How would you respond to seeing a same-sex couple kissing/ or holding hands ?

[psychedelicsoul]

The point is that Jesus loved and accepted people unconditionally, so he wasn't a bigot or a homophobe.

Shame on the hypocritical Christians who don't follow his example.

but just because he accepted people doesn't mean he supports their actions.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

but just because he accepted people doesn't mean he supports their actions.

Accepting people means not judging them, something some Christians seem incapable of doing.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

Accepting people means not judging them, something some Christians seem incapable of doing.

disapproving isn't the same as judging

 

[Rick O'Shez]

disapproving isn't the same as judging

Hmm. So where in the New Testament does Jesus "disapprove" of gay men and women? Did he say: "Love thy neighbour, but only if they're straight?"

 

[Sand Dancer]

Yea... but anyone of any political orientation can do that. Jesus didn't really talk that much about government.

I don't see much of that going on for those of one particular party in our country...

 

[Sand Dancer]

but just because he accepted people doesn't mean he supports their actions.

If Jesus knew what we know now, he would not be anti-gay.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

Hmm. So where in the New Testament does Jesus "disapprove" of gay men and women? Did he say: "Love thy neighbour, but only if they're straight?"

The idea that we need to reject the teachings of the other apostles is unbiblical. Plus, homosexuality could count as "fornication" since fornication is a umbrella term, "porneia" which refers to all sorts of sexual immortality.

but like I said, you can love your neighbor without approving of his actions

 

[psychedelicsoul]

If Jesus knew what we know now, he would not be anti-gay.

Wasn't he supposed to be the son of god? Or god in the flesh?
If he isn't, then who gives a **** what he thinks

My beliefs are more akin to the Dalai Lama
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Dalai-Lama-Speaks-on-Gay-Sex-He-says-it-s-wrong-2836591.php

 

[Sand Dancer]

Wasn't he supposed to be the son of god? Or god in the flesh?
If he isn't, then who gives a **** what he thinks

My beliefs are more akin to the Dalai Lama
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Dalai-Lama-Speaks-on-Gay-Sex-He-says-it-s-wrong-2836591.php

Depends on who you ask. He was human and back then, no humans knew much about sexuality. He had a clearer view of what it was to be godly, so he's a great teacher and role model, but so was Buddha, Gandhi, etc DL's opinion is coming from a Buddhist monk, and they are to be celibate, so his view is that celibacy is often a positive experience. God gave us our sex drives, so why should we deny those experiences? Sure, fasting for a few days is good, but over time, it isn't. If someone wants to be celibate, fine, but it should never be forced on someone.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

Depends on who you ask. He was human and back then, no humans knew much about sexuality. He had a clearer view of what it was to be godly, so he's a great teacher and role model, but so was Buddha, Gandhi, etc.

The thing is that I'm not anti-gay, I just believe it's not good spiritually.

And I support peoples freedom even if they are homophobes

 

[Sand Dancer]

The thing is that I'm not anti-gay, I just believe it's not good spiritually.

And I support peoples freedom even if they are homophobes

I'm curious what gay people would say if you ask if homosexuality hurts their spiritual walk. Since you are not gay, how could you be a good judge of that?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Depends on who you ask. He was human and back then, no humans knew much about sexuality.

You mean religious fanatics didn't know much about it. The Classical and Ancient world was a lot smarter than we typically like to pretend. But it was all destroyed, much of it by rampaging Abrahamic fanaticism. We're still in the process of relearning things. Much has been irretrievably lost.

 

[Sand Dancer]

You mean religious fanatics didn't know much about it. The Classical and Ancient world was a lot smarter than we typically like to pretend. But it was all destroyed, much of it by rampaging Abrahamic fanaticism. We're still in the process of relearning things. Much has been irretrievably lost.

I like your point. Any books I can read to learn more about that?

 

[psychedelicsoul]

I'm curious what gay people would say if you ask if homosexuality hurts their spiritual walk. Since you are not gay, how could you be a good judge of that?

I figured that by examining religions. These religions condemned it for a reason, and if religion was made by man, homophobia predates religion.

And when I became ex-bi I felt so much better. So at least of me it is.
Do you think I encourage severe self-harm to children just for the sake of it?

 

[psychedelicsoul]

You mean religious fanatics didn't know much about it. The Classical and Ancient world was a lot smarter than we typically like to pretend. But it was all destroyed, much of it by rampaging Abrahamic fanaticism. We're still in the process of relearning things. Much has been irretrievably lost.

Yea... the Classical and Ancient world also practiced pederasty, slavery, human sacrifice and other sick ****.

The pre-christian world was just as sick and evil as any Abrahamic extremist religion.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I figured that by examining religions. These religions condemned it for a reason, and if religion was made by man, homophobia predates religion.

And when I became ex-bi I felt so much better. So at least of me it is.
Do you think I encourage severe self-harm to children just for the sake of it?

Religions are all man made, so why believe one group of people over another? God is how he/she is, no matter what a group believes.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I like your point. Any books I can read to learn more about that?

I'm overtired, but you can start with sites like this:
http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/index.htm
http://jesusneverexisted.com/ (You may disagree with the author's opinion on the existence of Jesus as a historical person, but it provides a good rundown of unsanitized Christian history, nonetheless.)

Islam was/is just as nasty to the peoples it conquered. Muslims did the same thing that the Christians before them did when they took over - looted, vandalized, committed cultural genocide, enslaved, etc. (The Islamic conquest of India is a striking example, with tens of millions killed and enslaved, and the Dharmic religions being brutally repressed.)

It all goes back to mimicking what the fanatical Hebrews did - by Yahweh's command - in the Hebrew Bible.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yea... the Classical and Ancient world also practiced pederasty, slavery, human sacrifice and other sick ****.

Sure, no one is innocent. However, you also have to remember that those cultures were largely wiped out and victors are known to rewrite history to make those they conquered into pariahs and invent or exaggerate atrocity stories. The Romans did it with the Druids, for example, with all that crap about human sacrifice and such. The Spanish most likely exaggerated or made up the accounts of Mesoamerican human sacrifice, too.

The pre-christian world was just as sick and evil as any Abrahamic extremist religion.

Laughable.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I figured that by examining religions. These religions condemned it for a reason, and if religion was made by man, homophobia predates religion.

Only the Abrahamic religions, certain sects of Hinduism and Buddhism and related sects and some new religious movements (like Scientology) look down on homosexuality. Most of the world's religions don't care too much about it or even celebrated it in various ways. Hating homosexuality is a minority opinion on the world's religious stage.

And when I became ex-bi I felt so much better. So at least of me it is.
Do you think I encourage severe self-harm to children just for the sake of it?

I think you have severe psychiatric issues and you are probably both a pathological sadist and masochist. You need professional help to sort out your many sordid issues. It may be caused by having a fundamentalist Christian upbringing and you never healed from it.

(I'm not judging you or trying to insult or anything like that - I have my own psychiatric issues. I'm telling you what I see and it worries me.)

 

[Robert.Evans]

I'm just pointing out the standard you have to live up to, if you're going to call homosexuality "unnatural". You must have about a dozen kids now, depending on your age.

You know, gay men sometimes have sex with women and lesbians sometimes have sex with men. I'm not talking about while being closeted, either. Sexuality is fluid that way. Humans are a sexually opportunistic species. We're too curious to only have hetero or homo sex and relationships.

Your God, maybe. But not my God. My religion doesn't have any restrictions. I can do whatever the hell I want and my God just smiles at my creativity in "sinfulness".

Considering HIV is still prevalent in gay men, I think women and gay men would be beyond stupid to do such things.