Hunter Biden indicted today on 3 federal gun charges

[Audie]

But even unconstitutional laws can be useful. I know you want things to be black and white in the legal world, but it just is not that way at all. I both know people that have gone through the system and follow quite a few cases off and on too. Ideally what the prosecutors want is justice. Not revenge. The people going after Hunter are doing so out of revenge.

Laws are never perfect so the justice system, ideally, interprets them liberally at times. Hopefully they do not screw up to often. But our prisons are already loaded, we cannot just keep stacking up the bad guys. It is better to find a way to get them to stop being bad guys.

Goodness. Instructing me on the obvious
and making up something you " know"
about me while never conceding that
violent crime is not your stated ( also made
up) "usual".

Who does that kind of nonsense remind you of.

 

[esmith]

Do you think they have evidence that Hunter was on drugs when he filled out the form?

If he was drugged out then it could be argued he did not have awareness of his offense. If he wasn't on drugs then who is to say he believed he was dedicated to be sober when he filled out the form?

Question on form
"Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside."
Pay particular attention to my highlighted section.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Witch hunt or legitimate charges?

Both. It seems that a crime has occurred, but the Republican tenacity regarding bringing charges is likely politically motivated. It's not like they care about prosecuting crime, so their motive must be something else.

It matters to me because I want to see if he gets off with just a hand slap since he is the son of a sitting president or if he will be treated like he isnt't above the law.

I'd like to see that question answered as well, and I'm a fervent Biden supporter. And I hope the son gets justice, meaning an appropriate punishment to fit the crime. I think there needs to be jail time if he is guilty, and Biden needs to stay out of it. He's already said too much speaking as a father rather than the American president.

The motive, of course, will be to facilitate a claim subsequently that any verdict or sentence handed out to Trump is politically biased.

Agreed, but I think there's more: revenge. It's what all of this impeachment talk tells us. The right wants to hurt Biden through his son both politically as you suggest, and also personally.

The US Right now has a strong interest in undermining faith in legal justice - having, due to Trump, done their best to damage its credibility already, through the appointment of unsuitable judges. To an outside observer it looks as if half the country is hellbent on pulling down the pillars of democracy.

That's what any objective observer should see, American or otherwise.

Any charges for acting as a foreign agent, violating the Logan Act, or transporting a prostitute across state lines?

Did you mean Giuliani or Gaetz? I believe it was a minor, not a prostitute.

 

[We Never Know]

Do you think they have evidence that Hunter was on drugs when he filled out the form?

If he was drugged out then it could be argued he did not have awareness of his offense. If he wasn't on drugs then who is to say he believed he was dedicated to be sober when he filled out the form?

"If he was drugged out then it could be argued he did not have awareness of his offense"

People charged with a DUI be it drugs or alcohol all should get off because they weren't aware of what they were doing right? lol

 

[exchemist]

The win is in enforcing the law, justice for all

No prejudice, no special deals.

Some won't like it. All the more reason to
uphold the spirit and letter of the law.

And, BTW, Americans might well look into having the
honesty, and, frankly, patriotism, to get past
this stupid and destructive left v right extremism.

Such as your bit about how the right wants to
undermine justice.


Which, amusingly, is here concocted from the
right not wanting the leftists to let the left'S
guy get away with flouting laws- that
were promoted by, yes, the left.

Still, it's all a lot better than Chinese "justice", eh?.

 

[Subduction Zone]

For from an important case but you seem to
think there's a deep constitutional issue.
And scotus is where those are settled.

And the scotus would have to decide: Preserve the Second Amendment, or let Hunter win.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Goodness. Instructing me on the obvious
and making up something you " know"
about me while never conceding that
violent crime is not your stated ( also made
up) "usual".

Who does that kind of nonsense remind you of.

You have been posting as if you do not understand the obvious here. And you have yet to support your claim.

 

[Audie]

Au contraire.

You said " usual".

After many posts you still have not
supported it with one word.

Clearly you won't / cant; I won't again
ask the impossible of you, but, trying to
shift the failure to me is tacky.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I find it extremely interesting that with all the endless talk of supposed corruption between Hunter Biden and his father, all the claims made by Republicans of this big corruption conspiracy, and all anyone could manage to come up with is a gun charge about Hunter filling out a form incorrectly? Seems kind of pathetic after all the hubbub.




But whatever. Charge him! I'm all for gun safety.

 

[fantome profane]

I find it extremely interesting that with all the endless talk of supposed corruption between Hunter Biden and his father, all the claims made by Republicans of this big corruption conspiracy, and all anyone could manage to come up with is a gun charge about Hunter filling out a form incorrectly? Seems kind of pathetic after all the hubbub.




But whatever. Charge him! I'm all for gun safety.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Au contraire.

You said " usual".

After many posts you still have not
supported it with one word.

Clearly you won't / cant; I won't again
ask the impossible of you, but, trying to
shift the failure to me is tacky.

I disagree. You at best have a different interpretation of a source that I used.

 

[Audie]

I disagree. You at best have a different interpretation of a source that I used.

Whatevs. It's churlish to badger you for your "source"

 

[Audie]

Still, it's all a lot better than Chinese "justice", eh?.

Depends if you want results.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I find it extremely interesting that with all the endless talk of supposed corruption between Hunter Biden and his father, all the claims made by Republicans of this big corruption conspiracy, and all anyone could manage to come up with is a gun charge about Hunter filling out a form incorrectly? Seems kind of pathetic after all the hubbub.




But whatever. Charge him! I'm all for gun safety.

Not claims.

Actual evidences documented by the House Oversight Committee.

Hearing Wrap Up: IRS Whistleblowers Expose How Bidens Were Treated Differently - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

oversight.house.gov

 

[Tinkerpeach]

I don't understand when folks focus on the families of politicians(on either side, or neither). Who really controls what their family does?

Hunter did the crimes and he got busted for it.

How does this have anything to do with us?

We did not put the crack pipe in his hand and drive him down to the gun shop.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Not claims.

Actual evidences documented by the House Oversight Committee.

Hearing Wrap Up: IRS Whistleblowers Expose How Bidens Were Treated Differently - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

oversight.house.gov

You mean, the same "whistleblower" that said Biden didn't discuss commercial business with his son's associates? LOL, yeah that's some damning stuff.

Meanwhile the only thing they could come up to charge Hunter with his filling out a form incorrectly and possessing a gun while using drugs. No corruption charges in sight. Makes you wonder if Lauren Boebert is next. I mean, if we're handing out these charges fairly across the board, right? We know she owns a ton of guns and she's been seen intoxicated in public, as of late. Hmmmm ...

 

[We Never Know]

Hunter did the crimes and he got busted for it.

How does this have anything to do with us?

We did not put the crack pipe in his hand and drive him down to the gun shop.

 

[JustGeorge]

Hunter did the crimes and he got busted for it.

How does this have anything to do with us?

We did not put the crack pipe in his hand and drive him down to the gun shop.

Sure.

I just don't know why the focus.

I guarantee we won't get a 7 page thread over the discussing the crimes of the guy that lives across the street from me. I don't understand the focus on this guy. Give him a trial, have him serve his sentence, move on. Who cares?

 

[We Never Know]

Sure.

I just don't know why the focus.

I guarantee we won't get a 7 page thread over the discussing the crimes of the guy that lives across the street from me. I don't understand the focus on this guy. Give him a trial, have him serve his sentence, move on. Who cares?

"Give him a trial, have him serve his sentence, move on. Who cares?"

If only it was that simple

1. Hunter is high profile
2. Politics are involved
3. Its a party war
4. Etc etc

 

[JustGeorge]

"Give him a trial, have him serve his sentence, move on. Who cares?"

If only it was that simple

In my opinion, it should be that simple. Now, I understand things are seldom as they should be, but... I simply can't force myself to relate here. I don't.

1. Hunter is high profile

So what? Maybe if we all started paying attention to our loved ones and focused on fixing the crime in our communities rather than families and crimes of people we don't know, will never know, and don't affect our communities, we could make things a bit better around here.

2. Politics are involved

Politics as we're doing them in this country have been a joke for a long time. This isn't politics, this is little more than playground behavior, and it tends to bring out the worst in people.

3. Its a party war

Well, its stupid, in my opinion. In this war, no one is winning.

I am just waiting for the day when elections come, and I see politicians(I'm hoping more than two, because this is my dream) that I have to look over their qualifications, temperaments, plans, and come out of the poll saying "well, that was a tough choice".

4. Etc etc

I think we could do better with our etc, etc than pick stuff like this apart.

But, my opinions tend to be wildly unpopular.