Humans Are...

[ΩRôghênΩ]

Read the Poll and answer

 

[Opethian]

Lol! To think there are people out there that think we are "sacred beings" and "the highest creation of god"... :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

We're just smart(occasionally) meatbags! Get over it.

Vanity...

 

[michel]

"other". We humans are a complex vehicle specially made to work as an interface between our souls and the rest of humanity, in this lifetime.

Without the Soul, there is just dead meat.

 

[Mike182]

i voted "other"

i would say human beings are not meant to be classified and categorised

 

[Draka]

"Humans" I see as being defined differently. Looking at the physical side I do not believe we were "created", but evolved. The soul is what I believe is a part of the Divine, which every living thing has a portion of. I do not think we are any more or less special than just about anything else out there. We just ARE.

 

[Opethian]

Without the Soul, there is just dead meat.

So you would claim that without some sort of soul, the human body would not function as it does now?

 

[standing_on_one_foot]

Lol! To think there are people out there that think we are "sacred beings" and "the highest creation of god"... :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

We're just smart(occasionally) meatbags! Get over it.

Vanity...

Any particular reason you can't be both?

"Keep two truths in your pocket and take them out according to the need of the moment. Let one be 'For my sake the world was created.' And the other: 'I am dust and ashes.'"

I put sacred for the sake of ourselves, although it's not really what my answer would be, but it fit best. I do think that human life is sacred and peace is a worthy goal, whether or not there is a G-d (I favor the theistic side, myself, though I'd still hold that opinion even if I didn't). But, we are still smart meat, blood, and bones floating on a rather lovely damp rock through space. Which is, I think, actually a neat thing to be.

 

[ΩRôghênΩ]

that was ......

 

[ΩRôghênΩ]

and yes i voted that we are the highest creation. so please, dont come in here and tell me that im wrong like you or I would know. we all have our own beliefs

 

[Sunstone]

I'm not sure how one gets from the notion there is no god or soul to the notion that we are mere meatbags. It seems to me that's a juvenile leap.

Furthermore, it seems to me that some things, such as love and beauty, are good in and of themselves, rather than dependent on an indifferent cosmos for their value. The mere fact these things are impermanent is no real argument against their value. A thing good in and of itself need not be permanent to have value. If breathing were good in and of itself, we would see this truth in every breath taken and exhaled.

A thing need not be a means to an end for it to have value, just as life need not be a means to salvation for life to have value. So, I disagree with this assumption that humans can be reduced to mere meatbags if there are no gods nor souls. When you first take off your clothes, you might think you are reduced to nothing, but that is an illusion: you have merely been focused on clothing, rather than at looking at all that you are even without your inessential clothes.

 

[Bishka]

I voted we are the sacred beings, the highest creation of God.

Why?

I believe we are all spirit children of our Father in Heaven and that makes us VERY sacred.

 

[ΩRôghênΩ]

wow, that was pretty amazing

 

[ΩRôghênΩ]

im going to use that in a philosophical discussion

 

[Mike182]

I voted we are the sacred beings, the highest creation of God.

Why?

I believe we are all spirit children of our Father in Heaven and that makes us VERY sacred.

obviously without saying you are wrong for holding such a belief, i strongly feel that we are where we are through evolution, and humanity (like everything else) will continue to evolve, adapt, adjust and better ourselves through further evolutionary stages..... in short, i do not think we are the finished product

 

[Bishka]

obviously without saying you are wrong for holding such a belief, i strongly feel that we are where we are through evolution, and humanity (like everything else) will continue to evolve, adapt, adjust and better ourselves through further evolutionary stages..... in short, i do not think we are the finished product

No, we aren't exactly the finished product, but to become the finished product we need to be perfected, and we become perfected through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour.

 

[Abram]

Meatbag! What a funny word...:biglaugh:

I don't think we can comprehend what we are. Becky has the right idea here in that we're unfinished, a work in progress. Until our time in this world is over and we can look back at the whole picture we're blind to the entire truth.
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[sparc872]

I'm not sure how one gets from the notion there is no god or soul to the notion that we are mere meatbags. It seems to me that's a juvenile leap.

Furthermore, it seems to me that some things, such as love and beauty, are good in and of themselves, rather than dependent on an indifferent cosmos for their value. The mere fact these things are impermanent is no real argument against their value. A thing good in and of itself need not be permanent to have value. If breathing were good in and of itself, we would see this truth in every breath taken and exhaled.

A thing need not be a means to an end for it to have value, just as life need not be a means to salvation for life to have value. So, I disagree with this assumption that humans can be reduced to mere meatbags if there are no gods nor souls. When you first take off your clothes, you might think you are reduced to nothing, but that is an illusion: you have merely been focused on clothing, rather than at looking at all that you are even without your inessential clothes.

Wow...what a perfect post!

 

[Majikthise]

In the great dark between the stars there are clouds of gas and dust and organic matter. Dozens of different kinds of organic molecules have been found by radio telescopes. The abundance of these molecules suggests that the stuff of life is everywhere. Perhaps the origin and evolution of life is , given enough time, a cosmic inevitability. On some of the billions of panets in th Milky Way Galaxy, life may never arise. On others ,it may arise and die out, or never evolve beyond it's simplest forms. And on some small fraction of worlds there may develope intelligences and civilizations more advanced than our own.

Carl Sagan , One voice in the cosmic fugue/ COSMOS

 

[niceguy]

Smart meatbags... Well there may be a higher purpose for us and all that as well but that doesn't change the fact that we are smart meatbags... well maybe not smart but still meatbags.:eat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX-9M3dQQz0&search=jazz

 

[Opethian]

Any particular reason you can't be both?

Sure, if you consider the entire universe as "sacred", because it is so beautiful how something like this can develop entirely on its own, without any divine interference. Then you could say that we too are "sacred", as in, a marvel of the grandness of how this universe works from schale to schale. However, to say that we are the highest creation is vanity and arrogance imo. I really see no difference between me and the matter of which my desk table is made, apart from the fact that I am organised differently.

and yes i voted that we are the highest creation. so please, dont come in here and tell me that im wrong like you or I would know. we all have our own beliefs

I just think it's a bit vain and arrogant to select that option. How can you say we are the highest creation? The only thing we really excell at is thinking and communication (which is part of the former). I'd rather say we're the most destructive creation (well you know I don't believe we were created, but I'll just use the wording here like in the poll). If there's any species on this planet that will cause the earth to become uninhabitable by life again, I think it's us. But maybe that's just a natural part of a larger schale evolutionary cycle. One species that is so potentially destructive that one day, it will clear the way for life on earth to restart its entire development, and in an entirely different way, because of the randomness factor involved in evolution, and different earth conditions and circumstances. Maybe we should be called the highest decreators?

I'm not sure how one gets from the notion there is no god or soul to the notion that we are mere meatbags. It seems to me that's a juvenile leap.

I would've put it another way: We are just matter and energy interacting with other matter and energy.

Furthermore, it seems to me that some things, such as love and beauty, are good in and of themselves, rather than dependent on an indifferent cosmos for their value.

I don't see how anything at all can be good in and of itself. Good and bad are subjective.