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Meds can make many things go away. They can make pain go away. Pain isn't a delusion.
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Meds can make many things go away. They can make pain go away. Pain isn't a delusion.
DNB
Christian
If God is speaking to you He will make sure that you know it, so that His efforts will not be in vain, and so that you will be left without excuse as to whether you obey His voice or not.
Also, it depends on whether or not your epiphany aligns with the word of God - 'freeing humanity from their sufferings' sounds like you have a Messiah complex. Thus, uber delusional..
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rational experiences
Veteran Member
A man human isn't a God.
Father a man first not sex was a man then a father by human sex.
Not a theist for machine science.
Father's memories allow me to know what a lying baby man adult human theist is.
As he wasn't anything like you.
Man builds metal machine metal in deep earth space pressure higher pressures than rock.
Deep inside.
So all metal transmitters first is exact a machine.
It's how the sun brought forth a fake conjured melded transmitted machine too.
By man it's inventor.
Man builds machine. Man ually puts physical in machine to change it.
Science.
Theories as I change mass radiation now accrued more becomes past. He doesn't theory future.
Father a man first not sex was a man then a father by human sex.
Not a theist for machine science.
Father's memories allow me to know what a lying baby man adult human theist is.
As he wasn't anything like you.
Man builds metal machine metal in deep earth space pressure higher pressures than rock.
Deep inside.
So all metal transmitters first is exact a machine.
It's how the sun brought forth a fake conjured melded transmitted machine too.
By man it's inventor.
Man builds machine. Man ually puts physical in machine to change it.
Science.
Theories as I change mass radiation now accrued more becomes past. He doesn't theory future.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Alternatively, "Take a hike!", literally. There are many stories of people who are "called" and ran from it. God insisted on them doing their job and it did its job in convincing them. If you want to know whether you are called, get yourself swallowed by a fish for three days or a similar challenging mission. If you survive, there's a chance you're not as delusional as people tell you.
Heyo
Veteran Member
That piece of music exists. It is called "Imagine" and was written by a guy called "John Lennon", you may have heard of him. Alas, it didn't work as intended.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Basic advice human equals human when you think. You see observe know. Isn't a theory. You know first.
Then you choose I want. What you want not real.
Then you choose I want. What you want not real.
@Xavier Graham
In my religion, everyone is "called" to a different vocation by God.
Each of us is a unique and irreplaceable link in a great chain of being, a bond of connection between persons. We are all called to be prophets in our own time, place and capacity, and to be holy.
There is something that God wants each one of us to do, a task, that he has not given to another person.
Discernment and becoming attentive to conscience, a good listener to one's own heart, is key to finding oneself and discovering the providential part that we are to play in the divine plan.
For many, most of us, our vocation will not result in our becoming famous or a great influencer. Think of it more like the ripple of a pebble in a pond but consider that it leaves a ripple that matters. We all leave a ripple.
My humble advice (for what it's worth!) is that you strive to live your life and live your best one, and whatever you are "called" to do you will discover in the midst of daily life, in the doing and living. Don't dwell on grand visions or look for signs of your calling.
As for therapy - I think we could all do with a bit of therapy. You've taken a very good step brother. I wish you well.
In my religion, everyone is "called" to a different vocation by God.
Each of us is a unique and irreplaceable link in a great chain of being, a bond of connection between persons. We are all called to be prophets in our own time, place and capacity, and to be holy.
There is something that God wants each one of us to do, a task, that he has not given to another person.
Discernment and becoming attentive to conscience, a good listener to one's own heart, is key to finding oneself and discovering the providential part that we are to play in the divine plan.
For many, most of us, our vocation will not result in our becoming famous or a great influencer. Think of it more like the ripple of a pebble in a pond but consider that it leaves a ripple that matters. We all leave a ripple.
My humble advice (for what it's worth!) is that you strive to live your life and live your best one, and whatever you are "called" to do you will discover in the midst of daily life, in the doing and living. Don't dwell on grand visions or look for signs of your calling.
As for therapy - I think we could all do with a bit of therapy. You've taken a very good step brother. I wish you well.
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an anarchist
Your local loco.
I will be bigger than John Lennon
Your medical qualifications to make such a statement and claim it as true... please?
I will advise that you are playing with peoples lives giving advice like that without knowing the patient or the reason for medication
PureX
Veteran Member
It seems that whenever we humans think we are being told by God to do something, we end up wrecking havoc. And the reason for this is that we use this divine dictum as an excuse to forgo reason, and proportion, and DOUBT. We stop questioning ourselves, and checking ourselves, and judging our actions as to how they effect other people. And this is a very bad mind-set for any of us to fall into. Because we become very foolish, and even dangerous. Presuming ourselves to be ordered by God is in effect just a way of conferring upon ourselves God's own righteousness. And that is something that we do not have, and never will have. And if we presume ourselves to have it, we become insane.
@Xavier Graham, you already know that your mind is not working properly, and as a result is producing these delusions of divine dictum. So STOP ENTERTAINING THEM. They are lies. Deceits. They are phony. God is not giving you any orders. It's just your mind acting the fool. Ignore it.
The only calling any of us are getting from God is the call to embody the divine spirit within us. The spirit of love, forgiveness, kindness and generosity. And even in this we all will fail, often. Because it's difficult to know how to choose the more positive path in specific circumstances. And because we can so easily become frightened and confused, and therefor selfish and inconsiderate of others. It happens. But we keep at it. And we do get better at it, in time, if we keep at it.
And that's it. It's no big secret. No thunderous messages from the sky, or from burning bushes, or holy books, or even noises in your head. It's just common wisdom that's available to all of us. And that we can choose to follow, or not. Because that's how God rolls in real life. He lets us choose our own path. No holy dictum.
@Xavier Graham, you already know that your mind is not working properly, and as a result is producing these delusions of divine dictum. So STOP ENTERTAINING THEM. They are lies. Deceits. They are phony. God is not giving you any orders. It's just your mind acting the fool. Ignore it.
The only calling any of us are getting from God is the call to embody the divine spirit within us. The spirit of love, forgiveness, kindness and generosity. And even in this we all will fail, often. Because it's difficult to know how to choose the more positive path in specific circumstances. And because we can so easily become frightened and confused, and therefor selfish and inconsiderate of others. It happens. But we keep at it. And we do get better at it, in time, if we keep at it.
And that's it. It's no big secret. No thunderous messages from the sky, or from burning bushes, or holy books, or even noises in your head. It's just common wisdom that's available to all of us. And that we can choose to follow, or not. Because that's how God rolls in real life. He lets us choose our own path. No holy dictum.
A score for atheiem i think?
Mark Charles Compton
Pineal Peruser
A highly educated and intellectually diverse population is hard to control. If they are highly susceptible to suggestion via being kept ignorant, predictions based on the understandings of physics/mathematics can appear prophetic or supernatural to them. The reverence gained from such displays of mastery over the material world grants the wielder a tremendous level of control and manipulation over their subjects. Such as convincing them that they are doomed to eternal damnation or that they are specially elected regardless of how benevolently or malevolently they behave.
I recently had this thought that I've been mulling over, it's sort of a 'retcon' to the crucifixion that I've dreamt up. I hope you find my muddled ramblings interesting, if not entertaining!
If you ask me, what Jesus brought to the general populace, were simply the allegorical teachings that had been passed and kept hidden by people within positions of power. The words he shared to the commoners (swine) in the street, were considered the deepest meanings (pearls) and metaphors that had been contrived by very crafty and intelligent humans. Due to their attributes, these distinct individuals often found their way into rulers' courts through different sects such as "the mysteries" "seers" "alchemists" and the like who focused on keeping their ways in secrecy. Jesus angered very dangerous and powerful people when he acted as a whistle blower regarding some of their highest treasures, many of which were allegorical to human understanding of mathematics and physics in its infancy. The priests then use methods of suggestion and manipulation, basically gas-lighting the public back into favor with them and successfully sentence Jesus to capital punishment, but the damage he caused had been done and their actions only accomplished exalting him to the status of martyrdom.
I recently had this thought that I've been mulling over, it's sort of a 'retcon' to the crucifixion that I've dreamt up. I hope you find my muddled ramblings interesting, if not entertaining!
If you ask me, what Jesus brought to the general populace, were simply the allegorical teachings that had been passed and kept hidden by people within positions of power. The words he shared to the commoners (swine) in the street, were considered the deepest meanings (pearls) and metaphors that had been contrived by very crafty and intelligent humans. Due to their attributes, these distinct individuals often found their way into rulers' courts through different sects such as "the mysteries" "seers" "alchemists" and the like who focused on keeping their ways in secrecy. Jesus angered very dangerous and powerful people when he acted as a whistle blower regarding some of their highest treasures, many of which were allegorical to human understanding of mathematics and physics in its infancy. The priests then use methods of suggestion and manipulation, basically gas-lighting the public back into favor with them and successfully sentence Jesus to capital punishment, but the damage he caused had been done and their actions only accomplished exalting him to the status of martyrdom.
Mark Charles Compton
Pineal Peruser
I don't see it as advice so much as an opinion, one that should probably be kept to oneself, due to the sensitivity of the topic.
Usually, if someone is seeing professional or medical help for a psychological disorder, it's because they or someone near to them has detected them showing symptoms of severe distress or illness, mentally and even physically. They need some kind of help, if medication is the only verifiable option, I say it's the best until we find better.
I will agree with you that some people are on medications unnecessarily, due erroneous diagnosis of symptoms and sometimes from an incomplete understanding of a medication's effects. Our pharmaceutical and psychiatric sectors have dubious track records that is without question, however they are by far a better option than the track record we had without them. There are many youngsters in my area who have told me they're interested in getting degrees in these fields, which makes me a little more hopeful for the future. Together, perhaps we can figure out better ways to alleviate the problem.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. Now here’s mine.
Once upon a time in my youth and heyday I began to ‘sense’ all was not right with society and humanity. I didn’t believe in God anymore then. I became obsessed and seized by emotions to ‘save the world’. I observed there was no real love between people. Religions were divided and against one another. Yet I thought ‘we are all humans so this can’t be right’.
I wanted a loving world and saw no good reason for hatreds and prejudices but as I felt so helpless and hopeless to do anything about it, I decided I didn’t want to live in a world without love. So then began my first of 6 suicide attempts from wrist slashing to sleeping pills. I was in and out of psychiatric hospitals, given strong drugs and eventually 6 courses of electric shock treatment. Whenever I saw the psychiatrist and mentioned the world needed love I was grabbed and tranquillised and put in a strait jacket. I was diagnosed as a ‘chronic schizophrenic with a question mark’. That’s what my file had written on it.
They did save my life but I still wanted to change the world.
At that time my mother was too afraid to take me back home so some friends from my previous job put me up in their home. They were Baha’is but didn’t tell me about their religion. I found out later. When I moved back home a real nice couple lived above us. I was curious what religion they were as they treated me kindly but never preached to me. So one day I said you are not Christians because you haven’t tried to convert me what is your belief? Then they told me they were Baha’is.
Then began a journey, little be known to me in which dreams beyond my wildest expectations would come true. I discovered that Baha’is believed the old world was dying and a new world was being born, one of love and unity which they were building.
To my astonishment and amazement I discovered something too beautiful for words to express - Baha’u’llah. He was the Promised One foretold in all the major faiths Who had come to unite the world!!
And then my despair was transformed into blissful joy. I had found my ‘home’. I would take part in a stupendous venture to rejuvenate and spiritually revitalise humanity. How I felt in my darkest of times was true. My greatest wish and desire to help change the world a dream come true. 48 years later I am a joyful happy person full of hope and joining with Baha’is to help establish the oneness of humanity. Happily married to another Baha’i lady for 44 years and now thanks to the Baha’i teachings encouraging education got a university education and am a registered counsellor.
I went through so much suffering and deep trauma but I would willingly go through it a hundred times more to find what I did. There IS light at the end of the darkest of pitch dark tunnels.
I hope for you that you will find joy and happiness too. But if I was not put in hospital or given medications I might not have lived so please do not neglect medical treatment.
syo
Well-Known Member
Nah.
On a thread like this with vulnerabilities it can be seen as advisory.
I speak to a schizophrenic several times a day and must be very careful on what i say so as not to trigger a negative reaction.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
I. Gave. No. Advice.
Do you honestly believe everyone is diagnosed correctly?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Lots of kids have been put on meds for just being kids.
You didn't answer my question, what are your medical qualifications that you can suggest/advise that anti psychoticics cause delusion?
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
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Malcolm Gladwell on Joy, Gates and the Beatles -- and on stage
Are you sure you didn't mean to say, "I want to be bigger than John Lennon"?
And I ask, how much do you know about the Beatles? They were featured in a book called, "The outliers". Basically, early in the Beatles career, they played live more than virtually any band anywhere.
Malcolm Gladwell on Joy, Gates and the Beatles -- and on stage
The Beatles ended up travelling to Hamburg five times between 1960 and the end of 1962. On the first trip, they played 106 nights, of five or more hours a night. Their second trip they played 92 times. Their third trip they played 48 times, for a total of 172 hours on stage. The last two Hamburg stints, in November and December 1962, involved another 90 hours of performing. All told, they performed for 270 nights in just over a year and a half. By the time they had their first burst of success in 1964, they had performed live an estimated 1,200 times, which is extraordinary. Most bands today don't perform 1,200 times in their entire careers. The Hamburg crucible is what set the Beatles apart.
So, you'll need to really get up to speed on your musical skill, and get out there, booking gigs at a phenonomal rate in order to be bigger than John Lennon.
Are you sure you didn't mean to say, "I want to be bigger than John Lennon"?