I and the father are one.

[Shuddhasattva]

"I looked for God and found only myself and I looked for myself and found only God".
-Sufi proverb-

What do you think of this Sufi proverb?

That's beautiful.

And yes, there are not only "traces" of apotheosis many would call it the essence of Hindu philosophy/theology. Many others would strenuously disagree - the sects are divided on this issue.

At the anupaya level (without means), we do not need a transformation, having never been not god, and no means being sufficient to make the shift in of themselves.

At the upaya levels (means); anavopaya, shaktopaya and shambhavopaya, apotheosis is the essence.

 

[Me Myself]

"I looked for God and found only myself and I looked for myself and found only God".
-Sufi proverb-

What do you think of this Sufi proverb? And how does it relate to the quote in
The Gospel of John attributed to Yeshua?

I think I found a new signature

 

[no-body]

Without a doubt this is what Jesus was pointing at as countless mystics before and after have expounded on. There is a very dark humor in the irony that such a beautiful statement was taken and made literal (by the ego) which lead to countless suffering and destruction.

I hate to repeat myself ad nauseam but the concept will never make any kind of intellectual sense, you can only experience it which leads to much confusion and philosophical debate which is ultimately meaningless.

 

[Jainarayan]

Jesus may very well have been jivanmukta, a self-realized, enlightened and liberated being.

 

[Twig pentagram]

I appreciate those who took time out to chime in on this subject. The post
I've read so far have been interesting and informative.:bow:

 

[Bob Dixon]

I haven't read any post from any of the christians here on RF.

I'm coming! I'm coming! Let me post, too!

OK. So. From a non-orthodox perspective.

I'll agree with what we've got so far. In this reading, Jesus is saying that he is One with the Father because everything else is One with the Father. The reason he's not saying that EVERYONE is One with the Father is because, as Jainarayan said, only certain people EXPERIENCE this Oneness and realise it fully. He was one of those people.

But there's actually another layer of meaning here. He is one with the Father in purpose, too. They are united, working for a common goal. In John 17:22, Jesus prays to God, asking that "[the disciples] may be one as we are one". So here, we can see the two meanings that the "Father and I are One/one" verse puts forth. There are probably more.

 

[FearGod]

"I looked for God and found only myself and I looked for myself and found only God".
-Sufi proverb-

What do you think of this Sufi proverb? And how does it relate to the quote in
The Gospel of John attributed to Yeshua?

No one can compare himself to god,that is according to my belief.

we are just a weak creation,eat,drink,sleep and got sick,then finaly will die
and be eaten by warms.

So thinking that god will have a son,similar to us,and the son and the father is one make no sense to me.

 

[SageTree]

While I wouldn't say I'm limited to,I do attend Anglican worship more often than other groups and places of formal worship, and dualism is NOT how I Ultimately understand what's going on. It may have it's relational purposes, but it's not my bag. So I guess I'm saying that in my Christ-journey that is how I read the passage you are referencing. But it's only fair to add that my study and engagement with Sufi thought/community members is what lead me to the mystic side of religions when I came back from the 'east' searching so to speak.