

Refrain from insult and return to the topic.

This is not the place for snide self righteous remarks.

You claim Chinu is patronising you and yet you label the both of us into neat little definitions to suit your agenda. That is irony

Unless you have anything worth reading at this hour to add, i'm done.

 

[chinu]

The mystic can't grasp that - "This experience is not evidence of the correctness of any proposition with which it may be associated."

Why are you taking about the thing which doesn't exist ?
Thus, no need of any evidence remains thereafter starting debate on that thing, its already preasent, because of which such a debate got started.

 

[apophenia]

Refrain from insult and return to the topic.

This is not the place for snide self righteous remarks.

You claim Chinu is patronising you and yet you label the both of us into neat little definitions to suit your agenda. That is irony

Unless you have anything worth reading at this hour to add, i'm done.

Actually, if you read the posts , you will find that you and Chinu initiated the personal insults.

Check for yourself.

As I said -

The yin and yang of hubris.

We don't know how we know. Aggravating huh ?

there is nothing more aggravating to fundamentalists than that one simple fact of life - we don't know anything about our sense of existence. Nothing at all.

Except that we do have this inexplicable sense of existence. This presence.

It's the "inexplicable" which is upsetting you both. Scary stuff ! LOL

I don't have an explanation. Neither do you.

Why are you so distressed about that ? That is a question which could stand a little of your attention IMO.

 

[chinu]

Superficial (as usual) , insulting, condescending and patronising (as usual) and, with the , totally hypocritical (as usual).

And I note that you have managed to proselytise and bully and patronise like this for a year with impunity. That's a subject in itself ...

Its not my fault if you are not able to understand, where and why am talking about. Anyways.. i know all this disturbs you very much. (take it easy)

But I love you. Like you were just a little child Because you are sweet and innocent and vague and pastoral

As now you got nothing good to display your unique kindness, So you started like this way.

But you seem very concerned about frubals Chinu.

Who here is not ?

 

[LuisDantas]

You are asking how can one TRY to prove ?

It is the same, really.

For the same reason why it is unfair or worse to expect the atheists to prove their position: because the burden of proof rests with those who claim that there is a God.

 

[chinu]

Actually, if you read the posts , you will find that you and Chinu initiated the personal insults.

Insult ?
You are free do as much as you want

 

[LuisDantas]

Why is the burden on science to prove anything?

As far as science is concerned it neither exist because they are outside testable means, end of.

Indeed.

 

[apophenia]

Indeed.

Do you have a sense of presence Luis ?

Are you aware that you exist ?

Do you ever ponder on this ?

If that is not scientifically testable, do you assert that your sense of being present therefore does not exist ?

 

[LuisDantas]

Do you have a sense of presence Luis ?

I don't know what a sense of presence is, nor how I would realize if I had one.

Are you aware that you exist ?

I'm self-aware to some degree. I'm not sure whether I truly exist, though.

Do you ever ponder on this ?

Sometimes.

If that is not scientifically testable, do you assert that your sense of being present therefore does not exist ?

No. Nor do I assert that it does.

 

[FearGod]

:faint:

I don't know what a sense of presence is, nor how I would realize if I had one.




I'm self-aware to some degree. I'm not sure whether I truly exist, though.




Sometimes.




No. Nor do I assert that it does.

Now when you look to things around you by your eyes which send signal to your brain,then if you don't have the sense of presence then do you think your physical brain is the one looking to things and if you want to watch movie then your physical brain want to enjoy watching the movie.

i can give you other examples which you can realize yourself other than a brain in the head.

it isn't hard to realize the difference between our physical body and our awareness wether you want to call it soul or any other names.

Yes i agree we can't confirm it by science but we can realize it .

 

[apophenia]

I don't know what a sense of presence is, nor how I would realize if I had one.

I don't believe that for a moment.

I'm self-aware to some degree. I'm not sure whether I truly exist, though.

That's a dodge and weave Luis.

This game of pretending that your sense of being doesn't exist is utterly disingenuous.

The fact that you disown your experience of self-awareness because scientism is bullying you is lamentable, but also symptomatic of the post-modern scientific atheist syndrome - which denies the foundation of person, the sense of being, on the grounds that it is not scientifically testable !

Extraordinary. Without scientific confirmation, you cannot acknowledge your sense of existence !

That's as pernicious as any religious superstition or dogma in my book. Even worse - religion is about claiming belief in something you don't experience, whereas this is denying something you do experience because science has no theory for it.

 

[LuisDantas]

:faint:

Now when you look to things around you by your eyes which send signal to your brain,then if you don't have the sense of presence then do you think your physical brain is the one looking to things and if you want to watch movie then your physical brain want to enjoy watching the movie.

That may be the truth. Or it may be an illusion of some kind. How would I know?

i can give you other examples which you can realize yourself other than a brain in the head.

it isn't hard to realize the difference between our physical body and our awareness wether you want to call it soul or any other names.

If you say so. I can't say that, though. For me it is an inescrutable concept.

Yes i agree we can't confirm it by science but we can realize it .

There are people who swear to be rabbits or vampires.