How We Can Rid Our World Of Evil

[74x12]

We can't what we can do is change ourselves

It's true. Finally we agree on something.

The evil that is in this world cannot be overcome easily. Until Christ returns; there will be evil.

 

[Skwim]

I didn't know you believed the Bible to be true.

I don't, but that doesn't prevent me from evaluating its claims in the context of the religious belief it supports.

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[joe1776]

Not obvious at all actually, considering that between 80% and 90% of child abuse occurs in the home environment involving relatives or those known to the family, and the majority of these individuals would not be regarded as being paedophiles.

It's obvious that children would live in a safer world if anyone who can be convicted of child molestation is never put back into the general population since there is no known cure and since these crimes are known to escalate in severity. There's no reasonable way for you to deny this.

The research issue also might not be a runner, in that most understanding is done by studying behaviour within the environment in which it occurs, even if it is rather unpleasant to do in this case.

I think overall, we are better trying to deal with bad behaviour in more inclusive ways - where those will then have some stake in being part of society. It is often the feeling of not being a part of society that produces criminal behaviour in the first place.

I'm not sure how you came by that premise. However, there's a lot of research being done in prisons already. My quarantine concept would enable the very same kind of research to be done more efficiently by providing more subjects with the same problem.

And it does tend to be a slippery slope condition - where do we draw the line as to what is 'bad' - and who defines this?

We're not redefining anything. If a person can be convicted of an act of child molestation, he or she would go to quarantine for life rather than go to prison, only to be released, uncured, back into the general population.

 

[joe1776]

I don't, but that doesn't prevent me from evaluating its claims in the context of the religious belief it supports.

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True, but when you use the Bible in debate, as you did here, you are using faith-based claims and not logical reasoning.

 

[Trackdayguy]

It's true. Finally we agree on something.

The evil that is in this world cannot be overcome easily. Until Christ returns; there will be evil.

sounds good.I agree with the first part of your comments. If Jesus returns where is he returning from Orbit. No sorry.

 

[shunyadragon]

We cannot ride the world of something that does not exist.

 

[joe1776]

We cannot ride the world of something that does not exist.

The perception of evil exists for most people. If it doesn't exist for you, you are a member of a minority group.

 

[tayla]

But evil is merely a perception. If we humans were to see sickness and not evil.

I think evil is more than merely fancy verbiage. When the human heart willfully desires to harm others, that is what evil is. Yes, there is a psychological component and the environment plays a role.

 

[Revoltingest]

Can't eliminate evil.
Just manage it better.

 

[joe1776]

I think evil is more than merely fancy verbiage. When the human heart willfully desires to harm others, that is what evil is. Yes, there is a psychological component and the environment plays a role.

I don't regard perceptions as "merely fancy verbiage." How we perceive things will determine how we treat them. That makes perceptions highly important.

But, I've made my argument as to why we should perceive sickness rather than evil. Do you have a counter-argument?

 

[joe1776]

Can't eliminate evil.

Why can't we change this perception? Societies make moral advances, like its view on slavery, the rights of women, the rights of homosexuals by changing perceptions.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Yes, men who are convicted of rape should be quarantined in a town with men only. How this should be done is just one of many new problems that a policy shift of this magnitude would entail.

My guess is that, at the beginning, existing, isolated towns would be adapted for this purpose on a trial basis.

Such a "town" populated with only men who are rapists would destroy itself quite quickly.

 

[Skwim]

True, but when you use the Bible in debate, as you did here, you are using faith-based claims and not logical reasoning.

Sure I did, although I'm not going to take time to point it out. Too many other issues to tend to.

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[joe1776]

Such a "town" populated with only men who are rapists would destroy itself quite quickly.

Why? Do you think there's a link between sexual perversion and incompetence in management?

 

[osgart]

Since everyone is to be taken on an individual basis, the hearts of mankind will often be different from person to person, sometimes common, but often never predictable as to what they choose to become.

Most people have only to work within their own circles according to their own plight and experience. How so few of the people are actually in a position to affect society on the whole.

Many people dont even recognize that they have a heart. Its defined otherwise how they feel.

Theres always going to be evil with mankind.

Tackling evil is a heart commitment.

One of the things i like about some religious language is that you can speak of matters of the heart. Instead people debate whether or not such things exist.

Personally im in favor of soul language. To tackle evil you have to reckon with people's hearts.

One thing that can be done is to start people out with the means of making their lives better. Eliminate desparation, and violence will decline.

 

[joe1776]

Since everyone is to be taken on an individual basis, the hearts of mankind will often be different from person to person, sometimes common, but often never predictable as to what they choose to become.

Most people have only to work within their own circles according to their own plight and experience. How so few of the people are actually in a position to affect society on the whole.

Many people dont even recognize that they have a heart. Its defined otherwise how they feel.

Theres always going to be evil with mankind.

Tackling evil is a heart commitment.

One of the things i like about some religious language is that you can speak of matters of the heart. Instead people debate whether or not such things exist.

Personally im in favor of soul language. To tackle evil you have to reckon with people's hearts.

One thing that can be done is to start people out with the means of making their lives better. Eliminate desparation, and violence will decline.

When we humans abolished slavery in the nations of the world, it was because the commonly-held perception that there was nothing wrong with owning people of a lower caste changed and the changed-perception spread from mind-to-mind until the perception that slavery was OK was wiped out. That same sweeping change can happen if even one nation experiments with the quarantine-rather-than-punishment approach and it succeeds as I think it will.

 

[Thaif]

But evil is merely a perception. If we humans were to see sickness and not evil. We would think of quarantine and not punishment.

If evil is just a perception then who is to decide what is evil and what is not and thereby who get quarantined?

 

[Ponder This]

Violent offenders might be quarantined as well. A safer world is possible if we were to think of quarantine for dangerous sickness rather than punishment for evil

Ah, but how do you know you've quarantined the offenders before they offend?

 

[dianaiad]

If you and I are alike, we think of ourselves as morally superior to Adolf Hitler. We think it impossible that we could have done what he did. And yet, had we been born with the same genetic inheritance, raised in the same way, lived in the same era, and had the same experiences as he, it's not certain but it's very likely that we would have acted as he did, and most of the world would regard us as evil.

I doubt it. There were many men who were born with the same or similar genetic inheritances, raised the same way, and had experiences very like his. None of them did what he did.

 

[Baroodi]

I dont believe in the idea that, evil is genetically determined. this is against the principle of Divine justice.