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I don't know what to think anymore

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
It's time to come clean and air out some of my recent thoughts.

Over the past few months, I've been dealing with a lot of internal conflict concerning the question of what I believe. As I have mentioned a few times, I was an atheist for the past five or so years.

Around late last year, I started to become incredibly existential. I felt that my life had little purpose or meaning and I had become quite nihilistic in my overall outlook on things. Combined with little social life and a resurfacing of a childhood OCD, I was on my way to mental wreck-ville.

For wider context, I grew up in a fairly devout and practising Catholic family, so the faith was quite engrained into me during my developmental years. Nonetheless, during my late adolescence I began to question certain things; starting with Catholic morality, the justifications for faith in what can't be substantiated, to ultimately the very existence of God himself. The domino chain began to crumble. Which eventually lead me into materialism and I became yet another conceited online atheist. :D

However, perhaps motivated by my growing existentialism and disenchantment with the communities I was a part of, I did something unusual. I read the Gospels.

Of course, this did not make a believer out of me immediately. But it set the course for further exploration of my childhood religion. And I found a lot of things to admire, from breathtaking art to Old Roman chants, it was something to be a part of.

However, as the months of my new found faith have gone by, the old doubts have begun to re-emerge. The biggest one that I just can't seem to put aside is the arbitrary nature of my belief.

Am I interested in Catholicism because I legitimately believe it to represent the true religion? The Church of Christ himself? Or did I just succumb to the strain of indoctrination and guilt that had built up over the years? Have I actually explored other religions? What if the Muslims are correct? Then am I going to hell anyway for professing the wrong religion? How am I supposed to know what happened in Jerusalem two-thousand years ago? Or whether Muḥammad and his revelations are what they claim to be? Is avoiding eternal hellfire really contingent on being fortunate enough to happen on the right religion? How is that even remotely fair?

Not to mention the constant guilt of sin I have to live with. Get a girlfriend? Lol, you may as well sign me over to hell as doing so would make it virtually impossible to avoid mortal sin. (not that I'm free of that anyway) But neither are most Catholics for that matter. The moral hypocrisy of many of my co-religionists (even in my own family) is an open secret. My sister is off to hell for co-habitation, and my parents for my father's vasectomy after my sister's birth. But they all go to church on Sunday! :shrug: Of course, my wider family is much the same. Hell, as is most of the western Catholic world. But I'm the one who seems bothered by this disconnect.

So here I am back again at a crossroad with no idea where to go. Do I just give up on it as not worth the headache? But then again, if I'm wrong going to have a very bad eternity.
 
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Erebus

Well-Known Member
Personally I would argue that fear of a potentially hellish afterlife is a very dodgy reason to practice any religion. Obviously there's not a lot I can do to bring you out of your crisis, it's something you have to do yourself. I can however offer a little advice that you can take or leave as you see fit.

Ask yourself how your religion/lack of religion benefits you in the here and now. The afterlife (if there is one) is an unknown until we're dead. If a religion brings you more suffering than anything else it's probably not worth holding on to. If your religion makes your life better then I'd argue it's worth keeping regardless of whether or not a god exists.

My two pennies worth. Best of luck :)
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
The fact that you are bothered by that disconnect and hypocrisy is good -it means you are sincere and conscientious.

I would suggest that if you want to know which road to choose, consider the destination -consider the map -consider the road -and ignore all of the billboards.

When I began reading the bible (also raised Catholic), I found many things which did not support what many religions taught about the bible.

(reading all of what the bible says about hell, heaven, etc., -with an open mind and without preconceptions -might surprise you)

Believe what you believe not because you feel you have to -but because you have considered the matter and are confident in it.
The truth is true regardless of what you believe or what others tell you -so seek the truth for yourself.

Having religion does not mean it needs to be the one with which you were raised.
Rather than accepting any prepackaged religion, you could build your beliefs one truth at a time.

Do you think having a girlfriend (and I'm assuming, premarital sex) is wrong for some understandable reason -or are you simply afraid of "going to hell"?
Your relationship could produce children -are you prepared for that?
Also -what is wrong with dating toward marriage?
Consider the effect the commandments can have on the present.
(though I would advise becoming more certain of your own path if you plan to walk together with another)

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.



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Some of the verses which challenged my notions of heaven/hell, etc...

Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

1Ki 2:10 So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth

....and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished....

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Mic 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Mic 4:4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.


Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Eze 34:25 And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods.
Eze 34:26 And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing.
Eze 34:27 And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase, and they shall be safe in their land, and shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them.
Eze 34:28 And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, .....
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Personally, I think that belief in God, and perhaps on which are the characteristics and will of that God, is indeed and unavoidably arbitrary, and no one should be too bothered by that.

Worries about whether you or anyone else is dooming the afterlife due to wrong beliefs, however, I find very pointless. They should IMO be forgotten entirely.

If we take as a premise that God is not fair, then there is probably not much of a point in worrying about holding the right beliefs in the first place. And if God is fair, he is probably wise enough to judge on the basis of more significant things than just a wrong guess about what is right.

Instead, simply do your best to live a moral life, while being honest with yourself to the best of your abilities. If you reflect about it for a while, I'm sure you will realize that there is indeed nothing else that anyone can demand of himself or herself. You are not all-wise or all-knowing. Admit that, be sorry for that, then be thankful for the actual simplicity of choice that such an admission brings to your life. Accept and embrace the lack of certainty and rejoice in on making correct decisions when you may. There is nothing wrong in being human, sincere in effort and goals, and all the same finite and fallible. Nothing at all.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
So here I am back again at a crossroad with no idea where to go. Do I just give up on it as not worth the headache? But then again, if I'm wrong going to have a very bad eternity.
Maybe it's just me, but if I like a Gregorian chant it's only because I like the music and the voice--I don't feel compelled by liking it to wonder whether I'm turning into a Christian. It's okay to like the iconography, the magnificent buildings and the brilliant music and still be an atheist.

And PS, eternity is here and now, no more or less than it is anywhere or any time else.

Edit: I'm going to borrow Lewis' disclaimer, as it's a good one.
(Hey, I might be missing the mark entirely...just saw some parrallels with my younger self in your words)
 
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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
But I'm the one who seems bothered by this disconnect.

So here I am back again at a crossroad with no idea where to go. Do I just give up on it as not worth the headache? But then again, if I'm wrong going to have a very bad eternity.

Sorry, mate, I just cherry-picked out a little bit of your post to respond to, but I read through it all, and had a think.

This all made sense to me. I was raised Church of England, but the hypocrisy between claimed belief and action just meant religion never rang true for me. Met some more dedicated believers in Uni, and it was enough to get me to consider religion more seriously.

Turned out I had no belief in the supernatural, which closed most religions out, and had no great need for ritual, which made the rest somewhat redundant, but that was just me. The point is, for a lot of people it's easier to roll around WITHOUT thinking about this sort of stuff.

But for those who can't do that...like me...like you, I suspect...you're better off to work through it. Read about other religions and beliefs, etc. Just remember, there's no rush.

You don't need to 'know' the answer tomorrow. Just learn. You'll be better placed to make a decision, but also (if you're like me) the fact that your knowledge base is increasing and that you're doing something about it will actually give you a little mental peace.

(Hey, I might be missing the mark entirely...just saw some parrallels with my younger self in your words)
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
In my experience with the Catholic Church I found the structure it provided very comforting. Then they had 1700 years to develop that structure. Considering the US is only a couple of hundred years old.

Still for me the truth isn't about being comfortable. Though I sometimes envy the certainty religion provides. The truth isn't about certainty, the truth is about honesty. I've decided honesty was more important to me than comfort.

Still I don't blame those who choose comfort. Honesty is uncomfortable for yourself and those around you.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
You're not the only one to have these kinds of thoughts. I have the same kinds of thoughts all the time. Sure, I am a follower of Yeshua (Jesus) but, at times, I wonder what I believe and why. I am not worried about guilt: I was given a conscience for reason (that's what I believe anyway). I haven't fallen into the trap of "guilt is a bad thing" that is all the rage nowadays. I don't have any constant guilt, after all, I am forgiven, according to my belief as long as I repent. I also know that no matter how hard we try, we are not going to be perfect. Being a disciple of Jesus is a "work in progress", the way I see it. We don't go out and try to sin, we try to avoid it but if we slip up, the whole world isn't going to come to an end. We just repent and move on.

I really don't have any real advice for you, I wish I did. If you truly believe, then that will be become apparent to you.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I know how you feel. I yo-yo between Catholicism and other things. I find it to be pretty much impossible to live up to Catholicism's moral, especially sexual, standards. Almost no Catholics do and it's unhealthy to attempt to do so. Many people, including many saints, have literally gone crazy from it over the centuries. I was wracked with guilt and self-hatred when I tried to be a devout Catholic. That sort of torture just isn't worth it.

What kept me coming back is the emotional ties I have to it. It's very appealing to a person who suffers from severe depression, loneliness and who has daddy issues.

Good luck finding the right path for yourself.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
It's time to come clean and air out some of my recent thoughts.

Over the past few months, I've been dealing with a lot of internal conflict concerning the question of what I believe. As I have mentioned a few times, I was an atheist for the past five or so years.

Around late last year, I started to become incredibly existential. I felt that my life had little purpose or meaning and I had become quite nihilistic in my overall outlook on things. Combined with little social life and a resurfacing of a childhood OCD, I was on my way to mental wreck-ville.

For wider context, I grew up in a fairly devout and practising Catholic family, so the faith was quite engrained into me during my developmental years. Nonetheless, during my late adolescence I began to question certain things; starting with Catholic morality, the justifications for faith in what can't be substantiated, to ultimately the very existence of God himself. The domino chain began to crumble. Which eventually lead me into materialism and I became yet another conceited online atheist. :D

However, perhaps motivated by my growing existentialism and disenchantment with the communities I was a part of, I did something unusual. I read the Gospels.

Of course, this did not make a believer out of me immediately. But it set the course for further exploration of my childhood religion. And I found a lot of things to admire, from breathtaking art to Old Roman chants, it was something to be a part of.

However, as the months of my new found faith have gone by, the old doubts have begun to re-emerge. The biggest one that I just can't seem to put aside is the arbitrary nature of my belief.

Am I interested in Catholicism because I legitimately believe it to represent the true religion? The Church of Christ himself? Or did I just succumb to the strain of indoctrination and guilt that had built up over the years? Have I actually explored other religions? What if the Muslims are correct? Then am I going to hell anyway for professing the wrong religion? How am I supposed to know what happened in Jerusalem two-thousand years ago? Or whether Muḥammad and his revelations are what they claim to be? Is avoiding eternal hellfire really contingent on being fortunate enough to happen on the right religion? How is that even remotely fair?

Not to mention the constant guilt of sin I have to live with. Get a girlfriend? Lol, you may as well sign me over to hell as doing so would make it virtually impossible to avoid mortal sin. (not that I'm free of that anyway) But neither are most Catholics for that matter. The moral hypocrisy of many of my co-religionists (even in my own family) is an open secret. My sister is off to hell for co-habitation, and my parents for my father's vasectomy after my sister's birth. But they all go to church on Sunday! :shrug: Of course, my wider family is much the same. Hell, as is most of the western Catholic world. But I'm the one who seems bothered by this disconnect.

So here I am back again at a crossroad with no idea where to go. Do I just give up on it as not worth the headache? But then again, if I'm wrong going to have a very bad eternity.

Would you consider studying the bible to find out the truth faith as taught by Jesus and his apostles? You should think of Religions as nothing more then a 'path'.... there are many paths, but only one bible which makes it the best place to learn about God.

Its important to realise the 'religion' is not the end goal...one day soon there will be no more religions! it will just be you and God. Jesus was helping us to come to know God and develop a relationship with him. The only way to do that is through the bible because that is the path shown by Jesus. And its interesting that it was when you read the gospels that you began to search again... the bible is 'spirit' and 'truth' and it speaks to our heart and conscience in a way no religious organisation can.

dont stop reading the bible! It will lead you to a personal God. Here is a good place to start...'What does the bible really teach'
 
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Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
Shyanekh said:
Personally I would argue that fear of a potentially hellish afterlife is a very dodgy reason to practice any religion.

The threat of Hell in of itself isn't compelling if you have no reason to believe that the threats have substance. If you haven't grown up in a religious context where the threat is emphasised, it can be hard to understand the fear that it can hold for someone in my circumstances. It's not rational but it's real nonetheless.

Shyanekh said:
My two pennies worth. Best of luck

Thanks.

Etritonakin said:
When I began reading the bible (also raised Catholic), I found many things which did not support what many religions taught about the bible.

Many Catholic doctrines can be hard to justify on the basis of the biblical text alone. I've always known this. However you need to remember that Catholicism adherers to its own Magisterium, in which the Scriptures are a part, but do not encompass. So the fact that Catholic teaching can't always be directly drawn from the Bible is not itself a very compelling argument against it. You can't argue against Catholicism as if it were a Protestant sect, because both are playing by very different rule sets.

Etritonakin said:
Do you think having a girlfriend (and I'm assuming, premarital sex) is wrong for some understandable reason -or are you simply afraid of "going to hell"?

Personally no. However, Catholic teaching is that any and all sexual expression outside of marriage no matter how benign, (a mere kiss is enough) and not explicitly open for procreation (in a married context) is a sin. And if you cross the line into mortal sin it's an automatic loss of grace I.E. You will go to Hell. Of course, very, very few actually live up to or even believe this.

Willamena said:
Maybe it's just me, but if I like a Gregorian chant it's only because I like the music and the voice--I don't feel compelled by liking it to wonder whether I'm turning into a Christian. It's okay to like the iconography, the magnificent buildings and the brilliant music and still be an atheist.

Indeed it is. There is a lot of beauty bequeathed to us by Christian Europe. Too many atheists in their hostility to anything Christian, often miss out on some really beautiful culture.

lewisnotmiller said:
You don't need to 'know' the answer tomorrow. Just learn. You'll be better placed to make a decision, but also (if you're like me) the fact that your knowledge base is increasing and that you're doing something about it will actually give you a little mental peace.

Indeed. I'm not going to do anything out of whim right at this moment. It's just the longer I think about religion the less and less sense any of this is making. Call it cognitive dissonance, I seem to be quite susceptible to it. Perhaps because I'm the only one among the Catholics I know who actually thinks about the implications of the religion beyond Sunday morning lip service.

ChristineES said:
I don't have any constant guilt, after all, I am forgiven, according to my belief as long as I repent.

Catholicism teaches that all sin no matter how serious can be forgiven. But, in order to be forgiven you need to obtain formal absolution from a priest. (who could in theory withhold it) failure to do so will result in loss of salvation as it really is one mortal sin you're out kind of deal.

Saint Frankenstein said:
I was wracked with guilt and self-hatred when I tried to be a devout Catholic. That sort of torture just isn't worth it.

You're probably one of the few people on this board with the perspective to really understand the ditch I'm. I can only imagine how bad it would be for someone of your circumstances.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Am I interested in Catholicism because I legitimately believe it to represent the true religion? The Church of Christ himself? Or did I just succumb to the strain of indoctrination and guilt that had built up over the years? Have I actually explored other religions? What if the Muslims are correct? Then am I going to hell anyway for professing the wrong religion? How am I supposed to know what happened in Jerusalem two-thousand years ago? Or whether Muḥammad and his revelations are what they claim to be? Is avoiding eternal hellfire really contingent on being fortunate enough to happen on the right religion? How is that even remotely fair?

First off, sounds like you have doubts, about Catholicism, I am of the opinion that if you have these doubts, then don't 'force' yourself to adhere to a religion.
Secondly, you really don't sound like an atheist, you sound more like a theist than I ever was, and I generally call myself a theist on the forums.
Thirdly, your in no obligation to explore other faiths.
 

kerravon

Anti-subjugator
What if the Muslims are correct? Then am I going to hell anyway for professing the wrong religion? How am I supposed to know what happened in Jerusalem two-thousand years ago? Or whether Muḥammad and his revelations are what they claim to be? Is avoiding eternal hellfire really contingent on being fortunate enough to happen on the right religion? How is that even remotely fair?
It ISN'T fair. Any being that condemns you for choosing the wrong religion (or not choosing any of them) is a sick and evil twisted piece of nastiness. And if that's what God is, I'll take my chances with Satan instead.

I consider that God is in fact judging us according to how we respond to human rights abuses around the world, e.g. when Uday was abducting and raping Iraqi women - institutionalized rape. I live in self-imposed fear as to whether I have done absolutely everything possible to protect innocents from human rights abuses. I want to be able to look into an Iranian girl's eyes when she tells me she was raped by the Ayatollah's men and say that I honestly did everything possible to prevent that.

Compare that to Catholics who do whatever they want, turn up to confession to neutralize whatever it is they have done, and I hope you wouldn't choose Catholicism.


P.S. I also live in fear that a just god will swap the souls of people, so that you may end up being the Iranian girl being raped by the Ayatollah's thugs. So act now to eliminate the possibility.
 
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Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
kerravon said:
Compare that to Catholics who do whatever they want, turn up to confession to neutralize whatever it is they have done, and I hope you wouldn't choose Catholicism.

To be fair, committing sin with the intention of just confessing it later is itself a sin. Absolution is only valid if repentance comes with sincere contrition. The moral hypocrisy I speak of is that of the average western Catholic not even trying to live up to the moral standards that the Church demands, even to the point of flagrant disobedience in some cases. Contraception being the big example.
 

kerravon

Anti-subjugator
To be fair, committing sin with the intention of just confessing it later is itself a sin. Absolution is only valid if repentance comes with sincere contrition. The moral hypocrisy I speak of is that of the average western Catholic not even trying to live up to the moral standards that the Church demands, even to the point of flagrant disobedience in some cases. Contraception being the big example.
Another problem I should point out is that Catholic priests get to listen to a non-stop series of lurid sex scandals from their parishoners, and then don't have a sexual outlet other than choir boys. It's a fundamentally flawed system. Why would you want to associate with this sect of Christianity instead of looking for something better (e.g. http://www.mutazilah.org/holybook.htm)?
 
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Amechania

Daimona of the Helpless
Another problem I should point out is that Catholic priests get to listen to a non-stop series of lurid sex scandals from their parishoners, and then don't have a sexual outlet other than choir boys. It's a fundamentally flawed system. Why would you want to associate with this sect of Christianity instead of looking for something better (e.g. http://www.mutazilah.org/holybook.htm)?

Total ********. You've never been to confession and don't know single priest. You are full of shiit.
 

kerravon

Anti-subjugator
Total ********. You've never been to confession and don't know single priest. You are full of shiit.
A Catholic woman told me that she had been propositioned multiple times by Catholic men to have extramarital affairs and then simply "confess" them to clear the slate.

The current Pope has railed against the pedophile priests in the Catholic Church.

Silly me for listening to the Pope on questions of Catholicism I guess. And silly me for taking the side of the children abused by Catholic priests.
 

Amechania

Daimona of the Helpless
Taking the side of children is not the same thing as bashing priests just because a very small minority are perverts. You implied that simply being a priest makes one a sexual pervert. As if this lis the natural consequence if celibacy. I an celibate currently because of all the bad choices I've made. Priests are chaste fir good reason. I assure you I have no desire to rape a child.
 

kerravon

Anti-subjugator
Taking the side of children is not the same thing as bashing priests just because a very small minority are perverts.
You're trying to hide the problem. You should instead be wondering what causes these "pure" priests to rape children instead of having sex with a partner or going to a brothel.

If you are honest about it, you can see that the whole system is fundamentally flawed.

You implied that simply being a priest makes one a sexual pervert.
I never ever said it was an inevitable consequence. That's clearly untrue. What I said is that it is hardly surprising that such a horrible setup would lead to that result.

As if this lis the natural consequence if celibacy.
It's not just celibacy. It's hearing the sex stories as well. Everyone else is getting laid except for the poor priest - I know, choir boys!

I an celibate currently because of all the bad choices I've made.
And you can stop being celibate tomorrow if you choose to do so. A Catholic priest would have to give up his profession. Easier to just have sex with some choir boys.

Priests are chaste fir good reason.
No, there is no good reason. There's a good reason why they should cease being chaste and let out their sexual urges on an adult instead of a choir boy.

I assure you I have no desire to rape a child.
You're not a (natural) horny man hearing a long list of lurid sex stories from your parishoners and thinking that you're a loser because you're the only one not getting sex.


P.S. I wouldn't mind if only women were allowed to be Catholic priests. Is the Pope proposing that all male priests should be replaced with female priests? Or doesn't he really care about protecting choir boys?

P.P.S. Here is also what happens to horny men with no access to women:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t45giS2LHbM
 
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