How to defeat Donald Trump thread

[robocop (actually)]

Astonishingly, predictit today showed a 9% chance increase of winning the Senate for the Democrats just today. I am a Centrist (who espouses systems from all wings), but I'll bet that makes you guys want to dance in the streets. There is a 60% chance the Democrats will win the Senate. As for the House we have to wait until 2023 because of gerrymandering.

 

[BSM1]

The democrats should be embarrassed that they can't nominate a candidate with strong enough appeal to win by a landslide. The Republicans should be embarrassed if Trump is the best they can do. IMHO, there's a sad, sad truth in my country. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of men and women in this country who would be great Presidents. They might lean to the right or lean to the left. But this nation is incapable of recognizing and electing such candidates.

Can't get elected if you don't run. Politics 101.

 

[Scott C.]

Can't get elected if you don't run. Politics 101.

I believe the country's finest will not run because they don't want to subject themselves to the abuse. The media, the competition, and the public at large are blood thirsty false accusers and liars who will destroy reputations in the name of winning. They look for the smallest reason to take offense and to accuse. Why would an honorable, talented, successful, intelligent, and honest person, subject himself to that? Why not just stay in the private sector and remain a great leader in industry and home, where you are respected and trusted?

 

[robocop (actually)]

Can't get elected if you don't run. Politics 101.

Sometimes someone can win no matter what. Politics 102. That's what this thread is discussing.

 

[BSM1]

I believe the country's finest will not run because they don't want to subject themselves to the abuse. The media, the competition, and the public at large are blood thirsty false accusers and liars who will destroy reputations in the name of winning. They look for the smallest reason to take offense and to accuse. Why would an honorable, talented, successful, intelligent, and honest person, subject himself to that? Why not just stay in the private sector and remain a great leader in industry and home, where you are respected and trusted?

Maybe they simply haven't the cojones to run.

Sometimes someone can win no matter what. Politics 102. That's what this thread is discussing.

Did you mean "can't"?

 

[Scott C.]

Maybe they simply haven't the cojones to run

I don't believe the problem is a lack of the cojones to run. I believe the problem is the uncivil electorate.

 

[Deathbydefault]

For those who don't like Donald Trump, and I know some of you do, what can be done to stop the guy?

Bullets would probably work, if used properly.

 

[BSM1]

I don't believe the problem is a lack of the cojones to run. I believe the problem is the uncivil electorate.

Any excuse I guess...

 

[robocop (actually)]

Did you mean "can't"?

No, I meant "can." When George Bush ran in 2000, I learned a very hurtful lesson. I was very smart then... I was at UCLA... and knew he would win early on. I didn't want him to win, but his riches and probability just handed it to him on a silver platter. I knew things would go wrong once he inevitably got elected. But there was nothing anyone could do. Sometimes you are unstoppable. That is the lesson I learned. Sometimes your privilege just gives it you. Also, someone new getting in the race now would have no chance of winning, known like Biden or unknown.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Maybe metis will be like Emmet Brickowski from the Lego Movie and convince Donald Trump to be a good guy and not run.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

BTW, did any of you see the House of Commons' proceeding in London whereas the discussion was whether to ban him?

Yes, it shows how low British values have fallen, forgetting foundational liberties of freedom of speech that inspired the Americans' own constitution.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Frankly I'm scared but I don't know what to say to make this juggernaut lose.

Here is a BBC article about 5 ways that he could lose but they are wishful thinking:

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35649252

For those who don't like Donald Trump, and I know some of you do, what can be done to stop the guy?

If Cruz drops out and backs Rubio, it's possible. If Rubio drops out and backs Cruz, it's possible.

Neither of the two scenarios are likely. Both will want to stubbornly hang on till the other drops out and it's a two-horse race, which will probably result in a three man race where Trump dominates. Even in a two horse race, Trump can still dominate, but there's some shred of hope.

Super Tuesday next week will be the real test. If Cruz manages to pull some states away from Trump then he no longer looks entirely unbeatable. If Trump runs the table however, the race is effectively over.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I immediately decided I would back the current winner between Cruz and Rubio. If you look at my page http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/so-was-it-a-five-way-tie.184273/, and then the other caucus at https://www.bing.com/search?q=who won the Iowa caucus&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=who won the iowa caucus&sc=8-23&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=36A26594B84245CFB26769EFB22DFAB9 , you will see that Rubio has more delegates. He also beat Cruz in the other two states. Any chance we can get behind Rubio then? I know its close...

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

I immediately decided I would back the current winner between Cruz and Rubio. If you look at my page http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/so-was-it-a-five-way-tie.184273/, and then the other caucus at https://www.bing.com/search?q=who won the Iowa caucus&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=who won the iowa caucus&sc=8-23&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=36A26594B84245CFB26769EFB22DFAB9 , you will see that Rubio has more delegates. He also beat Cruz in the other two states. Any chance we can get behind Rubio then?

Rubio hasn't won a single state while Cruz won Iowa, and is currently tying with Cruz on overall delegate count. It's still up in the air, Cruz on paper looks to be doing better really, he at least has a state under his belt, and is looking to at least win Texas on Super Tuesday and has hopes to win more. The second and third places in South Carolina was effectively a draw and in Nevada was very close, I don't think Rubio's small success here yet makes up for Cruz's win in Iowa and their equal delegate count, not to mention Cruz is still second place in the majority of national polls.

 

[Sunstone]

I think the best way to defeat Trump is to target the political center. I don't mean the center as Washington and the mainstream media perceive it -- that's actually right of center. I mean the center as polls have shown the majority of Americans are. The closest candidate who comes to representing that center is Bernie Sanders.

 

[robocop (actually)]

OK Sultan Of Swing, let's try one more argument:

https://www.predictit.org/Market/1233/Who-will-win-the-2016-Republican-presidential-nomination .

This prediction market shows Marco Rubio as having 1 point away from 6 times as much chance of winning than Ted Cruz, a buy and ask chance of 25% and 23% of winning. Ted Cruz has a 5-4% chance of winning.

Sunstone, you may be right or wrong but I was trying to talk about getting the GOP nomination here. Perhaps we should be looking at the Democrats if we are concerned about Trump though.

 

[columbus]

Would I sound terribly partisan if I said I don't want to stop Trump?
I could change my mind. But what I am seeing right now is Trump doing far more damage to the GOP than the Dems could ever hope to do. If he were the Republican candidate, I could probably vote for Sanders in good conscience.
Miles to go before I decide that. But I might very well register Republican, vote in the primary for Trump, and then see who seems like the best candidate come November.
Tom

 

[robocop (actually)]

Sorry I know I'm posting a lot but at least I'm the OP.

I registered Republican (I'm a Rino Republican in name only) and plan to vote for Rubio. It's like this: I would rather have Rubio for the Democrat to run against then Trump. Even if Rubio has the better chance, that possibility that Trump might win is what deters me!

 

[robocop (actually)]

Let me just add a note... if you want to copy me and do exactly like I did you can still go to your county office and register Republican.

 

[Scott C.]

Any excuse I guess...

I don't understand your point. Do you think the best run for president? If not, why not?