How to solve an issue

[Spirit of Light]

Over time there has been experience of trying to be understanding toward people of other faiths and non-believers.

My experience is that if you try to tell non-believers that you are on their side, often they tell, " you can't say that because your religion say different, condemning of non-believers.

So then one try to use the belief to explain ones stands on different issues. Then the reply is "your religion is evil, harrasment, wrong, ignorant and so on.

So no matter how one try to explain. There wil never be a satisfying answers. Because people look always for fault in everything said.

I wonder if silence is better.

(This tread is not an complaining or judgment, only an observation and a wonder how to react)

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Over time there has been experience of trying to be understanding toward people of other faiths and non-believers.

My experience is that if you try to tell non-believers that you are on their side, often they tell, " you can't say that because your religion say different, condemning of non-believers.

So then one try to use the belief to explain ones stands on different issues. Then the reply is "your religion is evil, harrasment, wrong, ignorant and so on.

So no matter how one try to explain. There wil never be a satisfying answers. Because people look always for fault in everything said.

I wonder if silence is better.

(This tread is not an complaining or judgment, only an observation and a wonder how to react)

Well, silence also has a price. So you do what works for you and I will do it differently and that is it. For wrong in the end, that is with God, if God exists.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Over time there has been experience of trying to be understanding toward people of other faiths and non-believers.

My experience is that if you try to tell non-believers that you are on their side, often they tell, " you can't say that because your religion say different, condemning of non-believers.

So then one try to use the belief to explain ones stands on different issues. Then the reply is "your religion is evil, harrasment, wrong, ignorant and so on.

So no matter how one try to explain. There wil never be a satisfying answers. Because people look always for fault in everything said.

I wonder if silence is better.

(This tread is not an complaining or judgment, only an observation and a wonder how to react)

Like I said before, ones religion is completly personal and private and tailored only to oneself.
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[mikkel_the_dane]

Like I said before, ones religion is completly personal and private and tailored only to oneself.
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As so are your philosophy and mine. Religion is not that special. We all do that.

 

[Twilight Hue]

As so are your philosophy and mine. Religion is not that special. We all do that.

Yep. My tailored personal religion isn't compatible with yours and vice versa.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yep. My tailored personal religion isn't compatible with yours and vice versa.

Then stop claiming it is universal for all humans.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Like I said before, ones religion is completly personal and private and tailored only to oneself.
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Isn't it then strange other people critique something that personal of people they don't fully know?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Over time there has been experience of trying to be understanding toward people of other faiths and non-believers.

My experience is that if you try to tell non-believers that you are on their side, often they tell, " you can't say that because your religion say different, condemning of non-believers.

So then one try to use the belief to explain ones stands on different issues. Then the reply is "your religion is evil, harrasment, wrong, ignorant and so on.

So no matter how one try to explain. There wil never be a satisfying answers. Because people look always for fault in everything said.

I wonder if silence is better.

(This tread is not an complaining or judgment, only an observation and a wonder how to react)

As the old saying goes: the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

If you want someone to believe that you're on their side, show them that this is true with your actions.

If you haven't done anything to earn someone's trust, don't be surprised when they don't trust you.

 

[Spirit of Light]

As the old saying goes: the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

If you want someone to believe that you're on their side, show them that this is true with your actions.

If you haven't done anything to earn someone's trust, don't be surprised when they don't trust you.

I don't

 

[PureX]

Over time there has been experience of trying to be understanding toward people of other faiths and non-believers.

My experience is that if you try to tell non-believers that you are on their side, often they tell, " you can't say that because your religion say different, condemning of non-believers.

So then one try to use the belief to explain ones stands on different issues. Then the reply is "your religion is evil, harrasment, wrong, ignorant and so on.

So no matter how one try to explain. There wil never be a satisfying answers. Because people look always for fault in everything said.

I wonder if silence is better.

(This tread is not an complaining or judgment, only an observation and a wonder how to react)

My suggestion to you is that when it becomes apparent to you that you are conversing with someone that has no intention of listening to you beyond finding some way of countering everything you say, then simply disengage with them. Because to continue trying to engage with them is just going to be a waste of time and energy.

There are a number of people that come here only to puff themselves up by putting others down. They are not interested in conversing, or sharing ideas. They are only interested in showing themselves and anyone stupid enough to listen how smart they think they are, and how stupid they think you are.

It's just ego-masturbation at everyone else's expense. So don't engage with it. Just leave them to themselves once you recognize it. And learn to recognize it.

 

[Kenny]

Over time there has been experience of trying to be understanding toward people of other faiths and non-believers.

My experience is that if you try to tell non-believers that you are on their side, often they tell, " you can't say that because your religion say different, condemning of non-believers.

So then one try to use the belief to explain ones stands on different issues. Then the reply is "your religion is evil, harrasment, wrong, ignorant and so on.

So no matter how one try to explain. There wil never be a satisfying answers. Because people look always for fault in everything said.

I wonder if silence is better.

(This tread is not an complaining or judgment, only an observation and a wonder how to react)

That is quite a good point.

But remaining silent is not the issue. The issue is the heart. The heart is either open or closed.

Obviously there are two sides to the coin. A heart should be closed in some cases (and, of course, then you go into who is actually the right side and who has the wrong side). If someone said, "My religion says we should make human sacrifices" - I would close my heart to that proposal

Ultimately one should listen, communicate and come to a decision. That could be for your position or against your position. But if you have truth, you shouldn't keep quiet.

That being said, Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and no man comes to the father but through him. (within the caveat of my signature) My position is true, of course, and everybody else is wrong.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't

You don't... what?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

That is quite a good point.

But remaining silent is not the issue. The issue is the heart. The heart is either open or closed.

Obviously there are two sides to the coin. A heart should be closed in some cases (and, of course, then you go into who is actually the right side and who has the wrong side). If someone said, "My religion says we should make human sacrifices" - I would close my heart to that proposal

Ultimately one should listen, communicate and come to a decision. That could be for your position or against your position. But if you have truth, you shouldn't keep quiet.

That being said, Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and no man comes to the father but through him. (within the caveat of my signature) My position is true, of course, and everybody else is wrong.

Okay, we have been here before.
Truth is no different than God. It is a complex abstract.
So I don't claim those. I just state my beliefs and test those against the objective, social and individual parts of the everyday world.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

If you haven't done anything to earn someone's trust, don't be surprised when they don't trust you.

True, unfortunately.
And also very sad for the person who lives life in distrust of everyone.

I like to approach people in the exact opposite way by saying: Trust. And if your trust is abused, walk away. In the end, the weight of that breach of trust is not yours [to bear]; it’s theirs.

Humbly,
Hermit

 

[Twilight Hue]

Isn't it then strange other people critique something that personal of people they don't fully know?

That because some claims or open public pronouncements tend to be off the wall or in cases intended for debate inviting whatever criticism applies.

 

[DharmaCatLamp]

Over time there has been experience of trying to be understanding toward people of other faiths and non-believers.

My experience is that if you try to tell non-believers that you are on their side, often they tell, " you can't say that because your religion say different, condemning of non-believers.

So then one try to use the belief to explain ones stands on different issues. Then the reply is "your religion is evil, harrasment, wrong, ignorant and so on.

So no matter how one try to explain. There wil never be a satisfying answers. Because people look always for fault in everything said.

I wonder if silence is better.

(This tread is not an complaining or judgment, only an observation and a wonder how to react)

You just have to go with what you got. People are always looking to define their in group and out group and you can never truly win if your desire is to convince other people.

A lot of mystics embrace the idea of silence because the truth is truly beyond communication. Part of the reason I have so many different books from so many different religions is that I think they are all pointing to the same thing but it is so beyond us that you will never actually be able to put it into words. Teachings offer you a basis but they will never offer you the whole truth.

Neitzsche said in his essay On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense " Every word immediately becomes a concept, in as much as it is not intended to serve as a reminder of the unique and wholly individualized original experience to which it owes its birth, but must at the same time fit innumerable, more or less similar cases—which means, strictly speaking, never equal—in other words, a lot of unequal cases. Every concept originates through our equating what is unequal"

I also have my favorite quote which I use far too often " The Tao the can be named is not the eternal Tao." You are always speaking in approximations and attempting to convey meaning of ideas. You have to rely on people being able to translate your ideas from your words. The problem with that is obvious, someone can always mistranslate your words. They can misunderstand you.

Everyone has a narrative and a perspective. You can only allow your actions and your intent to try and show them that you mean well. Holy books are full of ideas and you will never find someone who doesn't bring their own meaning to the words within them whether they are the words of Krishna, Christ or Baha'u'llah. What you must do is make peace with that and make peace with yourself.

You will never be without fault, you will never be able to communicate the full truth. You must just strive to do the best you can.

 

[Vinayaka]

Isn't it then strange other people critique something that personal of people they don't fully know?

But it's not personal, it's right out there for all to see. If a person says he's a member of any faith, that tells us quite a lot about him.

 

[Vinayaka]

True, unfortunately.
And also very sad for the person who lives life in distrust of everyone.

I like to approach people in the exact opposite way by saying: Trust. And if your trust is abused, walk away. In the end, the weight of that breach of trust is not yours [to bear]; it’s theirs.

Humbly,
Hermit

That's an important distinction. Do we start with a position of trust, or a position of distrust? It definitely says a lot about each person. Of course there is middle ground too, or 'wait and see'. It is often wise to be cautious.

 

[Spirit of Light]

But it's not personal, it's right out there for all to see. If a person says he's a member of any faith, that tells us quite a lot about him.

Yes it is a personal belief. So if this person tries to be understanding toward those of other belief or no belief.
How come it seem to be wrong no matter what the person says?

 

[Vinayaka]

Yes it is a personal belief. So if this person tries to be understanding toward those of other belief or no belief.
How come it seem to be wrong no matter what the person says?

It's the doctrine. If you live in Sweden, I can safely assume you abide by Swedish law. It's a fair assumption that Christians believe in Christ.