Humans have more worth than other animals?

[Ashoka]

Humans are animals. We share the earth with other animals. Yet, some believe that humans have more inherent worth than other animals. I'm curious to y'all's opinions. What do you believe, how do you see it?

I see us all as sharing the same earth and having the same worth. We aren't any better than any other animal on earth. Having a hierarchy has hurt us, as we abuse animals and put them in factory farms. We see them as less, so mistreating them isn't that big of a deal.

Thoughts? Am I totally wrong? Right? Lemme know!

 

[SalixIncendium]

All life is sacred. As far as quality of life is concerned, humans have no more worth than any other animal.

 

[Secret Chief]

Putin vs a butterfly. Just sayin'

 

[Secret Chief]

Humans are animals. We share the earth with other animals. Yet, some believe that humans have more inherent worth than other animals. I'm curious to y'all's opinions. What do you believe, how do you see it?

I see us all as sharing the same earth and having the same worth. We aren't any better than any other animal on earth. Having a hierarchy has hurt us, as we abuse animals and put them in factory farms. We see them as less, so mistreating them isn't that big of a deal.

Thoughts? Am I totally wrong? Right? Lemme know!

Totally right.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Humans are animals. We share the earth with other animals. Yet, some believe that humans have more inherent worth than other animals. I'm curious to y'all's opinions. What do you believe, how do you see it?

I see us all as sharing the same earth and having the same worth. We aren't any better than any other animal on earth. Having a hierarchy has hurt us, as we abuse animals and put them in factory farms. We see them as less, so mistreating them isn't that big of a deal.

Thoughts? Am I totally wrong? Right? Lemme know!

I'm against brutality and get as upset as PETA, but also realize we are part of the food chain/cycle of predator and prey, so I am not against quick humane methods to get our food and pursuing alternatives like culture meats.

 

[ChristineM]

Humans are animals. We share the earth with other animals. Yet, some believe that humans have more inherent worth than other animals. I'm curious to y'all's opinions. What do you believe, how do you see it?

I see us all as sharing the same earth and having the same worth. We aren't any better than any other animal on earth. Having a hierarchy has hurt us, as we abuse animals and put them in factory farms. We see them as less, so mistreating them isn't that big of a deal.

Thoughts? Am I totally wrong? Right? Lemme know!

In my eyes you are right

 

[Heyo]

Humans are animals. We share the earth with other animals. Yet, some believe that humans have more inherent worth than other animals. I'm curious to y'all's opinions. What do you believe, how do you see it?

I see us all as sharing the same earth and having the same worth. We aren't any better than any other animal on earth. Having a hierarchy has hurt us, as we abuse animals and put them in factory farms. We see them as less, so mistreating them isn't that big of a deal.

Thoughts? Am I totally wrong? Right? Lemme know!

There is no such thing as inherent worth. Worth, or value, is a human construct. We put it on things and we do so arbitrarily. There is no objective method to come to the conclusion that humans have more worth than animals - or the same.
So, you are not right, you are not even wrong.

 

[PureX]

To other humans, yes.

 

[SalixIncendium]

To other humans, yes.

I see we're just answering questions in thread titles.

Thank you for answering for all humans. Just think of how much time everyone could save by just having you respond to everything on behalf of all of us.

 

[Revoltingest]

From the other thread is this issue....
Suppose you have a chance to save your child or
pet dog from death. Would you treat them equally?

This came up because of objection to using K9s
for police work. Some claim it's wrong to put
dogs in danger.

 

[SalixIncendium]

From the other thread is this issue....
Suppose you have a chance to save your child or
pet dog from death. Would you treat them equally?

This came up because of objection to using K9s
for police work. Some claim it's wrong to put
dogs in danger.

You're comparing apples to oranges. If I impregnated my wife, and she gave birth to a puppy, I think it would be kind of a toss-up between the human child and the canine one.

 

[PureX]

I see we're just answering questions in thread titles.

Thank you for answering for all humans. Just think of how much time everyone could save by just having you respond to everything on behalf of all of us.

I think it's appropriate that humans consider other humans more important/valuable than other life forms. Just as other life forms would do of their own, if capable.

Idealism is all well and good, but we don't live in an ideal universe. We live in a universe where life forms compete with, and even eat other life forms to survive. So that in such a universe, I think it wise to keep ideals as ideals, and not as actual commands.

Does this reply better satisfy you?

 

[Revoltingest]

You're comparing apples to oranges.

It's an apt analogy, ie, apples & oranges are both fruit.
Is one fruit more valued than the other?

If I impregnated my wife, and she gave birth to a puppy, I think it would be kind of a toss-up between the human child and the canine one.

Let's consider the thread's title, & the context of the
posts in the other thread that gave rise to this one...
It was about whether putting dogs in danger is wrong.
This has nothing to do with the hypothetical of a human
whelping a puppy.

Do you think it's wrong to use K9s for the purpose
of making it safer for humans?

 

[SalixIncendium]

I think it's appropriate that humans consider other humans more important/valuable than other life forms. Just as other life forms would do of their own, if capable.

Idealism is all well and good, but we don't live in an ideal universe. We live in a universe where life forms compete with, and even eat other life forms to survive. So that in such a universe, I think it wise to keep ideals as ideals, and not as actual commands.

Does this reply better satisfy you?

Yes. Thank you.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Humans are animals. We share the earth with other animals. Yet, some believe that humans have more inherent worth than other animals. I'm curious to y'all's opinions. What do you believe, how do you see it?

My first allegiance is to other humans, then to other creatures similar to us and so on. Similarly my first allegiance is to family, then to friends, then to other humans. I could not care about everyone equally, not in practical matters. In an abstract sense I can care about all and consider all to be each other, but when it comes to decisions I favor some over others.

I see us all as sharing the same earth and having the same worth. We aren't any better than any other animal on earth. Having a hierarchy has hurt us, as we abuse animals and put them in factory farms. We see them as less, so mistreating them isn't that big of a deal.

Thoughts? Am I totally wrong? Right? Lemme know!

I believe you are wrong. We don't have the same practical worth. Animals have little concept of worth. It is almost entirely a human concept. Also we cannot treat everyone the same as it is impossible, so we must value some more than others. The responsibility upon us to preserve other life on earth is not something other species would be able to contemplate. Your statement also seems to ignore inherent human biases, and I can't accept that. As if you can truly count all lives as equal. Someone gets the life boats, first. Someone gets fed first. Someone gets medicine first. If you have any responsibility at all, then you have priorities; which means you must value some lives more than others. It is sad. Perhaps you cannot just accept that some things are sad and unfair, and they are sad and are unfair.

 

[SalixIncendium]

It's an apt analogy, ie, apples & oranges are both fruit.
Is one fruit more valued than the other?

Let's consider the thread's title, & the context of the
posts in the other thread that gave rise to this one...
It was about whether putting dogs in danger is wrong.
This has nothing to do with the hypothetical of a human
whelping a puppy.

Do you think it's wrong to use K9s for the purpose
of making it safer for humans?

Why are we bringing that discussion to this thread? I haven't read that thread or participated in that discussion.

But to answer your question, it depends on how you're interpreting "use." If you mean in a capacity where it brings imminent harm to the dog, then yes.

 

[Revoltingest]

I rank some animals (using the term to mean non-human)
above some people. Whales, & great apes are valuable.
Their survival is more valuable than the survival of some
humans IMO.
But I still see using K9s to make lives safer for humans
as ethical. Train them, use them, & don't mis-treat them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Why are we bringing that discussion to this thread? I haven't read that thread or participated in that discussion.

The OP & I were having that discussion.
He wisely thought an independent thread would be best.

But to answer your question, it depends on how you're interpreting "use." If you mean in a capacity where it brings imminent harm to the dog, then yes.

What if eschewing using K9s meant imminent harm to humans instead?
In this case, I favor sacrificing the K9 for the human.
But I see that choice as rare, rather than the general case.

 

[SalixIncendium]

What if eschewing using K9s meant imminent harm to humans instead?.

I would find an alternate means to protect the human. I find it morally questionable to sacrifice the life of a dog to save a human given the dog has no say in the matter.

Would you use a human to protect another human if the first human was unable to communicate their wishes?

 

[Nimos]

Humans are animals. We share the earth with other animals. Yet, some believe that humans have more inherent worth than other animals. I'm curious to y'all's opinions. What do you believe, how do you see it?

I see us all as sharing the same earth and having the same worth. We aren't any better than any other animal on earth. Having a hierarchy has hurt us, as we abuse animals and put them in factory farms. We see them as less, so mistreating them isn't that big of a deal.

Thoughts? Am I totally wrong? Right? Lemme know!

I don't think "worth" is the correct word here, I would personally use "respect". We are animals and therefore worth as much as all other beings, meaning all animals that live today are the ones that made it and clearly that deserve some respect given how easy lifeforms are killed as Earth history is prove of.

But as a seal probably doesn't eat a fish and think "What a worthless animal", I don't think the majority of humans think that either when we eat a hamburger or whatever.

I do not agree that mistreating animals is not a big deal, I think it is very much a big deal. And clearly humans could improve on this, no doubt about that. Especially how we treat animals in captivity. But for the most part, the way humans kill animals for consumption is probably one of the most humane ways in nature when done correctly. Its extremely fast and painless and in many cases the animal don't even notice it. Again let me stress, when it is done correctly!!.

Imagine a zebra or whatever getting eaten by a crocodile or hunted down by lions, I can only imagine that it is not particularly funny. But likewise, we don't think about crocodiles or lions as evil either, they as the zebra deserve respect.

Humans however have the capabilities to kill animals in very humane ways and to also treat them well. So when this is not done, that is a serious issue in my opinion, but eating animals in itself, I see no issues with. But again we have to treat them with respect, because they deserve it.