questfortruth
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How transexual could change sex without changing XX into XY chromosomes?
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Subduction Zone
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Transexualism is about gender.
questfortruth
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Please, what is gender? How it is different from sex?
Not really for the OP but for anyone else interested:
Gonadal sex and chromosomal sex are two independent and equally applicable sex characteristics. A sex change specifically addresses the former, gonadal sex.
Gonadal sex and chromosomal sex are two independent and equally applicable sex characteristics. A sex change specifically addresses the former, gonadal sex.
questfortruth
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What is outlook for science to change the chromosomal one?
Subduction Zone
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One's sex refers to one's plumbing. One's gender refers to how one expresses sexuality. Transexuals usually do not feel like the sex that they were born with. But for better info you should ask some of our transexual members.
Subduction Zone
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There is no push or understanding on how to do that. Why would you think that that would be necessary?
There isn't. But there doesn't need to be. We don't use chromosomal testing to sex people either before birth or after birth generally. Legal sex change is based off gonadal sex.
questfortruth
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perfection. Perfect transsexualism.
questfortruth
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The science would disagree. The science studies brain to make transition from human to machine. Why not then to female body?
Subduction Zone
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There does not appear to be a need for such "perfection".
questfortruth
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A mere chromosome change would be insufficient. One would still need surgery and certain organs would still be missing. Merely changing the chromosomes would do nothing to change that.
Is there a push for perfect cissexualism? If so, how has that turned out?
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Perfection is a myth. And pursuing it is a recipe for disaster. Think of perfection like a lighthouse. It's a very useful object to steer a course by, and around, but it is disastrous to steer a course directly at.
I don't understand why some people cannot seem to grasp the fact that human beings are complex organisms, made immensely more complex by having complex intelligence, rather than some basic assemblage of instincts.
Are you your body, and nothing more? Are you your mind, and nothing more? Are you both? Or neither? What happens if your mind has a perception different than what your physical body expresses?
I happen to be the owner of a body with the usual male bits (which shall remain nameless, in the interest of prudery), and I also happen to see myself (this is the mind working) as a male. For me, fortunately, there's a fit. (The fact that I happen to be gay has nothing to do with that. That's another matter.)
But I have known people who were similarly equipped, but who just "knew" (in their own minds) that the equipment was mis-applied, didn't fit, wasn't supposed to be there, because they felt as female as any woman ever did.
Now, I can't fully grok that. I can try to imagine, to empathize, but I'll never truly "get it." But I can accept that that is how they feel. I can do that because I have been thought of, because I'm gay, as "wanting to be a woman" because I like men. But I know how I feel (and you don't). That has never been true.
The "person you are," the real you, in my view, is a thing of the mind. If you lose a finger, or a foot, or develop a growth, or lose your hair or grow a moustache or paint your nails don't alter the person you are.
We have the advantage, here on RF, of mostly not being able to see one another, and so we accept each other as we present ourselves. I've been surprised to learn, from time to time, that some members I've assumed are the gender they present themselves as are actually equipped with unmatching sexual apparatus. When I learn that, what should I think? Should I think their gender has changed? Well, I don't. I take them at their word -- I believe them to be who they present themselves to be.
Are you your body, and nothing more? Are you your mind, and nothing more? Are you both? Or neither? What happens if your mind has a perception different than what your physical body expresses?
I happen to be the owner of a body with the usual male bits (which shall remain nameless, in the interest of prudery), and I also happen to see myself (this is the mind working) as a male. For me, fortunately, there's a fit. (The fact that I happen to be gay has nothing to do with that. That's another matter.)
But I have known people who were similarly equipped, but who just "knew" (in their own minds) that the equipment was mis-applied, didn't fit, wasn't supposed to be there, because they felt as female as any woman ever did.
Now, I can't fully grok that. I can try to imagine, to empathize, but I'll never truly "get it." But I can accept that that is how they feel. I can do that because I have been thought of, because I'm gay, as "wanting to be a woman" because I like men. But I know how I feel (and you don't). That has never been true.
The "person you are," the real you, in my view, is a thing of the mind. If you lose a finger, or a foot, or develop a growth, or lose your hair or grow a moustache or paint your nails don't alter the person you are.
We have the advantage, here on RF, of mostly not being able to see one another, and so we accept each other as we present ourselves. I've been surprised to learn, from time to time, that some members I've assumed are the gender they present themselves as are actually equipped with unmatching sexual apparatus. When I learn that, what should I think? Should I think their gender has changed? Well, I don't. I take them at their word -- I believe them to be who they present themselves to be.
Treatment is first of all legal, then cosmetic and chemical, not genetic.
Why? We just try to make them comfortable. Its the same that you would do for someone with skin burns or a missing limb. Sometimes people are unable to perceive themselves as they are physically. For example they can be unable to perceive anything on their left side or unaware of the activities of a hand. There are a lot of ways that various perception problems can happen, but when someone is not able to perceive themselves as male or as female in contrast to their XY or XX genes: they are experiencing gender dysphoria. This is a dangerous condition and for which there is no known cure. Since the dysphoria cannot be cured, the symptoms are treated. We try to preserve the person's mental self, try to help them not to crack up. Its that simple. They have trouble perceiving themselves, and there is no cure.
Sometimes the easiest treatment is a legal change of identity. Its as simple as changing the sex on their identity papers. Allowing them to change their legal identity may be enough to help them get through life and to cope with the dysphoria. It lets them live more like the person they perceive themselves to be.
Here is a link about it from the Mayo Clinic:
What you need to know about being transgender
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Gender is about identity or what a person most closely identifies with. Sex is about a person's assigned chromosomal designation. They don't always match up neatly into a binary vision of the world.
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