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I believe I have answered, scientifically, why be kind

ChieftheCef

Active Member
Did I?

The Rule of Conversion

As you act, think and exist you convert the world into a better or worse place

Negative actions lead to a negative world

  • People react to you differently
  • You may have a bad reputation that people may react to
  • People may act against you because of what you’ve done
  • You become less healthy and thus less happy
  • You become less healthy and thus less mentally healthy and thus less happy
  • You become less happy, and thus less healthy
  • You share the stress of others by being with them
  • You lose your life sooner
  • You lose a chance to be positive, and thus all the benefits of being positive
  • You lose the cumulative positive impact on the world that rebounds to you eventually
    • As you increase the number of people who want what you want, more money goes to it and thus it is solved faster because more people will work on it
    • As other places get richer you get richer. The more money they have, the more innovation they have, the more products get them money, the more money is flowing, the more money flows the more money you get by trickle down the more money goes to those scietnists making everything new, the more Science gets better, the more products you can have, the more money flows etc.
    • The more cheaply you can make something the more you can sell, making you make more. This means more product availability
    • The more happiness there is the more happiness grows, the better your time is because it comes around, the better off health, physical and mental, productivity and happiness the more everyone else is happier, healthier, wiser and more productive the better off you and everyone else is because of it
  • You may face fines, jail time, imprisonment and worse
  • The world becomes cumulatively lesser with your negative action


Positive actions on the other hand lead to a positive world

  • People react to you differently
  • You may have a good reputation that people may react to
  • People will be more willing to act with you when you need help
  • You become more happy and therefore more healthy
  • You become more healthy and thus more mentally healthy and thus more happy
  • You become more healthy and thus more happy
  • You share the opposite of stress with people you are with
  • You will live longer
  • You have been positive
  • You create a more positive world which eventually comes back to you with your positive action
  • You may receive rewards besides these
  • The world becomes cumulatively greater, and you the better off

Much of this was understood by the ancients. Imagine, they knew to say “badness would come if you were bad, that badness is the cause of more badness”. In fact though it is essentially the actual concept of Karma, this sentiment was present throughout religion. Since even before Egypt, before the Bible, Buddha and Bagavad. Nowadays we have confirmed that impacting each other has serious consequences.

Here are ways your world becomes lesser, and therefore you become lesser.

  • You become worse off, as discussed, and thus suffer
  • You be less productive, in every conceivable way, to others and yourself
  • You spread your unhappiness, and then others become unhappy
  • Their productivity every conceivable way is diminished
  • They spread their suffering, and eventually it compounds in places and comes back to you, by all manner of bad stuff, not all of which is preventable nor should be


A note on our current religious system

  • Religious people bully nonreligious people
  • The nonreligious folk reinforce their belief that what they do, believe etc is good, true etc and become more confident in what they do and believe
  • This provokes the religious nut who hurts the nonreligious people physically or emotionally
  • This aggravates the religious folk and nonreligious folk alike into worse behavioral outcomes for everyone involved in a feedback loop\
  • This impacts your world in those ways mentioned before

In other words living is all about making the world better so you become better, so your family becomes better, so your friends become better so more and more until everyone is better off.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm not sure what is scientific about any of this, but it's not as if being scientific is necessary or even desirable for addressing questions about conduct and ethics. Those issues fall squarely in the realm of philosophy, not science, because it entails value judgements not impartial observations about that-which-is.
 

Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
Did I?

The Rule of Conversion

As you act, think and exist you convert the world into a better or worse place

Negative actions lead to a negative world

  • People react to you differently
  • You may have a bad reputation that people may react to
  • People may act against you because of what you’ve done
  • You become less healthy and thus less happy
  • You become less healthy and thus less mentally healthy and thus less happy
  • You become less happy, and thus less healthy
  • You share the stress of others by being with them
  • You lose your life sooner
  • You lose a chance to be positive, and thus all the benefits of being positive
  • You lose the cumulative positive impact on the world that rebounds to you eventually
    • As you increase the number of people who want what you want, more money goes to it and thus it is solved faster because more people will work on it
    • As other places get richer you get richer. The more money they have, the more innovation they have, the more products get them money, the more money is flowing, the more money flows the more money you get by trickle down the more money goes to those scietnists making everything new, the more Science gets better, the more products you can have, the more money flows etc.
    • The more cheaply you can make something the more you can sell, making you make more. This means more product availability
    • The more happiness there is the more happiness grows, the better your time is because it comes around, the better off health, physical and mental, productivity and happiness the more everyone else is happier, healthier, wiser and more productive the better off you and everyone else is because of it
  • You may face fines, jail time, imprisonment and worse
  • The world becomes cumulatively lesser with your negative action


Positive actions on the other hand lead to a positive world

  • People react to you differently
  • You may have a good reputation that people may react to
  • People will be more willing to act with you when you need help
  • You become more happy and therefore more healthy
  • You become more healthy and thus more mentally healthy and thus more happy
  • You become more healthy and thus more happy
  • You share the opposite of stress with people you are with
  • You will live longer
  • You have been positive
  • You create a more positive world which eventually comes back to you with your positive action
  • You may receive rewards besides these
  • The world becomes cumulatively greater, and you the better off

Much of this was understood by the ancients. Imagine, they knew to say “badness would come if you were bad, that badness is the cause of more badness”. In fact though it is essentially the actual concept of Karma, this sentiment was present throughout religion. Since even before Egypt, before the Bible, Buddha and Bagavad. Nowadays we have confirmed that impacting each other has serious consequences.

Here are ways your world becomes lesser, and therefore you become lesser.

  • You become worse off, as discussed, and thus suffer
  • You be less productive, in every conceivable way, to others and yourself
  • You spread your unhappiness, and then others become unhappy
  • Their productivity every conceivable way is diminished
  • They spread their suffering, and eventually it compounds in places and comes back to you, by all manner of bad stuff, not all of which is preventable nor should be


A note on our current religious system

  • Religious people bully nonreligious people
  • The nonreligious folk reinforce their belief that what they do, believe etc is good, true etc and become more confident in what they do and believe
  • This provokes the religious nut who hurts the nonreligious people physically or emotionally
  • This aggravates the religious folk and nonreligious folk alike into worse behavioral outcomes for everyone involved in a feedback loop\
  • This impacts your world in those ways mentioned before

In other words living is all about making the world better so you become better, so your family becomes better, so your friends become better so more and more until everyone is better off.

The teachings of Jesus addressed this question a long time ago :) .
 

ChieftheCef

Active Member
I'm not sure what is scientific about any of this, but it's not as if being scientific is necessary or even desirable for addressing questions about conduct and ethics. Those issues fall squarely in the realm of philosophy, not science, because it entails value judgements not impartial observations about that-which-is.
It's all as fact as you can get, if not actual science. You do become more stressed out when you are unkind. You receive it's opposite when you are kind. Try it, buy someone a gift. See how you feel.
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
Sure, but this, if you read it, says the same thing.
I read it. Thing is im not kind for a reward or to feel good or cuz not being kind stresses me out. Being unkind after all can feel good sometimes. But because I have empathy.
 

ChieftheCef

Active Member
I read it. Thing is im not kind for a reward or to feel good or cuz not being kind stresses me out. Being unkind after all can feel good sometimes. But because I have empathy.
You are a human, it is why you are kind. We need to work together so we can survive. Your virtue signaling isn't qualified here, if there was no goodness you felt from being kind to others you wouldn't do it. Even though you may appear to yourself as purely and wholly altruistic, you get something out of it if you do it, because that doesn't happen in Nature. But, dude! That's more than enough. Be kind, it makes you happy. Just Do It!
 

ChieftheCef

Active Member
Hah! Have you ever read the Sermon on the Mount?

Without God you have no objective basis for being 'good' or 'kind.' Science is irrelevant here.
Have you heard pluck your eyes out if you see boobies! That is hands down one of the greatest philsophical meanings of the purest quotes I have ever heard.
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
You are a human, it is why you are kind. We need to work together so we can survive. Your virtue signaling isn't qualified here, if there was no goodness you felt from being kind to others you wouldn't do it. Even though you may appear to yourself as purely and wholly altruistic, you get something out of it if you do it, because that doesn't happen in Nature. But, dude! That's more than enough. Be kind, it makes you happy. Just Do It!
First....im not always kind. I can be a real ***** sometimes. And yeah doing kind stuff can feel good. Im not trying to virtue signal here. Im pointing out my main motivator is I'm kind cuz of empathy and I don't like it when others suffer. Is it the only motivator? Not always. But its typically my main motive. I've even been known to be kind to folk who I know mean me harm or have really really hurt me badly. Because i dont like hurting folk most the time
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
  • People react to you differently
  • You may have a good reputation that people may react to
  • People will be more willing to act with you when you need help
  • You become more happy and therefore more healthy
  • You become more healthy and thus more mentally healthy and thus more happy
  • You become more healthy and thus more happy
  • You share the opposite of stress with people you are with
  • You will live longer
  • You have been positive
  • You create a more positive world which eventually comes back to you with your positive action
  • You may receive rewards besides these
  • The world becomes cumulatively greater, and you the better off

These reasons here typically don't cross my mind when im helping folk. Living longer being healthy none of that pops in my mind when I go to help someone.

What typically does is I see someone hurting i reach out. Or I care about someone deeply and want them to be happy. Or i dont want someone to feel the same pain ive felt from someone.


Sure are these good reasons?yeah. But for me these arent what crosses my mind when helping folk.


Edit: Sometimes being unkind and lacking morality can actually get you farther. Like insurance companies make a lot at the cost of lives. Altho my morals and empathy wouldn't allow me to be like that cuz I don't want to see others in pain. Just cuz something benefits you isnt always a reason to do something. It can be. But not always.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's all as fact as you can get, if not actual science. You do become more stressed out when you are unkind. You receive it's opposite when you are kind. Try it, buy someone a gift. See how you feel.
It wasn't presented scientifically though. You basically presented why we should be pro-social.
 
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