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How To Be Free (In a Society of Psychopaths)

dave_

Active Member
I prefer being alone to be free.because when i am among people all the time someone picks me and bullies me.In fact it's not just me.In every community someone (probably a psychopathic individual) has an influence around them.The thing with this people are they can smell fear in people.It is like they are making everyone their slaves even people don't realise.A bully wants to enslave you.

I think the only way to be free of this kind of people is to be ready to stand against them.Standing against them means being ready to kill or get killed , ready for pain and suffering.I have a good life and in a way this makes me weak.Because i don't want to risk my good life.The only way to be free is being fearless and ready to give up everything.I've been bullied alot given the chance these people will ruin you.Enslave you.

To fight for my freedom i have put everything i have , i have to risk getting killed , prison etc.To avoid this i prefer being alone.

So is there another way to be free?How are you free?
 

dave_

Active Member
Also fearlessness is like some kind of madness.It feels great but one have to be willing to risk all.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Errr. I hate to break this to you, but as much as I'd like to have some kind of "zone of control", psychopaths don't emit anything other people don't. We cannot(yet) shoot lightning from our hands either.

Edit: Smelling fear? I don't think I can. I can notice it a little better than the average person but I don't think fear has a smell..
 

dannerz

Member
Law tends to favor passivism. Rely on the police. But the police have failed. The police have failed on every level.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Most bullies are not psychopaths. Psychopaths are not as common as you'd seem to suggest, not necessarily exhibit some of the traits you seem to be suggesting they do.
How do you define psychopath.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Freedom, I've come to understand, cannot exist without a corresponding object that freedom is from. Therefore, general "freedom" is about as meaningful as a square shaped like a circle.

There are some things I'm free from, and some things I'm not.

US culture constantly stresses how "free" we are, in our vernacular and our art. "Land of the Free"; "It's a free country"; etc. What's often forgotten entirely is that these only mean that the US is free from the British Crown, and that we once were the beacon that stood against absolutist monarchical governments (a long obsolete status with other revolutions and the rise of constitutional monarchies).

True freedom from the influence of other humans is impossible, unless you strip naked and just run out into the wilderness, so deep that nobody will find you, and live there without any contact; even that's probably not possible since you're likely going to be using several survival techniques (some more effective than others) that you would have picked up from others. And even then, there's no escaping a simple fact: humans are a tribe-social species. Except for people with antisocial disorders (like psychopathy and sociopathy), we cannot function in a psychologically healthy way without socializing with our "tribe" (that is, friends and family).

Also, one other thing. Mean and rude people aren't necessarily psychopaths. Bullies aren't always out to get you either; oftentimes, they're just unaware that what they're doing is harmful. Or, they themselves have a mindset similar to the one you're proposing. In children, one of the most common forms of bullying is preemptive attacks on perceived, nonexistent threats.
 

dave_

Active Member
True freedom from the influence of other humans is impossible, unless you strip naked and just run out into the wilderness, so deep that nobody will find you, and live there without any contact; even that's probably not possible since you're likely going to be using several survival techniques (some more effective than others) that you would have picked up from others. And even then, there's no escaping a simple fact: humans are a tribe-social species.

I don't want to be free from humanely influence i just want to live a good life.
 

dave_

Active Member
Errr. I hate to break this to you, but as much as I'd like to have some kind of "zone of control", psychopaths don't emit anything other people don't. We cannot(yet) shoot lightning from our hands either.

Edit: Smelling fear? I don't think I can. I can notice it a little better than the average person but I don't think fear has a smell..

Perhaps not all psychopaths but the ones with good social skills.
 

dave_

Active Member
Most bullies are not psychopaths. Psychopaths are not as common as you'd seem to suggest, not necessarily exhibit some of the traits you seem to be suggesting they do.
How do you define psychopath.

Perhaps not all psychopaths but the ones with good social skills.

It isn't my definiton.There are certain characteristics like malignant narcissism , they do what they want , they are fearless unable to emphatize etc.The definition is pretty standardized
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I don't want to be free from humanely influence i just want to live a good life.

Which is possible without assuming everyone is out to get you. I haven't gotten bullied in real life since graduating high school, but still have a strong, healthy social circle.

I'm also an introvert, so I do understand.
 

dave_

Active Member
We really aren't all that different from you, you know.

I can understand you to some extend.Actually i have some psychopathic personality traits.But i can't understand the full extend of your nihilism or fearlessness.I mean i am very scared to go the prison or my life getting ruined.As far as i know psychopaths don't give a damn about anything.They just live in the moment , do what they want.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
It isn't my definiton.There are certain characteristics like malignant narcissism , they do what they want , they are fearless unable to emphatize etc.The definition is pretty standardized

Focus on the clinical definition, and avoid the popular definition. The two don't really see eye-to-eye.

Narcissistic personality disorder is distinct from antisocial personality disorder.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
I can understand you to some extend.Actually i have some psychopathic personality traits.
Show me someone without psychopathic traits and I'll show you someone who's effectively useless.

But i can't understand the full extend of your nihilism or fearlessness.I mean i am very scared to go the prison or my life getting ruined.As far as i know psychopaths don't give a damn about anything.They just live in the moment , do what they want.
Fearlessness doesn't mean "hurt & rape everything in front of you". It means "take a chance when it's there".
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
I prefer being alone to be free.because when i am among people all the time someone picks me and bullies me.In fact it's not just me.In every community someone (probably a psychopathic individual) has an influence around them.The thing with this people are they can smell fear in people.It is like they are making everyone their slaves even people don't realise.A bully wants to enslave you.

Or dominate you, which is basically the same thing.

I think the only way to be free of this kind of people is to be ready to stand against them.

If you're standing, and someone is trying to get you to kneel, and you go on standing anyway, you're already standing against them. It doesn't have to be an aggressive action.

Standing against them means being ready to kill or get killed

Nah, not in our society. In the first world the worst you have to worry about, usually, is being humiliated.

ready for pain and suffering.I have a good life and in a way this makes me weak.Because i don't want to risk my good life.The only way to be free is being fearless and ready to give up everything.I've been bullied alot given the chance these people will ruin you.Enslave you.

To fight for my freedom i have put everything i have , i have to risk getting killed , prison etc.To avoid this i prefer being alone.

So is there another way to be free?How are you free?

Bullies are a fact of life, Dave, especially in our society where it's illegal to shoot them (I bet there were fewer bullies in the old west). And you're right: predators can spot prey (prey-dar?). It's a sad fact of life that the more worried you are about being ****ed with the more likely it is that someone is going to **** with you.

What can you do? Well, first off you can start looking at it differently: if the Universe has singled you out as a bully magnet, take a moment and try and see if there's a sliver lining in there somewhere, ie., an opportunity, some sort of at least potential benefit to it.

Here's what I mean: one of my most glaring personal flaws is that I'm impatient. In spite of the fact that I have more free time and a more flexible schedule than most people, I'm always in a hurry. So, when I'm in line at the grocery store and the person in front of me is arguing with the cashier, or changing their mind at the last minute (putting things back or running off to get something they just thought of), or the cash register suddenly decides to freeze up, or anything happens to make what I thought was going to be a 5 minute wait into a 15 minute reminder of just how inconsiderate some people can be, I do this: instead of saying "Why me" (which is my reflex response) I tell myself, "OK, better me than someone who has to be somewhere: at work in 15 minutes, or has to pick up their kid, or who's already had a really hectic day and doesn't have the time or patience for this", or, "Better me than someone who's going to get teed-off and take it out on the already stressed out cashier", etc.

Thing is, this happens to me a lot. I mean a lot. And being a theist, what I've decided is that the reason for this is that the Universe has chosen me to be the guy who stands in for someone else in these situations. It's my job. It's an opportunity for me to be useful. The pay off for me is that I stop gritting my teeth, I start looking at some of the people in the other lines who look like they might need to be somewhere soon and feel good that I could run interference on a hold-up to their plans. I look at the cashier and make a point to be especially nice and friendly since S/he'll probably be expecting the opposite, and when it's all over I walk away feeling good about myself and happy about the fact that I had the chance to make our hectic, belligerent, self-involved world .00000000000000000000000001 nicer.

OK, same thing with being bullied: when someone starts giving you ****, instead of immediately saying "Why me" (which is my reflex response in those situations also), start by saying to yourself, "OK: if this !@#% is screwing with me, at least while he is he's leaving someone else alone. Maybe someone who couldn't handle it as well. Maybe someone who might turn around and take it out on someone else, . . . "

I know this sounds like a recipe for being a doormat but it really isn't. Reason being, if you start telling yourself "Better me than someone else" in these situations some really cool things begin to happen: the fear, anger, and self-pity start to go away. Once that happens, all of a sudden you'll just spontaneously find yourself coming up with ways to deal with the bullies --- effective and legal ways --- that you probably wouldn't have thought of or been capable of if you were still thinking "Why me".
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Bullies are a fact of life, Dave, especially in our society where it's illegal to shoot them (I bet there were fewer bullies in the old west). And you're right: predators can spot prey (prey-dar?). It's a sad fact of life that the more worried you are about being ****ed with the more likely it is that someone is going to **** with you.

What can you do? Well, first off you can start looking at it differently: if the Universe has singled you out as a bully magnet, take a moment and try and see if there's a sliver lining in there somewhere, ie., an opportunity, some sort of at least potential benefit to it.

Here's what I mean: one of my most glaring personal flaws is that I'm impatient. In spite of the fact that I have more free time and a more flexible schedule than most people, I'm always in a hurry. So, when I'm in line at the grocery store and the person in front of me is arguing with the cashier, or changing their mind at the last minute (putting things back or running off to get something they just thought of), or the cash register suddenly decides to freeze up, or anything happens to make what I thought was going to be a 5 minute wait into a 15 minute reminder of just how inconsiderate some people can be, I do this: instead of saying "Why me" (which is my reflex response) I tell myself, "OK, better me than someone who has to be somewhere: at work in 15 minutes, or has to pick up their kid, or who's already had a really hectic day and doesn't have the time or patience for this", or, "Better me than someone who's going to get teed-off and take it out on the already stressed out cashier", etc.

Thing is, this happens to me a lot. I mean a lot. And being a theist, what I've decided is that the reason for this is that the Universe has chosen me to be the guy who stands in for someone else in these situations. It's my job. It's an opportunity for me to be useful. The pay off for me is that I stop gritting my teeth, I start looking at some of the people in the other lines who look like they might need to be somewhere soon and feel good that I could run interference on a hold-up to their plans. I look at the cashier and make a point to be especially nice and friendly since S/he'll probably be expecting the opposite, and when it's all over I walk away feeling good about myself and happy about the fact that I had the chance to make our hectic, belligerent, self-involved world .00000000000000000000000001 nicer.

OK, same thing with being bullied: when someone starts giving you ****, instead of immediately saying "Why me" (which is my reflex response in those situations also), start by saying to yourself, "OK: if this !@#% is screwing with me, at least while he is he's leaving someone else alone. Maybe someone who couldn't handle it as well. Maybe someone who might turn around and take it out on someone else, . . . "

I know this sounds like a recipe for being a doormat but it really isn't. Reason being, if you start telling yourself "Better me than someone else" in these situations some really cool things begin to happen: the fear, anger, and self-pity start to go away. Once that happens, all of a sudden you'll just spontaneously find yourself coming up with ways to deal with the bullies --- effective and legal ways --- that you probably wouldn't have thought of or been capable of if you were still thinking "Why me".



Beautiful.:clapping:
 
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