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Humour: A Means of Countering Tragedy?

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
I think that a lot of humour is a means of countering tragedy. In almost every joke or humourous story, they is tragedy. Without the tragedy, there is no joke.

Without tragedy, in a perfect world, could humour exist?

Is humour a human psychological safeguard against tragedy?

How did it evolve (for the evolutionists like me)?

If you don't agree, why does humour exist (especially looking from answers from other evolutionists).

I would theorize it as existing as a means of generating social togetherness, if I cannot choose the reaction to tragedy reason.
 

standing_alone

Well-Known Member
Druidus said:
Without tragedy, in a perfect world, could humour exist?

I don't think so. Without tragedy, you can't know humor - or at least appreciate it.

Druidus said:
Is humour a human psychological safeguard against tragedy?

I think that's a possibility. Humour can soothe the pain of tragedy. (Can you tell I'm pulling this all out my ***?) :D

Druidus said:
How did it evolve (for the evolutionists like me)?

I've no idea. I'm not smart enough to answer such questions. :D
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
Humour and sarcasm are coping devices for me.

When faced with ridiculous stereotypes and 'isms- sometimes the best thing to do is laugh.
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
Druidus said:
Without tragedy, in a perfect world, could humour exist?
Heck yeah! We'd just take a look at all the goofball animals in the world....And then after that we'd still have our own body parts to make us crack up....

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Is humour a human psychological safeguard against tragedy?
Most definitely....humor is a coping mechanism...and I thank God for it! I use it every freakin day! :D
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
standing_alone said:
I don't think so. Without tragedy, you can't know humor - or at least appreciate it.

Tragedy is often, but not always involved.

Isn't wordplay a form of humour? What's so tragic about it? And what's so punny about it anyway?

Humour stemming from the juxtaposition of things that have no business being linked also does not depend on tragedy. As in the Speaker of the House in a dress with a valise shaped like a fish. (Thank you, Cmdr. Data)

And Spoonerisms are also humours, but not terribly tragic. Well, maybe there's some tragedy in the perception that the Spoonerist looks foolish.

And what's so tragic about that blasted cranberry? It may be SCARY, but tragic??
 

Fluffy

A fool
I do not believe that humour is a counter to tragedy although it is true that many people who suffer some tragedy have a reaction similar to that of experiencing something humourous.

Humour is largely a product of the inadequacy of language and by that I mean both the thought process as well as the verbalisation. For example, "Three men walk into a bar.... OUCH!!!" is funny because the word "bar" has two meanings and so when people automatically assume its meaning to be "pub" the subsequent failure of the joke to live up to their expectations provokes humour. Additionally, the fact that many jokes start with some variation of "Three men walk into a bar..." whilst using the word "bar" to mean "pub" enhances this effect.

This method of explaining humour is especially important because it allows us to explain why something which was initially funny, loses its humour. This is because once we have heard the joke, our mind remembers the play on words so that next time we are told it subconciously our mind is thinking about the second meaning (even if it is long enough afterwards for our concious mind to have forgotten the joke) and so the expectation that the joke requires in order to be funny, fails to materialise in our mind. Similarly, the joke is far less funny when written down because when we read something that is familiar, our tendancy is to skip ahead meaning that we have read the punchline before we have had a chance to bring up the expectation. The same line of reasoning can be used to show why analysing a joke and explaining a joke equally lead to little humour.

Now what has this got to do with tragedy? Well essentially, when we are first confronted with tragedy, our brain is faced with the task of coping with reality. It is quite common to hear of people who have suffered a serious tragedy to break into fits of laughter and the reason for this is fairly similar to why we initially found a joke funny. The brain, when faced with something with a massive negative emotional interest, is quite likely to try and deny the reality of the situation either through repression or denial. However, it does not do this completely (most of the time) since we are still recieving sense information.

We now have a situation where the information we are getting from the outside world via our senses is being interpreted incorrectly by our brain which is similar to misunderstanding of the usage of the term "bar". The fact that the brain cannot block off reality completely (although it does sometimes such as when a person faints from shock) gives us the knowledge that our assumption is wrong which is similar to the punchline. This is almost identical to the reason why a person laughs when they are relieved about something.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Humor can be used in many ways and for various reasons.

When I had a hernia, the doctor loved that i brought him a tire patching kit to help get things right (I worked at Goodyear at the time).

When I had my hand surgery last year, the doctor was sorta/kinda amused by my "Toe Tag". He was also a bit taken aback by the graffiti on the "other" hand: NOT THIS ONE! STOP!!! It's the "other" right hand" along with others and all done in RED! :D My wife calls it "gallows humor" and it does help to put things into perspective.
 

onmybelief

Active Member
In my opinion you can not know what something is unless the opposite of it exists.

Heard this on a TV show once: "If darkness did not exist how would we be able to recognize the light?"
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
I don't think you always need tragedy to appreciate humor. I am fortunate enough to have a very good life and have had little tragedy. I appreciate humor very much. And daily.
 

standing_alone

Well-Known Member
Buttercup said:
I don't think you always need tragedy to appreciate humor. I am fortunate enough to have a very good life and have had little tragedy. I appreciate humor very much. And daily.

But the thing still is that since you know tragedy, you know that humor is opposite of it. It doesn't mean that for every tragic event you'll experience humor. You can experience more humor in your lifetime or more tragedy in your lifetime. But I stand by my claim that you still need to know and experience tragedy to know what humor is and appreciate the experience. Get what I'm trying to say (and terribly failing at)?
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
evearael said:
Humor can be a coping mechanism, psychological self-defense against things we are unable to face.

Yes. In a way, I think humour helps us put things in perspective, and assists in finding detachment when we're trying to deal with something negative we're trying to deal with.

I believe being able to laugh at myself is absolutely necessary for spiritual growth.

Just as Alice tries to think of one impossible thing every day, I try to find something to laugh at myself about every day.:biglaugh:
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
standing_alone said:
But the thing still is that since you know tragedy, you know that humor is opposite of it. It doesn't mean that for every tragic event you'll experience humor. You can experience more humor in your lifetime or more tragedy in your lifetime. But I stand by my claim that you still need to know and experience tragedy to know what humor is and appreciate the experience. Get what I'm trying to say (and terribly failing at)?

Who is there that doesn't know tragedy?
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
standing_alone said:
I understand that, but you can't appreciate humor if you've never known tragedy, for there would be nothing to juxtapose it to.
This begs the question then: Why do kids laugh at cartoons? Are they privy to some unheard of tragedy? Could it be that humor stands on it's own, and that the endorphins they create help us to cope with stressful situations?
 

evearael

Well-Known Member
Cartoons are often tragic. Lion King, Snow White, Finding Nemo all address some really scary topics and fears.
 

standing_alone

Well-Known Member
NetDoc said:
This begs the question then: Why do kids laugh at cartoons? Are they privy to some unheard of tragedy? Could it be that humor stands on it's own, and that the endorphins they create help us to cope with stressful situations?

I'm not saying that there's some one-to-one ratio of experiencing humor and tragedy. Sure, the humor can stand on its own, but also keep in mind what is tragic to children is often seen as trivial to adults. (And as I've already stated, just ignore me, I'm an idiot :D)
 
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