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How to convert to Islam (as a way to understand it better)

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
As time has gone on, along with the crisis of my own beliefs, I have become aware of how little I know about other religions. It can be reduced to very vague generalities. its strange but it is only when I started to think of a world without religion, that I realise how important it is to mankind as a whole and how I am still implicitly a product of cultural christianity. so finding some sense of "place" with my own beliefs means understanding others much more deeply than I do now. humanity is bigger, greater and more diverse than I have ever realised and admittedly, will probably ever know. thinking outside the box has got me this far, so its probably time to smash it and see where it takes me.

it seems that the best way to understand a religion is to live by them and practice them. that is how they are meant to be understoood, as living faiths. it is as much about how we feel as how we think and the inner experience is hard to replicate any other way. I've toyed with the idea of doing a "grand tour" of major religions by converting to them and getting to know them better. each is part of the story of our humanity, so they all have something to offer. I'm not sure how it would go but I thought I'd start with Islam.

Islam has obviously been in the news a great deal, and regrettably not in the sense I think people would want it to be. it therefore disproportionately comes up in debates on RF and often needs to be defended based on recognising muslims shared humanity with non-muslims in addition to the pecularities of the Islamic faith. it is also true that Islam, as the major religion of the middle east and africa represents a challange to eurocentric views by learning about it's history and traditions.

I hope that, if you are ok with it, that I may spend some time in the Islam DIR, get to know you all and your faith a bit better. I would still retain my own beliefs, but my intention is to respectfully spend sometime getting to know the "nuts and bolts" of a religion as a guest and not to impose upon you. maybe something along the lines of "when in Rome, do as the Romans do." there will be bumps I'm sure, but I hope you'll forgive my ignorance and nieveity on many subjects dear to you.

So I'd like to ask for some general advice on what I would do in order to convert to Islam as if I were to become a practicing Muslim and whether this is ok with the members here. that might help me understand. if this goes well I would then look to "join" another religion later on (let's say after at least for a month) and see what I can learn from each of them.

it's a crazy scheme, but every journey begins with a first step. so here it goes.

Are you ok with this?

kind regards, Laika.

[p.s. yes, I would consider praying five times a day to understand it. if I do so with much swearing at the early hours that will stay between the kafir and allah. ;) ]
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I want to clarify forum rules. The Dir is for people who are already Muslim or for non Muslims to ask questions without commenting. Hanging out in the dir probably won't work if you intend to discuss and comment as a non-Muslim.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I want to clarify forum rules. The Dir is for people who are already Muslim or for non Muslims to ask questions without commenting. Hanging out in the dir probably won't work if you intend to discuss and comment as a non-Muslim.

would you require me to recite the shahada in a members announcements thread to qualify to use the Islam DIR as a full convert? I will identity as a muslim to all other extents and purposes, but I think unless the recitation were sincere, it would be dis-respectful to the muslims on the forum.

I'll keep my replies limited to this thread and save you and the admins a potential headache. I'm more than happy to do that. :)
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
would you require me to recite the shahada in a members announcements thread to qualify to use the Islam DIR as a full convert? I will identity as a muslim to all other extents and purposes, but I think unless the recitation were sincere, it would be dis-respectful to the muslims on the forum.

I'll keep my replies limited to this thread and save you and the admins a potential headache. I'm more than happy to do that. :)
Sorry I don't know, because I'm only one moderator. If you start a site feedback thread to discuss it then you could get a clearer picture, but as the rules stand now you have to be a real Muslim and really convert, not quasi-convert.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Of course, Muslims speaking in this thread, or in Site Feedback, or even by reporting this thread would have a lot of weight on the matter.
 

Union

Well-Known Member
Hi Laika . I like your very frank way of speaking whatever you want to say . On this matter of your endeavor I suggest to forget about converting to Muslim first . Try to understand Islam to convince yourself first so that you won't feel sorry in future . Hence in my opinion the very first step is to study the Qur'an : Q&A sessions , Arabic language study , history , internal and external criticism , scientific facts , contradictions etc .
Qur'an is the revealed book of Almighty GOD . Hence if Qur'an is wrong , Islam is wrong . If Qur'an is right , you have a final destination then .

Hope that helps .
 

Union

Well-Known Member
As time has gone on, along with the crisis of my own beliefs, I have become aware of how little I know about other religions. It can be reduced to very vague generalities. its strange but it is only when I started to think of a world without religion, that I realise how important it is to mankind as a whole and how I am still implicitly a product of cultural christianity. so finding some sense of "place" with my own beliefs means understanding others much more deeply than I do now. humanity is bigger, greater and more diverse than I have ever realised and admittedly, will probably ever know. thinking outside the box has got me this far, so its probably time to smash it and see where it takes me.

it seems that the best way to understand a religion is to live by them and practice them. that is how they are meant to be understoood, as living faiths. it is as much about how we feel as how we think and the inner experience is hard to replicate any other way. I've toyed with the idea of doing a "grand tour" of major religions by converting to them and getting to know them better. each is part of the story of our humanity, so they all have something to offer. I'm not sure how it would go but I thought I'd start with Islam.

Islam has obviously been in the news a great deal, and regrettably not in the sense I think people would want it to be. it therefore disproportionately comes up in debates on RF and often needs to be defended based on recognising muslims shared humanity with non-muslims in addition to the pecularities of the Islamic faith. it is also true that Islam, as the major religion of the middle east and africa represents a challange to eurocentric views by learning about it's history and traditions.

I hope that, if you are ok with it, that I may spend some time in the Islam DIR, get to know you all and your faith a bit better. I would still retain my own beliefs, but my intention is to respectfully spend sometime getting to know the "nuts and bolts" of a religion as a guest and not to impose upon you. maybe something along the lines of "when in Rome, do as the Romans do." there will be bumps I'm sure, but I hope you'll forgive my ignorance and nieveity on many subjects dear to you.

So I'd like to ask for some general advice on what I would do in order to convert to Islam as if I were to become a practicing Muslim and whether this is ok with the members here. that might help me understand. if this goes well I would then look to "join" another religion later on (let's say after at least for a month) and see what I can learn from each of them.

it's a crazy scheme, but every journey begins with a first step. so here it goes.

Are you ok with this?

kind regards, Laika.

[p.s. yes, I would consider praying five times a day to understand it. if I do so with much swearing at the early hours that will stay between the kafir and allah. ;) ]

Hi Laika .There is a DIR here to discuss the 'Qur'an only' issues , you may find it beneficial . May Almighty GOD lead you in the right path .
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Hi Laika . I like your very frank way of speaking whatever you want to say . On this matter of your endeavor I suggest to forget about converting to Muslim first . Try to understand Islam to convince yourself first so that you won't feel sorry in future . Hence in my opinion the very first step is to study the Qur'an : Q&A sessions , Arabic language study , history , internal and external criticism , scientific facts , contradictions etc .
Qur'an is the revealed book of Almighty GOD . Hence if Qur'an is wrong , Islam is wrong . If Qur'an is right , you have a final destination then .

Hope that helps .
I endorse it. One should get convinced heart and soul, no half way. Laika is welcome to research. It is a good intention and a sincere effort, must be appreciated.
Regards

I would suggest Laika to start a thread in Religious Debate forum "How to find the truthful religion?". I think Islam is truthful enough to convince one on merit. Right? Please
Regards
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
[p.s. yes, I would consider praying five times a day to understand it. if I do so with much swearing at the early hours that will stay between the kafir and allah. ;) ]
the way of life :

The praying and doing good deeds (help people,give money to poor people,doing anything good to others) that ecrase the sins.

We the Muslims are looking for to enter to Paradise and avoid Hell by obeying God and doing good deeds to other people.
God will forgive any sin except worship other God ( deny Him ).

We Muslims believe that it's bad that someone living and eating and enjoy in God priority .then deny or disobey Him !!

I personaly welcome you, any movement by anyone let you get closer to eternal Paradise and aviod eternal Hell .

The Humans looking for eternal life in this life ,but it's will come :)
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Hi,

Welcome to Islam DIR. :)

I don't think it's fruitful to convert for the purpose of studying Islam. You can go on a research journey, and rather than saying you will "convert", you can simply try to practice it without having to convert.

Let me tell you in advance, it will be difficult to understand it only online. Islam is not just a theory, and it is not only about the individual.

Islam is about your submission to God in peace and your willingness to obey him and have a connection with him, it is about how you as an individual grow in spirituality, it's about how Islam become a way of life for you, it's about doing good to your parents, neighbors and friends, it's about how you deal with others in good manner, it's about caring for the poor, it's about how you deal in business in good terms that don't harm the society nor humanity as a whole, it's about how you interact with the Muslim community and contribute positively about it. It's also about self reflections and meditating to understand the meaning of life, the purpose of our existence, about the next life after death, and about what we are leaving behind after we pass into the other life.

Also, it's about how to protect one self from the negativity going on in the world regarding Islam and Muslims, and about distinguishing between what is the real Islam and what is not, which can be attained by increasing one self's knowledge about Islam by grasping the essence of What the Quran really stand for.

So, living Islam is different than living any other religion, because you really have to live it to understand it and get benefit from it.

On the other hand, what you can do in order to know Islam without really converting is to visit a mosque, attend talks and events, read books about Islam, asking questions and here we can only suggest for you what you should do next in this journey of discovering Islam.

So, use this thread to learn about Islam and getting feedback about what your journey's milestones, your feelings, your experiences, your frustrations or lack of, rather than pretending to be a Muslim without really embracing Islam.

If you have any question, feel free to ask us, and all the best. :)
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Hi Laika.

I think the staff should let Muslims decide whether we would be happy allowing a non-Muslim to 'hang out' in the Islamic DIR for educational purposes just as in the past we have been asked and voted on issues regarding the DIR. Having said that, I think every Muslim will be more than happy to have you around be it to ask questions, take part in our discussions etc.

As for maximum exposure, I agree with Tashan, when someone becomes a Muslim, Islam comes alive it's unlike any other experience. But on the other hand a temporary conversion is not very suitable, so instead maintaining your non-Muslim status and approaching Muslims (at a mosque, at a centre, on this forum etc) would be far more beneficial.

Islam is a way of life, and the only way to learn Islam is through being taught by someone in a direct way (not through online discussions). Online discussions are good to gain some knowledge and information, but to put that knowledge and information into practice you need the second factor, someone to show you how. So this is why for your benefit if you seek to maximize your experience I suggest you visit a mosque, a simple explanation into your endeavor will be warmly welcomed and people will be happy to help you out. You will have the opportunity to hear lectures (during the friday prayers if you are able to make it), to perform the prayers how we perform them etc. Most importantly if you do go to a mosque or a centre you will come across people from all different walks of life, which means that we are not all the same. Someone's habits and way of conduct you may find appealing, while someone else's you may find not so appealing, so I would like to remind you that Muslims are humans like the rest, some are better than others, we make mistakes and are prone to every obstacle as everyone else.
 

Union

Well-Known Member
I endorse it. One should get convinced heart and soul, no half way. Laika is welcome to research. It is a good intention and a sincere effort, must be appreciated.
Regards

I would suggest Laika to start a thread in Religious Debate forum "How to find the truthful religion?". I think Islam is truthful enough to convince one on merit. Right? Please
Regards

That's true .
 

Smart_Guy

...
Premium Member
You are welcome here, Laika :)

I suggest you don't convert to Islam, but instead practice it. But as for your question, converting to Islam only requires the testimony and belief that God (Allah in Arabic) is the only god worthy of worship and Muhammad is his slave/creation and Prophet. That's it.

I suggest you practice what you can of the 5 pillars of Islam. For now, I believe what you can do is perform prayers, fast Ramadan and give the alms. The remaining two would be the testimony, which I suggest to skip for now, and the pilgrimage which requires being an official Muslim to go to Makkah where Kaaba is. You can ask for specific details in new threads in the Islam DIR.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Many thanks for your replies. I'll try to get through them one by one.
Hi Laika . I like your very frank way of speaking whatever you want to say .

thanks. I think it tends to be more constructive. :)

On this matter of your endeavor I suggest to forget about converting to Muslim first . Try to understand Islam to convince yourself first so that you won't feel sorry in future . Hence in my opinion the very first step is to study the Qur'an : Q&A sessions , Arabic language study , history , internal and external criticism , scientific facts , contradictions etc .
Qur'an is the revealed book of Almighty GOD . Hence if Qur'an is wrong , Islam is wrong . If Qur'an is right , you have a final destination then .

Hope that helps .

I do have a copy of the Qur'an and I'll try and read it bit by bit.

Hi Laika .There is a DIR here to discuss the 'Qur'an only' issues , you may find it beneficial . May Almighty GOD lead you in the right path .

I will use it if I come up with something specific.many thanks. :)

I endorse it. One should get convinced heart and soul, no half way. Laika is welcome to research. It is a good intention and a sincere effort, must be appreciated.
Regards

I would suggest Laika to start a thread in Religious Debate forum "How to find the truthful religion?". I think Islam is truthful enough to convince one on merit. Right? Please
Regards

I don't think it's necessary for me to start a thread as it is more important that I learn more about religion. there is no universal definition of truth and so each religion will have a somewhat different one even if there is common ground because of human faculties. for me, I've learned that religious truth is a combination of thinking, feeling and doing. much of my problems have been caused by insisting on a "rational" truth based on thinking without taking into account how limited the facuty of language is to describe a religious experience and often acting in ways that have made me unhappy because they were "rational". it has been very deceptive and I'm listening to my heart more often and judge sincerity by my willingness to act on my beliefs. that seems a least to tell me when something is the "right" thing to do. I haven't really thought about it before, but revelation may be a path to truth. it is something I dismissed because I went with "common sense" which is a really bad judge of the right path. so for all these years my atheism has been a very poor one built on a failure to recognise these differences and seeking to understand them.

the way of life :

The praying and doing good deeds (help people,give money to poor people,doing anything good to others) that ecrase the sins.

We the Muslims are looking for to enter to Paradise and avoid Hell by obeying God and doing good deeds to other people.
God will forgive any sin except worship other God ( deny Him ).

We Muslims believe that it's bad that someone living and eating and enjoy in God priority .then deny or disobey Him !!

I personaly welcome you, any movement by anyone let you get closer to eternal Paradise and aviod eternal Hell .

The Humans looking for eternal life in this life ,but it's will come :)

that is a short reply, but will give me much to think about. thanks Godobeyer. :)

Hi,

Welcome to Islam DIR. :)

I don't think it's fruitful to convert for the purpose of studying Islam. You can go on a research journey, and rather than saying you will "convert", you can simply try to practice it without having to convert.

Let me tell you in advance, it will be difficult to understand it only online. Islam is not just a theory, and it is not only about the individual.

Islam is about your submission to God in peace and your willingness to obey him and have a connection with him, it is about how you as an individual grow in spirituality, it's about how Islam become a way of life for you, it's about doing good to your parents, neighbors and friends, it's about how you deal with others in good manner, it's about caring for the poor, it's about how you deal in business in good terms that don't harm the society nor humanity as a whole, it's about how you interact with the Muslim community and contribute positively about it. It's also about self reflections and meditating to understand the meaning of life, the purpose of our existence, about the next life after death, and about what we are leaving behind after we pass into the other life.

Also, it's about how to protect one self from the negativity going on in the world regarding Islam and Muslims, and about distinguishing between what is the real Islam and what is not, which can be attained by increasing one self's knowledge about Islam by grasping the essence of What the Quran really stand for.

So, living Islam is different than living any other religion, because you really have to live it to understand it and get benefit from it.

On the other hand, what you can do in order to know Islam without really converting is to visit a mosque, attend talks and events, read books about Islam, asking questions and here we can only suggest for you what you should do next in this journey of discovering Islam.

So, use this thread to learn about Islam and getting feedback about what your journey's milestones, your feelings, your experiences, your frustrations or lack of, rather than pretending to be a Muslim without really embracing Islam.

If you have any question, feel free to ask us, and all the best. :)

what you describe sounds very much like my last year as a communist. however, in future I hope I will make a much wiser choice of submission to a higher power though submission is difficult in anycase. it is something I am prepared for, and in a strange way, need. the act of submission does give you a sense of purpose which was very much part of the emotional appeal of communism as a way to find direction in my life and transcend my own mortality by submitting to a much greater and more immortal force. whether it be humanity or god, it has been a very calming experience as a way to prioritise what matters.

I live in a very isolated area, but I will certianly look into visiting a mosque if I can. that is obviously an important step towards understanding and being part of a community and learning to deal with how it is percieved by others.

Hi Laika.

I think the staff should let Muslims decide whether we would be happy allowing a non-Muslim to 'hang out' in the Islamic DIR for educational purposes just as in the past we have been asked and voted on issues regarding the DIR. Having said that, I think every Muslim will be more than happy to have you around be it to ask questions, take part in our discussions etc.

As for maximum exposure, I agree with Tashan, when someone becomes a Muslim, Islam comes alive it's unlike any other experience. But on the other hand a temporary conversion is not very suitable, so instead maintaining your non-Muslim status and approaching Muslims (at a mosque, at a centre, on this forum etc) would be far more beneficial.

Islam is a way of life, and the only way to learn Islam is through being taught by someone in a direct way (not through online discussions). Online discussions are good to gain some knowledge and information, but to put that knowledge and information into practice you need the second factor, someone to show you how. So this is why for your benefit if you seek to maximize your experience I suggest you visit a mosque, a simple explanation into your endeavor will be warmly welcomed and people will be happy to help you out. You will have the opportunity to hear lectures (during the friday prayers if you are able to make it), to perform the prayers how we perform them etc. Most importantly if you do go to a mosque or a centre you will come across people from all different walks of life, which means that we are not all the same. Someone's habits and way of conduct you may find appealing, while someone else's you may find not so appealing, so I would like to remind you that Muslims are humans like the rest, some are better than others, we make mistakes and are prone to every obstacle as everyone else.

thanks. that will be something I will look into. my comments above to TashaN may be of interest :)

You are welcome here, Laika :)

I suggest you don't convert to Islam, but instead practice it. But as for your question, converting to Islam only requires the testimony and belief that God (Allah in Arabic) is the only god worthy of worship and Muhammad is his slave/creation and Prophet. That's it.

I suggest you practice what you can of the 5 pillars of Islam. For now, I believe what you can do is perform prayers, fast Ramadan and give the alms. The remaining two would be the testimony, which I suggest to skip for now, and the pilgrimage which requires being an official Muslim to go to Makkah where Kaaba is. You can ask for specific details in new threads in the Islam DIR.

I will have to look into the five pillars as a starting point. I will endevour not let my western-materialist apathy get in the way of trying to pray for at least one day. I may even enjoy it as having structure in your own life routine can be very calming at times. I am prepared to lose my bacon however. :)
 

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
...... I'm not sure how it would go but I thought I'd start with Islam.
Peace be on you.
Just trying a recall: Is it your good self whose family is Muslim. And you could not get answers to your questions....If you are not that one, sorry.


I hope that, if you are ok with it, that I may spend some time in the Islam DIR, get to know you all and your faith a bit better. I would still retain my own beliefs, but my intention is to respectfully spend sometime getting to know the "nuts and bolts" of a religion as a guest and not to impose upon you.
Is it possible within the current rules that you just ask respectable question and get answers without you debating others, and others debating each other.

So I'd like to ask for some general advice on what I would do in order to convert to Islam as if I were to become a practicing Muslim .........
........
kind regards, Laika.........
For this, if you may, you can find addresses of various Muslim centres / association etc in your area, and make personal visits, talk to their leaders, Imams, people, visit their religious institutions, students, scholars, discuss contemporary issues, their fundings and aims etc.
Very good wishes.
 
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Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Peace be on you.
Just trying a recall: Is it your good self whose family is Muslim. And you could not get answers to your questions....If you are not that one, sorry.

no, afriad not. my dad is (probably) an atheist and my mum has some undefined spiritual beliefs. I don't know exactly as my parents don't talk about religion in any deatil as they have conflicting beliefs on it.

Is it possible within the current rules that you just ask respectable question and get answers without you debating others, and others debating each other.

yes. I will try to do as much research as possible independently though. :)

For this, if you may, you can find addresses of various Muslim centres / association etc in your area, and make personal visits, talk to their leaders, Imams, people, visit their religious institutions, students, scholars, discuss contemporary issues, their fundings and aims etc.
Very good wishes.

I checked earlier and there is muslim association and a mosque under construction in my nearest city (two hours car/bus ride away). I'll keep looking.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
Just wanted to add a brief opinion of mine, fwiw.

Last year, I explored Islam, and by that I mean...I lived as though I were converting. I learned the prayers, followed customs, read the Qur;an, and my Muslim friends offline helped me to better understand what I was considering. I also explored Sufism as a complement to it. So, perhaps to really understand it best, you could behave as though you were considering conversion, and then you will learn it from the inside out, as opposed to the outside in. It's like learning to ride a bike for the first time. You can read about it, and listen to others...and you may know somewhat how to ride it, but until you get on the bike and ride it yourself, you will not really fully understand it. I didn't convert to Islam, but by following that path, it helped me see it with depth. Good luck as you explore! :)
 

Union

Well-Known Member
As time has gone on, along with the crisis of my own beliefs, I have become aware of how little I know about other religions. It can be reduced to very vague generalities. its strange but it is only when I started to think of a world without religion, that I realise how important it is to mankind as a whole and how I am still implicitly a product of cultural christianity. so finding some sense of "place" with my own beliefs means understanding others much more deeply than I do now. humanity is bigger, greater and more diverse than I have ever realised and admittedly, will probably ever know. thinking outside the box has got me this far, so its probably time to smash it and see where it takes me.

it seems that the best way to understand a religion is to live by them and practice them. that is how they are meant to be understoood, as living faiths. it is as much about how we feel as how we think and the inner experience is hard to replicate any other way. I've toyed with the idea of doing a "grand tour" of major religions by converting to them and getting to know them better. each is part of the story of our humanity, so they all have something to offer. I'm not sure how it would go but I thought I'd start with Islam.

Islam has obviously been in the news a great deal, and regrettably not in the sense I think people would want it to be. it therefore disproportionately comes up in debates on RF and often needs to be defended based on recognising muslims shared humanity with non-muslims in addition to the pecularities of the Islamic faith. it is also true that Islam, as the major religion of the middle east and africa represents a challange to eurocentric views by learning about it's history and traditions.

I hope that, if you are ok with it, that I may spend some time in the Islam DIR, get to know you all and your faith a bit better. I would still retain my own beliefs, but my intention is to respectfully spend sometime getting to know the "nuts and bolts" of a religion as a guest and not to impose upon you. maybe something along the lines of "when in Rome, do as the Romans do." there will be bumps I'm sure, but I hope you'll forgive my ignorance and nieveity on many subjects dear to you.

So I'd like to ask for some general advice on what I would do in order to convert to Islam as if I were to become a practicing Muslim and whether this is ok with the members here. that might help me understand. if this goes well I would then look to "join" another religion later on (let's say after at least for a month) and see what I can learn from each of them.

it's a crazy scheme, but every journey begins with a first step. so here it goes.

Are you ok with this?

kind regards, Laika.

[p.s. yes, I would consider praying five times a day to understand it. if I do so with much swearing at the early hours that will stay between the kafir and allah. ;) ]

Few quick points to add :

01- Stay away for IS , Al-Qaedas' etc. teachings . They are the enemies of Islam as well as the whole humanity . They are not Muslims but pretend to be Muslim . Hence do not accept any of their teachings .

02- Do not fall inside the sectarian traps . Shia Islam and Sunni Islam have their own versions of Islam created by their own people as found in their self-made books , e.g., Bukhari and Kafi etc. They don't follow the Qur'an though they claim that they do it . Five pillars , five Salah , killing apostates , stoning adulterers to death , women are half of men , slaves are subjects to sex , the artist will go to hell , men get hoor in heaven for sex but women get nothing , husband can beat wife ,women are the majority to go hell , women can't be the leader of a state etc. None of these from Qur'an but from Hadith books that they created in the name of the Prophet .
 
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