How was HatHor, the Golden One, Lady of Dendera?

[River Sea]

@Tamino

How was HatHor, the Golden One, Lady of Dendera?
What does that mean Golden One?
What all has HatHor connected with people that their souls never left Egypt?

 

[River Sea]

I looked online:

Who is the lady of Denderah?

Nebetiunet (“Lady of Dendera”; a title of the goddess Hathor) was a princess of the Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt, a daughter of Pharaoh Thutmose III and his Great Royal Wife Merytre-Hatshepsut.

My responds:

I'm learning more about Thutmose III

So Thutmose III has a daughter name Nebetiunet, "Lady of Dendera"

I found this
HYMN TO THE GODDESS SEKHMET "House of Flame", one of the Shrines the Temple of Hathor at Dendera

Transcribe video

HYMN TO THE GODDESS SEKHMET
from the "House of Flame", one of the Shrines in the Temple of Hathor at Dendera (Dendara III 164-165)

"Salutations to You, O Eye of Ra in the Palace,
the Uraeus Whose fire is great,
Sekhmet the Great-one,
the Uraeus of Ra,
She Who protects all the Gods,
the Lady of the golden sistrum and of the faience,
the Lady of the the sistrum of turquoise,
the Lady of drunkenness,
the Lady of bread,
the Lady of beer.

We sacrifice cattle and geese for Her,
the Uraeus and the Lady of Punt.
We fumigate with incense for Her,
we sacrifice geese and oryxes for Her,
the Beautiful-one,
the Lady of honey and of the grape juice,
we please Her Kȝ-spirit, it is the truth.

She is the Sovereign of the Divine messengers,
She Who sends the Divine messengers,
and They do not seize Her citizens.
The Lady of the Sky and the Sovereign of the Earth,
the Eye of Ra on His forehead,
the Lady of transformations on the forehead of Him Who created Her,
the shining Uraeus and the Lady of the Horizon,
the Powerful-one,
the Beloved-one of Ptah,
the Female Who raises an army,
the Sovereign in the Sky,
no one is equal to Her,
Life and Death are under Her authority,
the Daughter of Ra, She is His double,
the wife Who leads the husbands,
the beautiful maiden of Ra,
no one opposes Her among the Gods,
She is the Queen of the Sky, of the Earth, and of the NetherWorld, of waters and hills,
there is no region that does not know Her name.
Gods and Goddesses are worshipping You,
the crew of Ra is Your retinue.
May Mut, Sekhmet, Bastet, Outo, and Shesemtet protect the son that They love, the King of Upper and Lower Egypt, the Lord of the Two Lands, the beloved-one of Hathor the Lady of Dendera"

 

[Tamino]

I was talking about the Goddess, not the princess.
"Lady of Dendera" and "Gold" or "Golden One" are common titles of Hathor.

The hymn you found there is beautiful, but it entirely centers on Sekhmet, who is arguably an alternate form of Hathor... but by many considered a different goddess

 

[River Sea]

I was talking about the Goddess, not the princess.
"Lady of Dendera" and "Gold" or "Golden One" are common titles of Hathor.

The hymn you found there is beautiful, but it entirely centers on Sekhmet, who is arguably an alternate form of Hathor... but by many considered a different goddess

we sacrifice geese and oryxes for Her,

@Tamino

https://www.facebook.com/AmentetNeferetEgyptianReligion/posts/1008927089136004

we sacrifice cattle and geese for Her

How come in many religions they sacrifice animals, and are these sacrifices similar in many religions, such as sacrificing cattle and geese, to Sekhmet?

The hymn you found there is beautiful, but it entirely centers on Sekhmet, who is arguably an alternate form of Hathor... but by many considered a different goddess

How was Sekhmet arguably and alternately from Hathor, and what caused people to consider Sekhmet a different goddess? What are the differences from Sekhmet and Hathor that they'd considered?

 

[Tamino]

Your mind works in weird ways, my friend, but I appreciate your active and questioning brain.

So. Let me see

How come in many religions they sacrifice animals, and are these sacrifices similar in many religions, such as sacrificing cattle and geese, to Sekhmet?

Sacrifice is a common way of creating a relationship with the divine in many cultures.
Animals, especially domesticated animals, have long been a valuable resource for humans and as such, they are also a high quality offering for the gods.
Egyptian offerings were often redistributed to the humans after being presented on an offering table, and not burned at all. In Greece and Rome, parts of the sacrificial animal were usually burned on the altar, while the meat was eaten by the humans. So there may be differences in the way a ceremony was conducted, but the general idea was fairly similar.

How was Sekhmet arguably and alternately from Hathor, and what caused people to consider Sekhmet a different goddess? What are the differences from Sekhmet and Hathor that they'd considered?

In the "Book of the Celestial Cow", it is clearly said that Sekhmet came into being when Hathor fell into a blood frenzy after killing rebellious humans. According to this text, Hathor transforms into Sekhmet.
However, in other texts and hymns no mention is made of this connection between the two, or Sekhmet may be seen as the wilder form of Bastet.
You need to understand that in Egyptian mythology, the limits between deities are not that clearly defined. They constantly transform into each other or get syncretized, or get split up in different forms and manifestations.

 

[River Sea]

Your mind works in weird ways, my friend, but I appreciate your active and questioning brain.

So. Let me see


Sacrifice is a common way of creating a relationship with the divine in many cultures.
Animals, especially domesticated animals, have long been a valuable resource for humans and as such, they are also a high quality offering for the gods.
Egyptian offerings were often redistributed to the humans after being presented on an offering table, and not burned at all. In Greece and Rome, parts of the sacrificial animal were usually burned on the altar, while the meat was eaten by the humans. So there may be differences in the way a ceremony was conducted, but the general idea was fairly similar.


In the "Book of the Celestial Cow", it is clearly said that Sekhmet came into being when Hathor fell into a blood frenzy after killing rebellious humans. According to this text, Hathor transforms into Sekhmet.
However, in other texts and hymns no mention is made of this connection between the two, or Sekhmet may be seen as the wilder form of Bastet.
You need to understand that in Egyptian mythology, the limits between deities are not that clearly defined. They constantly transform into each other or get syncretized, or get split up in different forms and manifestations.

@Tamino

Please give detail why you think my mind works in weird ways.

Do you eat the sacrifice animals?

On Oct 11, 12, is it, the Jews are sacrificing animals, let me reference?

Here it is:

When for year 2024 goats are killed for sins of Israel, Yom Kippur 2024 Friday, October 11 Saturday, October 12, [10 Tishrei 5785]: which means goats run off of mountains—it's called Yom Kippur.
Each year this takes place and this year it's October 11 and October 12.

The 10th day of Tishrei, 5785 on the Jewish calendar is Yom Kippur, or the Day of Atonement

It's called Yom Kippur

@Tamino you wrote

You need to understand that in Egyptian mythology, the limits between deities are not that clearly defined. They constantly transform into each other or get syncretized, or get split up in different forms and manifestations.

So the transform

the deities transforms

I just hope that any religion that sacrifices these animals eats these animals and uses every area of the animal

I think @paarsurrey was claiming that the Persians stop sacrificing animals

I don't sacrifice animals when I go to light and drink from light

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala do people in India sacrifice animals

This will be my sloppy message

How come I don't need to do anything when I go to light as I can allow light teach me how to feed from light in my situations

where when I read from other religions it seems they need to do stuff, why is that?

so to form quick questions

1. Do you eat the animals that you sacrifice?
2. What causes the deities needing the sacrifices for
3. How come I can drink from light allowing light teach me how without needing to sacrifices animals
4. What is it about my mind you think is weird, will you please give details so I can take a look at this

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

Your mind works in weird ways, my friend, but I appreciate your active and questioning brain.

So. Let me see


Sacrifice is a common way of creating a relationship with the divine in many cultures.
Animals, especially domesticated animals, have long been a valuable resource for humans and as such, they are also a high quality offering for the gods.
Egyptian offerings were often redistributed to the humans after being presented on an offering table, and not burned at all. In Greece and Rome, parts of the sacrificial animal were usually burned on the altar, while the meat was eaten by the humans. So there may be differences in the way a ceremony was conducted, but the general idea was fairly similar.


In the "Book of the Celestial Cow", it is clearly said that Sekhmet came into being when Hathor fell into a blood frenzy after killing rebellious humans. According to this text, Hathor transforms into Sekhmet.
However, in other texts and hymns no mention is made of this connection between the two, or Sekhmet may be seen as the wilder form of Bastet.
You need to understand that in Egyptian mythology, the limits between deities are not that clearly defined. They constantly transform into each other or get syncretized, or get split up in different forms and manifestations.

I am myself, not clear as to the philosophy behind animal or human sacrifice. One possibility is that this was just a social system to share the meat of the sacrificial animal but I think there may be a deeper psychic influence. In the Hindu system it is said that when an animal is sacrificed, the god take the soul and leave the body for the human beings. But how God would take a soul is beyond my comprehension, and I would very much like input from all the members on this point.

 

[River Sea]

Sacrifice is a common way of creating a relationship with the divine in many cultures.
Animals, especially domesticated animals, have long been a valuable resource for humans and as such, they are also a high quality offering for the gods.
Egyptian offerings were often redistributed to the humans after being presented on an offering table, and not burned at all. In Greece and Rome, parts of the sacrificial animal were usually burned on the altar, while the meat was eaten by the humans. So there may be differences in the way a ceremony was conducted, but the general idea was fairly similar.

@Tamino

At least people eat the animals, and you were claiming that Egyptian offerings were often redistributed to the humans, so that means that humans eat the animals.

So basically it's Greece and Rome who do the sacrificial and not the Egyptians. I learned that Jews sacrifice animals even to this day.

The next time Jews will kill animals as a sacrifice is on October 11 and 12 of this year.
I hope the Jews will eat the goats after they sacrifice

I hope I did better this time asking

I still don't understand why you think my mind is weird, and I still want to know the details of why you think this.

 

[Tamino]

@Tamino

At least people eat the animals, and you were claiming that Egyptian offerings were often redistributed to the humans, so that means that humans eat the animals.

So basically it's Greece and Rome who do the sacrificial and not the Egyptians. I learned that Jews sacrifice animals even to this day.

All of them usually ate the animals. The Greek and Romans only burned head, bones and some intestines, while the main part of the meat was taken away for the humans to eat.
A complete holocaust, or burning of the entire sacrifice, was rare.

The next time Jews will kill animals as a sacrifice is on October 11 and 12 of this year.
I hope the Jews will eat the goats after they sacrifice

I am not familiar with Jewish festivals ... they also have different types of offering and I don't know what and how the celebrate in October

I hope I did better this time asking

I still don't understand why you think my mind is weird, and I still want to know the details of why you think this.

Because you tend to focus on a single word or phrase and then you want to know all about it.
That means that you jump from one topic to an entirely unrelated one all the time.

 

[Tamino]

I am myself, not clear as to the philosophy behind animal or human sacrifice. One possibility is that this was just a social system to share the meat of the sacrificial animal

I think that is the basic idea, yes: a sharing of precious food. Not just among humans, but also between humans and deities.
This is how you establish and maintain a positive relationship.

The human sacrifice, on the other hand, is usually an extreme measure. Some cultures killed criminals or prisoners of war as human sacrifices - this carries the idea of establishing justice or showing the rulers power for the honor of the gods.
In other cases, a human life was offered as the most precious gift available.

But it is extremely difficult to give any general explanations here... the theology behind different types of sacrifices can have a lot of nuance in different cultures. A closer look at a single culture would give you a better insight, I think.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

All of them usually ate the animals. The Greek and Romans only burned head, bones and some intestines, while the main part of the meat was taken away for the humans to eat.
A complete holocaust, or burning of the entire sacrifice, was rare.

I agree entirely.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

But it is extremely difficult to give any general explanations here... the theology behind different types of sacrifices can have a lot of nuance in different cultures. A closer look at a single culture would give you a better insight, I think.

@Tamino , I would like to know if there is a psychic interpretation to the sacrifice. It seems to me that the soul of the sacrificial animal or human continues to live after the sacrifice and somehow that soul provides some benefit to the gods. I am trying to understand what could be the possible relationship between the soul of the sacrificial animal and the gods? I think there is more to it than what I can understand.

 

[Tamino]

@Tamino , I would like to know if there is a psychic interpretation to the sacrifice. It seems to me that the soul of the sacrificial animal or human continues to live after the sacrifice and somehow that soul provides some benefit to the gods. I am trying to understand what could be the possible relationship between the soul of the sacrificial animal and the gods? I think there is more to it than what I can understand.

Interesting question. Once again, the only context I know in depths is the ancient Egyptian case.

Human sacrifice is known from two entirely different cases.
One, the killing (or suicide??) of people to be buried with the King or Queen in the Early Dynastic. Those lives were not sacrificed to a deity, they were killed so they could follow their ruler into eternity. According to current research, those people were of high solcial status - a royal court, rather than a bunch of servants.
Two, the murder of prisoners of war in the New Kingdom. This is an offering of Ma'at: the king, as the ruler, defeats foreigners who are seen as a manifestation of chaotic forces, and thus ritually establishes order and safety in his country - as is his sacred duty. Again, neither the souls nor the blood of those people is the offering, but the removal of their life and agency.

In the Egyptian context, the animal sacrifice is actually more interesting. There's an interesting interpretation being discussed in Egyptology (note that this is one of several interpretations... it's not fact, it's just one way to interprete the sources, but it's plausible). They say that the Egyptians, who did not see a natural difference between humans and animals, always felt guilty about taking an animal's life. So they felt the need to justify eating it.
There are parts in ritual where the sacrificial animal is equated to Seth - thus making it an agent of chaos, whose killing is justified to reestablish order (=Ma'at). It's the exactly same justification as with the prisoners of war above.
The other, far more boring, aspect of animal sacrifice is the simple sharing of food. In Egypt, sacrificial animals are never sacrificed on top of the altar or in the sanctum of the temple - the blood and death would be considered impure. Not the death or the blood or the soul constitute the offering, but the meat and nourishment taken from it.
This is a direct contradiction to Greek practice, where the animal is led up to the altar and being killed right there, and its blood collected to be an offering. However, the Greeks also have that aspect of feeling guilty about killing animals: An animal being offered had to be in perfect health, and had to walk up to the altar on its own. If the animal tried to get away or showed signs of fear and stress, that was considered a very bad omen. So the Greeks clung to the idea that the animal somehow consented to being sacrificed and eaten. This type of animal sacrifice as a communal meal was also practiced in Greece whenever someone decided to slaughter one of their domestic animals, I think they considered it the 'right way' to kill a pig or cow.
The Jewish offering practice also has interesting aspects to it. Consider the prohibition of consuming blood, as this was seen as the seat of the soul, the ruah, and belongs to God alone. And consider the stories in the bible... Abraham having a calf slaughtered when the Angels come to visit, the Father having an animal prepared to be eaten when his lost son returns... those stories are not a simple matter of having a barbeque. They stress the importance of those visits - one does not kill an animal for a small occasion. Only a big show of hospitality, honored guests and the sharing of precious resources justifies such a meal.

So if you look at the deep seated psychological meaning of animal sacrifice, I personally think that feeling guilt about the killing, and justifying that violence by making it a sacred act, is a big part of it in several cultures.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

Interesting question. Once again, the only context I know in depths is the ancient Egyptian case.

Human sacrifice is known from two entirely different cases.
One, the killing (or suicide??) of people to be buried with the King or Queen in the Early Dynastic. Those lives were not sacrificed to a deity, they were killed so they could follow their ruler into eternity. According to current research, those people were of high solcial status - a royal court, rather than a bunch of servants.
Two, the murder of prisoners of war in the New Kingdom. This is an offering of Ma'at: the king, as the ruler, defeats foreigners who are seen as a manifestation of chaotic forces, and thus ritually establishes order and safety in his country - as is his sacred duty. Again, neither the souls nor the blood of those people is the offering, but the removal of their life and agency.

In the Egyptian context, the animal sacrifice is actually more interesting. There's an interesting interpretation being discussed in Egyptology (note that this is one of several interpretations... it's not fact, it's just one way to interprete the sources, but it's plausible). They say that the Egyptians, who did not see a natural difference between humans and animals, always felt guilty about taking an animal's life. So they felt the need to justify eating it.
There are parts in ritual where the sacrificial animal is equated to Seth - thus making it an agent of chaos, whose killing is justified to reestablish order (=Ma'at). It's the exactly same justification as with the prisoners of war above.
The other, far more boring, aspect of animal sacrifice is the simple sharing of food. In Egypt, sacrificial animals are never sacrificed on top of the altar or in the sanctum of the temple - the blood and death would be considered impure. Not the death or the blood or the soul constitute the offering, but the meat and nourishment taken from it.
This is a direct contradiction to Greek practice, where the animal is led up to the altar and being killed right there, and its blood collected to be an offering. However, the Greeks also have that aspect of feeling guilty about killing animals: An animal being offered had to be in perfect health, and had to walk up to the altar on its own. If the animal tried to get away or showed signs of fear and stress, that was considered a very bad omen. So the Greeks clung to the idea that the animal somehow consented to being sacrificed and eaten. This type of animal sacrifice as a communal meal was also practiced in Greece whenever someone decided to slaughter one of their domestic animals, I think they considered it the 'right way' to kill a pig or cow.
The Jewish offering practice also has interesting aspects to it. Consider the prohibition of consuming blood, as this was seen as the seat of the soul, the ruah, and belongs to God alone. And consider the stories in the bible... Abraham having a calf slaughtered when the Angels come to visit, the Father having an animal prepared to be eaten when his lost son returns... those stories are not a simple matter of having a barbeque. They stress the importance of those visits - one does not kill an animal for a small occasion. Only a big show of hospitality, honored guests and the sharing of precious resources justifies such a meal.

I don't think sacrifice can be explained in physical terms. Where I live in the Himalayas, there was a case of a village chief wanting to make a canal to bring water. Local people tell me that the canal was made but water would not flow. Then the chief had a dream and in the dream the goddess told him to sacrifice his son and he sacrificed his young son maybe about eight years old and after the sacrifice the water began to flow. This is a story that is even today celebrated in my village. So, there has to be a psychic interpretation of sacrifice. I can understand the sacrifice being sacrificial animal being buried with the king to assist him in his afterlife. But the sacrifice without a burial has to be for a different purpose rather than just meat. And I am not able to fathom it. Therefore, my question.

So if you look at the deep seated psychological meaning of animal sacrifice, I personally think that feeling guilt about the killing, and justifying that violence by making it a sacred act, is a big part of it in several cultures.

I think the feeling of guilt about killing does not make sense. Violence has is a very much a part of nature. The food cycle is entirely violent from amoeba to fish to humans and so forth. So, there is no guilt in killing for food. The land does not feel guilty not to humans about killing. I think there has to be a psychological explanation that I'm looking for.

 

[River Sea]

Because you tend to focus on a single word or phrase and then you want to know all about it.
That means that you jump from one topic to an entirely unrelated one all the time.

@Tamino

Thank you for explaining why you think I'm weird, so at least I understand what you meant when you think of me as weird. You explained that I focus on a single word or phrase and I want to know about it. And that causes me to jump from one topic to an entirely unrelated one all the time.

Your mind works in weird ways, my friend, but I appreciate your active and questioning brain.

I actually was hoping this thread would had been about Goddess, which is spirituality. Yet you claim I written about the princes instead.

I was talking about the Goddess, not the princess.
"Lady of Dendera" and "Gold" or "Golden One" are common titles of Hathor.

Example:
Yours is HatHor which is Goddess while others is Jesus which they have as God.

A person can look up a past person and learn about their history. You @Tamino would write often about the construction of Egypt and the history of the past people of Egypt and claim that Manu is only in Egypt. Then you @Tamino wrote about HatHor, and so because of that, I began a thread about HatHor so we could explore more, and so would you please write then more about Goddess then?

HatHor, the Golden One, Lady of Dendera ... and I totally didn't see that coming, I never liked Ancient Egypt all that much as a child. But then I travelled to Egypt and my soul never left again.

I would read a debate between you, @Tamino, and @Bharat Jhunjhunwala about where this story about Manu came from—is it either Indus Valley, India, or Egypt? When referencing Manu. @Bharat Jhunjhunwala claims from Indus Valley while you @Tamino claim from Egypt. Then you'll write about the different Pharaohs from the past from Egypt. I hadn't of yet read any spirituality from you @Tamino or had I missed it some how? Then you shown spirituality when you wrote

HatHor, the Golden One, Lady of Dendera ... and I totally didn't see that coming, I never liked Ancient Egypt all that much as a child. But then I travelled to Egypt and my soul never left again.

I notice people go to past people to attach to God/Goddess and claim God/Goddess.

I'm fine with that, as long as people allow others to go to others, meaning there's many ways to connect to God/Goddess.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala and I had written some of the Jealousies that could happened though, as people project these past people attaching to God/Goddess and how at times taking their Jealousies and influences in other territories of land. I'm using word influences due to @shunyadragon claiming that using word forced would equal to false. I question this because I'll use then only word influencing then, as that's more subjective, however when then is it forced?

I too can fall into this as well. Projecting Jealousies. So anything that I write about, I could look at myself too and ask had I ever done or will do. Because of this, I wish I would have included that too and added psychology to my writings. Because basically people are gods, and gods will form a god that they personalize that will represent them as a tribe. Sometimes this will form a jealousy and exclusions, so how could they include all while still with their God that's attach to past person. Jews would have David. Christians would have Jesus. You @Tamino would have Hathor. @Bharat Jhunjhunwala would have Brahman. Yet what I would hear from others are these Kings and how they influence their kingdoms to believe. So you @Tamino would write about Pharaohs then. Ask me anything about Egypt, and you shown about the Pharaohs and some constructions. Now you write, you don't mean princes you meant Goddess. As if I'm mistaken and made an error.

I was talking about the Goddess, not the princess.
"Lady of Dendera" and "Gold" or "Golden One" are common titles of Hathor.

So I actually was hoping to explore Goddess that you were referring about when you wrote yet and instead which is good for me to know, how I'm weird, at least you explained how I am: which is I focus on a word or phrase and want to know all about it. Here is you @Tamino showing about your soul never left Egypt. And about Hathor, reasons why I began this thread. Results I learned I'm weird and need to improve.

HatHor, the Golden One, Lady of Dendera ... and I totally didn't see that coming, I never liked Ancient Egypt all that much as a child. But then I travelled to Egypt and my soul never left again.

I allow light in me teach me in the midst of my situations, how to drink from light. That's how I sound. What I realized is I don't have any past people attach to light. That's the difference.

I go to light just as I am. I don't have to kill any human or animal.

All I do is allow in the midst of my thoughts and emotions. Maybe the closest I could claim that I do is more - I don't want to go find it - online someone claims don't fight thoughts, just let thoughts be and observe, well I think maybe that's the closest what I do is I don't fight, instead it's in the midst of, so then two things are going on, my thoughts and cycles through lights thoughts., this is through me allowing in the midst of and I drink from light.

Is there more then one perspectives then, is that's what's going on? Because in religion I notice a calculator, it reminds me of a kingdom, many in the past would do such and such to get rewards from the king, favor by the king, given a label "well done" says the king. As one would prostrate and or kneel to the king. Or to the Pharaoh. Or to what type of person in Indus Valley India, they're called what, in Sanskrit, @Bharat Jhunjhunwala plus what is Isha?

Great questions.

Heavenly Rewards are Spiritual Rewards that are Eternal. My writings will not make sense to the Natural Mind. You are Interpreting the meaning of Eunuch in a Natural Way. A Seed has a Kernel and Shell. Your Interpretation is the Shell.

This Christian Gnostic cannot be offended, so have no concerns there. Yeshua/Jesus has the Ability of a Sacrificial Animal given to Elohim/God. Yeshua/Jesus Transcends the Beast Man.

Lately I learned more about John the Baptist. Another past person.

I don't mind learning past people, I love psychoanalyzing

Oh @Elihoenai is gnostic. @Bharat Jhunjhunwala many times you share that you read about Sophia

The fact that Gnosticism is a modern world does not change the ground reality. The fact is that there is a spiritual version of the Hebrew, Christian and Islamic scriptures. In Hebrew the Gnosticism follows from the ten sefirot. In Christianity, Gnosticism is in Pistis Sophia. And in Islam it is in the Sufi traditions.

@Elihoenai what are your thoughts about Pistis Sophia

@Tamino what's your thoughts Goddess Hathor

Basically it feels as if I fail this thread about Hathor because I written about princess when @Tamino claims Goddess, then @Tamino claims I'm weird and it taken me a while to find out what is weird which is I focus on a word or phrase which causes me to be on more then one topic.

So share then about Goddess Hathor, as you claimed I fail at this due to princess of who?

Past people connects to help people connect to God or Goddess or both God Goddess or princesses: I do get angry though, I do. and then you called me weird. I had to find out what does that mean.

you brought past people to me just like others do, what do you expect then.
you describe past stories of kingdoms like everyone else does, and then claims a past person as a God,

Your mind works in weird ways, my friend, but I appreciate your active and questioning brain.

 

[shunyadragon]

I am myself, not clear as to the philosophy behind animal or human sacrifice. One possibility is that this was just a social system to share the meat of the sacrificial animal but I think there may be a deeper psychic influence. In the Hindu system it is said that when an animal is sacrificed, the god take the soul and leave the body for the human beings. But how God would take a soul is beyond my comprehension, and I would very much like input from all the members on this point.

Animal sacrifice was a part of the evolving nature of human religious ritual going back to the Neolithic. Human rituals and beliefs began as forms of animism, and evolved to anthropomorphic polytheism, human and reincarnated Gods. The cultures evolved to Revelation anthropomorphic Monotheism and in the Orient to abstract spiritualism. Beliefs in some religions evolved into non-anthropomorphic unknowable God as in Islam and the Baha'i Faith. There is rise of atheism and agnosticism in recent history.

We spiritual evolve whether Gods exist or not.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

Animal sacrifice was a part of the evolving nature of human religious ritual going back to the Neolithic. Human rituals and beliefs began as forms of animism, and evolved to anthropomorphic polytheism, human and reincarnated Gods. The cultures evolved to Revelation anthropomorphic Monotheism and in the Orient to abstract spiritualism. Beliefs in some religions evolved into non-anthropomorphic unknowable God as in Islam and the Baha'i Faith. There is rise of atheism and agnosticism in recent history.

We spiritual evolve whether Gods exist or not.

I do not find an answer to my question as to what is the science behind animal or human sacrifice. I think we can let it rest here. Thanks for your patience.

 

[shunyadragon]

I do not find an answer to my question as to what is the science behind animal or human sacrifice. I think we can let it rest here. Thanks for your patience.

It is not as much anthropological science with an explanation, but simply the evolution of all the cultures of the world over time.

There is some basis in the human anthropological nature to "give up something in hopes to insure the prosperity of the whole."

 

[Elihoenai]

Lately I learned more about John the Baptist. Another past person.

I don't mind learning past people, I love psychoanalyzing

Oh @Elihoenai is gnostic. @Bharat Jhunjhunwala many times you share that you read about Sophia

I Am Christian Gnostic. Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is the Original Christian Gnostic indicated by Yeshua's/Jesus's Non-Slaughter of Animals. The Christian Gnosticism that Elohim/God has shown me is the Original Teaching of Yeshua/Jesus that has Differences from Traditional Christian Gnosticism.


What Did Gnostic Christians Believe?

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

It is not as much anthropological science with an explanation, but simply the evolution of all the cultures of the world over time.

There is some basis in the human anthropological nature to "give up something in hopes to insure the prosperity of the whole."

I think there is something to the statement that the gods take the soul and the humans take the meat. So, when a living animal or human being is sacrificed, the body is obviously taken by the human beings, but how the soul is taken by the gods. This I do not understand. If you have any thoughts, please do share. Thank you.