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how to improve our planet

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
In a few days me and a friend will be handing out flyers to raise awareness of our religion, Projectionism

I have made I think two threads about this, over in Journals

Some people were interested in the content of the leaflets.....

On one side there is a quick overview of Projectionism and on the other there is a five-point plan to improve our planet

I call this plan The Utopia Option as it will make our planet increasingly Utopian, if enough people follow it

The five points are:
  1. Peace
  2. Freedom
  3. Development
  4. The Environment
  5. Science and Technology
Here is a video of me explaining it myself


What do people think of The Utopia Option?

And any ideas as to how I might go about making it better known?
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
What do people think of The Utopia Option?

And any ideas as to how I might go about making it better known?
Don't disagree with your 5 points, but on the other hand I don't really think you are going to blow away anyone's mind here, they are rather obvious :)

What you lack, if you want anyone to listen is the part of "How.."

How do you secure peace?
How do you secure freedom for all?
How do you manage development for everyone?
How do you secure or protect the environment?
How do you make sure that science and technology get implemented in the world without it potentially ruins more than it benefits?

These are just the initial "How" questions, because there will be a lot more.

You might have heard of the Venus project and the Zeitgeist movement, which talk about the same things, but at least they have suggestions of how to achieve it, whether that is actually possible or not, is again unknown.

But if you don't know it, here are just a few documentaries about their ideas:



 

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
Don't disagree with your 5 points, but on the other hand I don't really think you are going to blow away anyone's mind here, they are rather obvious :)
Yes, I know!

But sometimes obvious things need pointing out :)

And I think those five points cover everything

You might have heard of the Venus project and the Zeitgeist movement, which talk about the same things, but at least they have suggestions of how to achieve it, whether that is actually possible or not, is again unknown.
I was unaware of both those things

Thanks very much for sharing
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
Yes, I know!

But sometimes obvious things need pointing out :)

And I think those five points cover everything
I understand and again nothing wrong with it.

But think about how many times in your life some famous person or president have talked about peace etc. And lets be honest, we are not even remotely close to getting there, the environment is going to hell, wars still occur, people are still starving etc. My point being, that people know that peace etc. is needed and that we as a race are not doing particularly good with the responsibility we have, but the system we have created for ourselves, is that of a slave system. Everyone and everything depends on whether or not there is enough money. But money is our invention it is not something natural, but nothing gets done without money as it is now, because everyone needs them.

So all these things that comes from simply money has to be solved some other way, why would I give you something, if I didn't get anything in return? (Just to put it very black and white). The way we do it now, for the most part is that you give me some money and I do something for you. But how could we do it, so that it weren't needed and still you got the help you needed?
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
I salute your efforts and I wish you all the best with them. We can’t make a better world without a) acknowledging there is a problem, and b) trying to do something about it.

I think the best way to approach b) is to follow the suggestion, sometimes attributed to Ghandi, to “be the change you want to see in the world”.
 

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
And lets be honest, we are not even remotely close to getting there, the environment is going to hell, wars still occurs, people are still starving etc
Because of capitalism as we know it

but the system we have created for ourselves, is that of a slave system. Everyone and everything depends on whether or not there is enough money. But money is our invention it is not something natural, but nothing gets done without money as it is now, because everyone needs them.
Because of capitalism as we know it

So all these things that comes from simply money has to be solved some other way, why would I give you something, if I didn't get anything in return? (Just to put it very black and white). The way we do it now, for the most part is that you give me some money and I do something for you. But how could we do it, so that it weren't needed and still you got the help you needed?
Because of capitalism as we know it

I think that all our planet's woes can be attributed to capitalism as we know it

We therefore need a new system - but this would require an international movement and an international mindset, which I think would be possible in today's Information Age

The first stage of the challenge is therefore to build a global consensus that capitalism as we know it needs reforming

We need a new system that doesn't benefit from war, oppression, squalor, or environmental destruction

So, that's the first step towards realising the five points of The Utopia Option :D

But I will check those things out that you have linked to!
 

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
@Nimos

I am watching the Venus Project film, am almost towards the end of it

I now believe that a Resource Based Economy is the solution to Earth's woes and can promote the five Utopia Points

But I have to look at the problem from the perspective of The Projection

Thanks again for sharing :)

Is there anything else you think I should watch or read?
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
@Nimos

I am watching the Venus Project film, am almost towards the end of it

I now believe that a Resource Based Economy is the solution to Earth's woes and can promote the five Utopia Points

But I have to look at the problem from the perspective of The Projection

Thanks again for sharing :)

Is there anything else you think I should watch or read?
Not really, as far as I know no other people or movements, besides "random" science people suggesting solutions to specific issues, are dealing with a global solution, but as you might be able to quickly guess, when there is no profit to be made in such system, none of those in power and those with the money are interested in supporting it.

Which is probably also why nothing ever really seem to change around the world, because as things are now, its not exactly possible to make any form of transition to anything else, as the system we live under, only function when there is a profit, so its a system based on getting people to consume as much as possible. Which is the exact opposite of what a resource based economy is aiming for :D

So personally I don't think it has a lot of chance of succeeding, more than a "utopian" idea of how things could be done, even though I think we are eventually ending up with something like it far into the future. But the big question is how much that is worth something is left when we get there, if anything :)

I think its far more likely that we as humans will destroy ourselves or cause massive harm, far beyond what we see now, before those in power will ever give up on money and profit.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
I think the best way to approach b) is to follow the suggestion, sometimes attributed to Ghandi, to “be the change you want to see in the world”
My first thought was "I can't change the world, but I can change myself".

If I have changed myself then I will take on the world
 
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