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Humans Aren't Supposed to Eat Dairy
- Thread starter Rival
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Maybe not, but there's a lot of things we're not supposed to do. Being opportunists, we do them anyway: fly in airplanes; ride in wheeled vehicles; drink alcohol; smoke cigarettes; farm. Our natural state is to be hunter-gatherers and scavengers. Some things we're not "supposed" to do are either beneficial, harmful or neutral.
Some populations have evolved over the last dozen millenniums or so to consume dairy.
(I know "millennia" sounds better, but "millenniums" is standard.)
(I know "millennia" sounds better, but "millenniums" is standard.)
Dairy products have been part of the human diet for thousands of years. It seems that several hundred generations of our ancestors didn't get the memo of "you aren't supposed to do that."
If we want to make an argument about foods we are not "supposed" to eat, a far better case can be made for industrial foods (aka, processed foods) that are maybe a century old or less.
If we want to make an argument about foods we are not "supposed" to eat, a far better case can be made for industrial foods (aka, processed foods) that are maybe a century old or less.
The way I see it is that everyone's body is different. Some people are not able to process dairy and others can. There's also personal discretion and conscience when it comes to what is right for them or wrong. There really isn't anything universal which says humans are not meant to eat x, y, or z.
For example, like I said in your other thread, I still eat dairy, but I have greatly limited it over the past couple of years. Yet, being of Western European descent, I am fully able to process dairy with no issue. Versus, say, a Native American or East Asian who, statistically, wouldn't be able to process it as easily if at all.
TL;DR: Everyones dietary needs are different and it's up to personal conscience to determine what is best for them.
For example, like I said in your other thread, I still eat dairy, but I have greatly limited it over the past couple of years. Yet, being of Western European descent, I am fully able to process dairy with no issue. Versus, say, a Native American or East Asian who, statistically, wouldn't be able to process it as easily if at all.
TL;DR: Everyones dietary needs are different and it's up to personal conscience to determine what is best for them.
Asses our biology and what we appear made/evolved to eat. What we can better chew, digest, etc. Our biology is far closer to that of herbivores, for example. No other animal really eats/drinks milk products after weaning. Over 70% of humans cannot digest milk properly and there is zero evidence that milk in any form is good for us. A major problem is that most of the 'studies' done have been funded by the dairy industry to forward their profits.
Humans are animals just like other animals and we have a set diet.
Who says you're not supposed to? We've been consuming milk for over 5,000 years as I can tell. It mostly evolved with proto-Celtic and Germanic cultures, and they are the only ones that have the adaptation that allowed the digestion of it. It was an important survival function in northern climates with limited sun vitamin D deficiency was a real problem. If you didn't drink milk in those areas you probably died.
If we go on genetics then if you have north-to-central European ancestry you are adapted to consume milk, so "supposed to" is irrelevant as your body is completely adapted to do so. We could argue that not drinking milk or consuming milk products, in this case, would be an unnatural diet for you.
If we go on genetics then if you have north-to-central European ancestry you are adapted to consume milk, so "supposed to" is irrelevant as your body is completely adapted to do so. We could argue that not drinking milk or consuming milk products, in this case, would be an unnatural diet for you.
I would say that for many people, some dairy products - in moderation - are healthy, and some are not. My MD, who pays a lot of attention to diet, thinks that our basic diets have been weakened, and that a lot of folks have unhealthy gut flora. In her opinion, yogurt is a good way to keep a healthy gut flora population.
C'mon Quint, you know this is a terrible argument. Humans have been doing plenty of things for thousand of years that have been detrimental. Some people eat poisonous fish, for example.
Also, we know that most people would be uncomfortable if not outright disgusted by drinking human breast milk past weaning. But why? Why does the west prefer cow or goat milk? Why not dog milk, horse milk, or human milk? It is simply a social conditioning to make us think milk drinking or cheese eating is normal.
Saying that we have been doing it for thousand of years is like saying, "well humans liked to own slaves for thousands of years, I guess they just didn't get the memo that you weren't supposed to."
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Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
We're supposed to when we're infants. And we can because we produce lactase during that time.
Even if the majority of people stop producing lactase around 5-7 years, some people have a lactase persistence and can digest lactose into adulthood.
We don't need it when we're adults, but there's no natural law that says that we're not supposed to. Who decided this rule if this is true?
Nature is what nature does.
Were are not "suppose" do do anything. If you are talking about how we evolved, then we evolved the ability to digest milk into adult hood. Does that mean we are "suppose" to do that? That term has no meaning in the context of evolution.
Should we drink milk? Is it good for our health? Good question, perhaps we should choose not to. But you also have to understand that there have been some human populations that could not have survived without this particular genetic adaptation. That is why natural selection favoured it. If it was not a beneficial adaptation it would not have been so strongly selected for (and yes, in some populations it was strongly selected for).
The ability to digest milk in adulthood is a recent adaptation, but recent or not it is still evolution. If our evolutionary history is your basis for saying we are "suppose" to be herbivores, then this reasoning supports the consumption of milk. But I think that form of reasoning is flawed, science is descriptive, not prescriptive. We are not "suppose" to do anything.
-Stats show that countries with the lowest dairy intake have the lowest rates of osteoporosis and milk drinking can actually increase your risk of bone fracture.
-Non-organic milk is linked to all sorts of bad things like acne, cancer, increased mucus, poop problems and so on.
-Humans are not calves.
- Cow milk is full of growth hormones designed to make heifers, which the human body definitely does not need.
-Cow milk contains 3 times more protein than what a human needs, this actually creates disturbances in the metabolic process which is actually linked to bone problems.
And this:
Undoubtedly, the biggest irony is that milk is thought to increase calcium loss from our bones. How? When humans consume any type of animal-derived, protein-rich foods, including milk, the pH in our bodies become acidified, and this sets off a biological reaction. Calcium actually neutralizes acid in our body, and most of the calcium is stored in our bones. When acidified animal protein is ingested, the calcium from our bones is drawn out to neutralize the effects of the toxic animal protein. After the calcium does its job cleaning up the mess, it is then excreted through the kidneys via urine, thus leading to a calcium deficit.
-Non-organic milk is linked to all sorts of bad things like acne, cancer, increased mucus, poop problems and so on.
-Humans are not calves.
- Cow milk is full of growth hormones designed to make heifers, which the human body definitely does not need.
-Cow milk contains 3 times more protein than what a human needs, this actually creates disturbances in the metabolic process which is actually linked to bone problems.
And this:
Undoubtedly, the biggest irony is that milk is thought to increase calcium loss from our bones. How? When humans consume any type of animal-derived, protein-rich foods, including milk, the pH in our bodies become acidified, and this sets off a biological reaction. Calcium actually neutralizes acid in our body, and most of the calcium is stored in our bones. When acidified animal protein is ingested, the calcium from our bones is drawn out to neutralize the effects of the toxic animal protein. After the calcium does its job cleaning up the mess, it is then excreted through the kidneys via urine, thus leading to a calcium deficit.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
We're not "supposed" to eat salt or sugar either. Or spices. Or meat. Or fat. Or dirty water. Or distilled water. Or fried food, cooked food, or raw food. And we shouldn't breathe too much oxygen... Some vitamins you shouldn't take with other vitamins because they will counteract each other. And so on... Are we, humans, even "supposed" to be here? There's no answer to that.
When it comes to dairy, I can agree drinking it doesn't have the health benefits that used to be believed. But it's very important for cooking, or making yogurt, cheese, and other things, that are just... mmm... yummy. Not sure I'd want a society where we're "supposed" to eat nutrient rich cardboard.
When it comes to dairy, I can agree drinking it doesn't have the health benefits that used to be believed. But it's very important for cooking, or making yogurt, cheese, and other things, that are just... mmm... yummy. Not sure I'd want a society where we're "supposed" to eat nutrient rich cardboard.
Okay, wait. Is this thread just about cow milk, or is it really about all dairy products? I'm confused.
Citation, please?
Citation, please?
Obviously, but don't see how this is relevant?
Does not apply to all types of milk production; these production methods are very novel and did not exist for most of human history and some producers still use traditional methods.
Citation please?
I was on about dairy in general, however most dairy products in the west (at least) are produced using cow milk. Milk is the basis of dairy products.
So, we should eat it...cos it tastes nice? Lol, just no.
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You could take away all the milk you want to but don't touch
My Ice Cream, Soft Vanilla cherry dipped, Coffee Milkshake or ice cream soda. I have never found a dessert to match. I've tried those fruit drinks they are not the same.
My cheese, You can't eat a hamburger without it. Lasagna, Manicotti my two favorite Italian foods. I process them exceptionally well.
My Coquito, If you had it you know why.
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Cheese cake
Cheese bread
Mac and Cheese
Egg Nog with or without the rum
GoodbyeDave
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Obviously the first humans were not evolved to drink animal milk: try catching a wild cow, let alone milking it! But milk-drinking communities have evolved tolerance to cows' milk: that is, over the millennia they gave it to their children and those that were intolerant died out. The same thing happened with alcohol.
Personally I've never drunk milk, which I hate, but I eat cheese every day and it hasn't killed me yet. Since I eat very little meat, that's my main source of protein. The question of hormone and antibiotic contamination doesn't apply in my case as (1) I don't live in the USA and (2) I buy organic anyway.
The sensible rules in eating and drinking are (1) moderation in all things and (2) a little of what you fancy does you good.
Personally I've never drunk milk, which I hate, but I eat cheese every day and it hasn't killed me yet. Since I eat very little meat, that's my main source of protein. The question of hormone and antibiotic contamination doesn't apply in my case as (1) I don't live in the USA and (2) I buy organic anyway.
The sensible rules in eating and drinking are (1) moderation in all things and (2) a little of what you fancy does you good.