How to defeat Donald Trump thread

[BSM1]

I don't understand your point. Do you think the best run for president? If not, why not?

Who knows? I saying that if you think there are better candidates out there who chose not to run because they are afraid of this or scared of that then what freakin' good are they to anyone? I would tell them to stand up or shut up.

 

[Scott C.]

They do

Who knows? I saying that if you think there are better candidates out there who chose not to run because they are afraid of this or scared of that then what freakin' good are they to anyone? I would tell them to stand up or shut up.

They do shut up. That's the problem.

 

[metis]

If some one held a gun to my head and said I had to either vote for Trump, Cruz, or Rubio, I would vote with the latter-- and then go and shoot myself.

 

[BSM1]

They do


They do shut up. That's the problem.

Then what kind of leader do you think they would be? No guts, no glory.

 

[Scott C.]

Then what kind of leader do you think they would be? No guts, no glory.

I can't prove this to be true, but my gut tells me that there must be many, many qualified candidates in the country who aren't running. If they stay away because the process is too distasteful, that does not mean they are not tough enough and therefore less qualified. We need to challenge candidates, but the current political environment is way too nasty and detrimental to our electing the best candidates. It seems you believe that it needs to be so nasty, to weed out the unqualified and allow the best candidate to bubble to the top. I don't think that's how it's working.

 

[robocop (actually)]

If some one held a gun to my head and said I had to either vote for Trump, Cruz, or Rubio, I would vote with the latter-- and then go and shoot myself.

You can do better than that... you can do it if you want... I'm not holding a gun to your head though.

 

[columbus]

I can't prove this to be true, but my gut tells me that there must be many, many qualified candidates in the country who aren't running. If they stay away because the process is too distasteful, that does not mean they are not tough enough and therefore less qualified. We need to challenge candidates, but the current political environment is way too nasty and detrimental to our electing the best candidates. It seems you believe that it needs to be so nasty, to weed out the unqualified and allow the best candidate to bubble to the top. I don't think that's how it's working.

I know one.
Evan Bayh is a conservative Democrat. He is so public service, bipartisan, "get this done for America", oriented that he left DC. It was just too toxic and media driven.
Tom

 

[Shadow Wolf]

All that needs to happen for Trump to loose is for Liberals to make sure they go vote. It's that easy and simple. But Democratic, Liberal, and Left-Wing voters as a whole tend to not go vote.
Go vote, drag your friends and family to the polls with you, and Trump will not win.

Evan Bayh is a conservative Democrat. He is so public service, bipartisan, "get this done for America", oriented that he left DC. It was just too toxic and media driven.

He can say that, but it's not what he did. He's still around, and like many career politicians all he did was step away from his Senator Desk so he could stand with lobbyists. He even joined Fox News as a contributor a few years ago, shortly after his "retirement" from the things he lambasted only to became a part of that very same problem.

 

[columbus]

like many career politicians all he did was step away from his Senator Desk so he could stand with lobbyists.

He is playing by the rules that are in place.
As opposed to the ones people sometimes think should be, when it doesn't conflict with what they want to happen.
Tom

 

[robocop (actually)]

Why are we talking about this now, as opposed to after the new election when many of us will be obsessed anyway? I mean, no new person can jump in and win. He'd have to be a David Blaine.

 

[BSM1]

I can't prove this to be true, but my gut tells me that there must be many, many qualified candidates in the country who aren't running. If they stay away because the process is too distasteful, that does not mean they are not tough enough and therefore less qualified. We need to challenge candidates, but the current political environment is way too nasty and detrimental to our electing the best candidates. It seems you believe that it needs to be so nasty, to weed out the unqualified and allow the best candidate to bubble to the top. I don't think that's how it's working.

Read what you are writing. If the campaign is too tough for these wanabees, then what happens if they get into office and have to make some really difficult and possibly deadly decisions. Someone once said if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen, but those that won't run because it might get dirty won't even come out of the closet.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why are we talking about this now, as opposed to after the new election when many of us will be obsessed anyway? I mean, no new person can jump in and win. He'd have to be a David Blaine.

Don't be so certain. What worries me about this election is the Left does not have a good voting record. Trump can easily win if those who would vote against him stay home. Do not take Trump's total outsider stance for granted, for although it means it's likely he'll get walked on in Washington, it has little bearing on the average voter. Really, what needs to happen is the Left needs to be very persistent, nearly to the point of annoyance, in getting their Left-wing friends and family to vote. If Trump wins, it's likely to be because people did not go out and vote!

 

[robocop (actually)]

Anyway in this election there should be no shame or grief to vote in your opposite party. Donald Trump invested in several Republican and Democratic candidates to increase the chances for what he liked. Rather than wanting a bullet in your head, voting defensively in the primaries could be a happy task.

Of course, there's still the problem of Ted Cruz dropping out.

 

[columbus]

Of course, there's still the problem of Ted Cruz dropping out.

This is the problem.
Cruz is better able to take out the billionaire wing of the GOP than Rubio. The GOP national are trying to figure out how to keep their boy in the game, when they keep losing to Trump.


Hillary laughs and rubs her hands, deep in the throat of an extinct volcano.
Tom

 

[robocop (actually)]

OK I get your volcano analogy which was also a reference to Austin Powers...

So how soon does Marco Rubio have to drop out and what are the chances of it?

 

[metis]

You can do better than that... you can do it if you want... I'm not holding a gun to your head though.

You would have to stand in line anyway.

 

[Scott C.]

Read what you are writing. If the campaign is too tough for these wanabees, then what happens if they get into office and have to make some really difficult and possibly deadly decisions. Someone once said if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen, but those that won't run because it might get dirty won't even come out of the closet.

You refer to wannabees here and in another place you said they should put up or shut up. I'm not talking about people who aspire to be the President or people who complain that they would run if everyone would be nice and play fair. I'm talking about great people, great leaders, who may be too humble to know how great they are. People who WE want to run. People who WE need. We don't have a system that finds, encourages, and enables such people.

 

[BSM1]

You refer to wannabees here and in another place you said they should put up or shut up. I'm not talking about people who aspire to be the President or people who complain that they would run if everyone would be nice and play fair. I'm talking about great people, great leaders, who may be too humble to know how great they are. People who WE want to run. People who WE need. We don't have a system that finds, encourages, and enables such people.

Same answer. You're just gilding a lily.

 

[Scott C.]

Same answer. You're just gilding a lily.

I shall refrain from any further gilding of the lily. Somehow I thought I was so right, that if I said the same thing over and over in other words, you would agree. But there I go again...

 

[robocop (actually)]

You would have to stand in line anyway.