I Can Only Conclude That God Doesn't Care

[Skwim]

Perhaps God cares about Freedom of will most of all. Perhaps God wants you to choose the best path for your life. Perhaps God knows what happens here other then your choices doesn't really matter.

Evidently then, god isn't much concerned at all with what became of his "word." In essence, "Do what you want with what I said. No biggie"


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[savagewind]

Nobody has explained why God should care more about keeping God's written word righteous than about keeping the human race righteous.

 

[bobhikes]

Evidently then, god isn't much concerned at all with what became of his "word." In essence, "Do what you want with what I said. No biggie"


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Not necessarily supposedly we are made in Gods image, God never said it was a physical image perhaps it is God's mental image. The word may then be built in from the start.

 

[Skwim]

Not necessarily supposedly we are made in Gods image, God never said it was a physical image perhaps it is God's mental image. The word may then be built in from the start.

Just so we're clear here, by "word" I mean the Bible.

 

[bobhikes]

Just so we're clear here, by "word" I mean the Bible.

As you said there are many bibles plus originally you stated abrahamic religions which include the Torah and Koran. So why did you come to a conclusion based only off a Bible? Even at that you or I didn't write the bible we can only interpret the translated message or do you read it literally.

 

[Thief]

Let's all be thankful that the chick from (I think) Ghostbusters 2 was wrong when she told Venkman the world would definitely end 2-14-16.

oh good....Valentine's day.

but hey....here we are

 

[Thief]

Nobody has explained why God should care more about keeping God's written word righteous than about keeping the human race righteous.

similar to?....let those who have ears that hear, listen...

 

[Skwim]

As you said there are many bibles plus originally you stated abrahamic religions which include the Torah and Koran. So why did you come to a conclusion based only off a Bible? Even at that you or I didn't write the bible we can only interpret the translated message or do you read it literally.

It's the only book I cared to address.

And just what was it I said about the Abrahamic religions?

 

[bobhikes]

It's the only book I cared to address.

And just what was it I said about the Abrahamic religions?

The prevailing claim of the Abrahamic religions is that through either direct construct or divine inspiration god saw to it that his message was recorded, and recorded correctly.(Copy and pasted from original post)

I am sure it was recorded correctly by the person recording it; however, we don't share their knowledge or experiences so we can only interpret their meaning. This is why we have multiple Holy Books and multiple religions and why I as knowledgeable person must rely on my knowledge and experience to understand it. That knowledge requires the studying of multiple Holy Books as all are correct to the writer.

 

[Skwim]

The prevailing claim of the Abrahamic religions is that through either direct construct or divine inspiration god saw to it that his message was recorded, and recorded correctly.(Copy and pasted from original post)

Yup. So why did you bring up my mention of Abrahamic religions?

 

[Hawkins]

So, how close to the truth am I here?

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Humans are too arrogant and self-centered to notice that planet earth is not even the goal God is trying to build.

Planet is not even part of God's realm ever since Adam being kicked out. Planet earth is said to be a place where Satan is the god of this world. In the Bible, earth is a wilderness full of beasts where God's sheep are scattered and will fall victim.

Earth is not heaven, earth is just a little better than hell.

 

[Muffled]

A person with a lot is not full and can be filled easier than a person who has nothing.
Why do you think that it doesn't say happy are beggers for spirit because they will be filled?

I believe I agree but a person half filled tends to be satisfied and not look for more but a person with nothing thirsts for more.

I believe it is because one needs not to beg, one just needs to have a need. Poverty to me means I lack something. I don't have a laptop so I am poor in laptops. Of course this is relative a person who has two laptops may feel poor if he doesn't have three laptops. Of course most people are satisfied with one laptop.

 

[Muffled]

As would a lot of Christians who disagree with your conclusion be willing to straighten you out.

????? I don't see the relevance.

Then what can a person make of the Bible; all its versions having been influenced by the massive egos and individual reasonings of their compilers? Personally, I would be extremely wary of the veracity of any book of fact put together in such a subjective manner

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I believe anyone who thinks they know better than God is a megalomaniac.

I believe I am saying that it makes a difference to me because I will accept the one coming by grace but not the one coming by works.



I believe the Bible stands on its own and that it was not written subjectively. I am saying that interpreters are often subjective

 

[moorea944]

Humans are too arrogant and self-centered to notice that planet earth is not even the goal God is trying to build.

Planet is not even part of God's realm ever since Adam being kicked out. Planet earth is said to be a place where Satan is the god of this world. In the Bible, earth is a wilderness full of beasts where God's sheep are scattered and will fall victim.

Earth is not heaven, earth is just a little better than hell.

I completely disagree!! And i'll tell you why...

The planet earth IS God's goal. If you read scripture, it tells us God's plan and purpose with the earth. God told Moses that someday He will fill the whole earth with His Glory. Also, someday the whole world will be fill with the 'knowledge" of the Lord. Meaning everyone will know of God. God told David that someone from him would restore his throne and kingdom forever and ever and David would live to see it, meaning David believed in resurrection, along with everyone else.

The prophet books in the OT preached of a time that the world would be changed of the coming of the Messiah. That a Kingdom would be establish on earth forever.
Zech 14v9 "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one."

Planet is not even part of God's realm ever since Adam being kicked out.

Is not even part of God's realm.... not sure what you really mean here......

In the Bible, earth is a wilderness full of beasts where God's sheep are scattered and will fall victim.

That's true. Roman's 8 explains why the world is like this......

Earth is not heaven, earth is just a little better than hell.

That's true. God gave the earth to man and the Heavens are the Lord. And the earth is better than being in the grave (hell).

 

[Skwim]

I believe anyone who thinks they know better than God is a megalomaniac.

Then I suggest you look up the definition of "megalomania." And also ask yourself how you came to conclude that because a lot of Christians who disagree with your conclusion and would be willing to straighten you out, they think they know better than god.

I believe I am saying that it makes a difference to me because I will accept the one coming by grace but not the one coming by works.

Nice I guess, but this has no relevance to the discussion either.

I believe the Bible stands on its own and that it was not written subjectively. I am saying that interpreters are often subjective

So you mean that while the interpreters were often subjective, what they wrote was not? Then in what regard does their subjectivity enter into the machinery? FYI, it is well known that their interpretations were always bound by the theology they embraced, or that of the their sponsor.

 

[Muffled]

Then I suggest you look up the definition of "megalomania." And also ask yourself how you came to conclude that because a lot of Christians who disagree with your conclusion and would be willing to straighten you out, they think they know better than god.

Nice I guess, but this has no relevance to the discussion either.

So you mean that while the interpreters were often subjective, what they wrote was not? Then in what regard does their subjectivity enter into the machinery? FYI, it is well known that their interpretations were always bound by the theology they embraced, or that of the their sponsor.

I believe the answer is simple. God speaks through me. Anyone saying something else is not disagreeing with me but with God.

I believe I am saying that the writers and interpreters are not the same people.

 

[Skwim]

I believe the answer is simple. God speaks through me. Anyone saying something else is not disagreeing with me but with God.

This explains a lot.

I believe I am saying that the writers and interpreters are not the same people.

So you're not sure what you're saying. I can buy that.


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[Muffled]

This explains a lot.


So you're not sure what you're saying. I can buy that.


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I believe this usually raises more questions than it explains.

I believe I am sure of what I am saying.

 

[Skwim]

I believe this usually raises more questions than it explains.

None here. You believe you're god's chosen loudspeaker, or at least one of them. Believe whatever you like.

I believe I am sure of what I am saying.

When you say things like, "I believe . . . . " it denotes a certain amount of uncertainty. A better assertion of certainty would be, "I know. . . . ," or, "I'm sure. . . . " or "I'm certain . . . ."


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[james2ko]

The prevailing claim of the Abrahamic religions is that through either direct construct or divine inspiration god saw to it that his message was recorded, and recorded correctly. And my guess is that, being god, he would have seen to it that this message was both understandable and unambiguous. Moreover, he would never be so derelict and inefficient as to fill it with inconsequentials or irrelevancies. He said what had to be said, and nothing more and nothing less.

Yet, today we have nearly a couple hundred versions of the Bible in English alone. Why so many? Because people disagree as to what the Bible should say and/or how. Take Isaiah 45:7 where the Hebrew word רַע ra` is translated as

evil
disaster
calamity
doom
trouble(s)
bad times
discord
woe
hard times​

depending on which version of the Bible one reads.

So, which is right? And how would one know? Thing is, they don't mean the same thing. Evil is hardly a synonym for hard times, nor is woe synonymous with doom. I doubt that god would ever have penned such confusion in his original, permitting his followers to fumble over his words or mistake what he was trying to get across. Consider: as a history teacher would you hand out a different reason for the origin of WWI to each student? Of course not. So one has to wonder why god went to the trouble having his word recorded and then not care how it was passed along. Either it wasn't meant to impact anyone other than those who read the original text, or he simply doesn't care what later readers get out of it. In effect, it doesn't matter today if one Christian believes he created evil and another gets the impression he only created hard times. If it did matter, then one would expect god to set things straight, making sure that the message he took the trouble to set forth was clear and unambiguous; that every English Bible said the very same thing, either literally or by implication. There wouldn't be nine English versions of רַע ra` meaning very different things. God would make sure that in Isaiah 45:7 every reader knows he had created evil, or whatever, and not something else.

Because of the preceding I can only surmise that god doesn't really care what the Christian does with his word. "Believe this or believe that, I really don't care. Think my word tells you you can get into my heaven by works? Fine. Think my word tells you you can get into my heaven by my grace? Fine. It really doesn't matter. Believe whatever you like."


So, how close to the truth am I here?

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What if His message was not meant to be understandable and unambiguous to the masses? And what is so detrimental about God creating evil? Wouldn't we expect an omnipotent God to utilize the evil and ambiguity He created for the greater and ultimate good?