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[Aupmanyav]

Interesting. None of these accurately describe the purpose of my religion.

What is the purpose of your religion (which is slightly different from mine)?

Of course, but for some it might apply. I'm just feeling a wee bit angry at the moment.

Changing goal-posts?

God and his sent ones (families chosen by God to guide humans) actually have a right to be listened to, accepted, remembered, held on to, and cherished, and sought guidance from and relied on for mental clarity and guidance.
Anyone who rejects God and his guidance is in an ungrateful rebellious state or a playful intoxicated irrational playful state by control of sorcery of a dark nature or too arrogant or combination of those (all, some, two you get the point).

That is much like caste system in India.

This is not force, this is laying down facts. Islam can be false, this still would be true.
if Mohammad (s) was false, then another Prophet would be true.
This is tautological truths.

But you have to have a God and his prophets. What proof you have for them?

Hell awaiting those too arrogant for God is a reality whether Islam is true or not.

You have not been able to frighten me enough. Try telling me that burning oil will be poured on my skull till my brain melts.

I find the antagonism towards religion to be strange.

It comes up as a reaction to people trying to force their absurd ideas down our throat.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I find the antagonism towards religion to be strange.

More about the effects of religions that probably upsets some of us than what is believed.

Andl I suppose I should apologise to some extent for the thread - perhaps being an outbreak of whine-fever - when mostly I couldn't care less as to what others believe regarding religious beliefs.

And where we could all do with some education.

 

[Segev Moran]

I don't need no religion to tell me how to be moral - for others, you are welcome
I don't need no religion to tell me about what will happen when I die - I'll just wait, thanks
I don't need no religion to separate me from others
I don't need no religion to guide me, especially where such might be wrong
I don't need no religion to tell me nonsense about the past
Etc.

Hebrew's word for religion is something else entirely
(Especially in the Hebrew bible).
It actually means Laws.
We don't really have a word with the meaning of religion as you use it.
Although today when people say it they use it to describe laws of a non governmental authority.
In the bible, the word is used to describe rules of kings and prophets just the same.
So basically, if translated to Hebrew You want anarchy

 

[WalterTrull]

Should we assume the use of the double negative implies you do need these things?
(Pedants R Us)

 

[Segev Moran]

Or to....
- Give me leaders.
- Give me churches.
- Give me The Truth.
- Give me scripture to study.
- Give me meaning or purpose.
- Give me predictions of the future.
- Give me prescriptions & proscriptions.

I would change that to:

-Give me secular leaders.
-Give me freedom of belief.
-Educate me how to find the truth.
-Study scriptures, it shows all humans mistakes and errors made throughout our history.
-Let me find my own meaning and purpose, don't force me to adopt your!
-Don't predict the future on subjects you are clueless about.
-Give me prescriptions & proscriptions based on education and sciences.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Hebrew's word for religion is something else entirely
(Especially in the Hebrew bible).
It actually means Laws.
We don't really have a word with the meaning of religion as you use it.
Although today when people say it they use it to describe laws of a non governmental authority.
In the bible, the word is used to describe rules of kings and prophets just the same.
So basically, if translated to Hebrew You want anarchy

Well, is anarchy any better or worse than division for eternity - as some see such - given that some see their particular beliefs triumphing?

 

[Mock Turtle]

Should we assume the use of the double negative implies you do need these things?
(Pedants R Us)

So, the use of humour is inappropriate?

 

[SalixIncendium]

What is the purpose of your religion (which is slightly different from mine)?

In the simplest terms, understanding the nature of one's being and the nature of reality.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Well, it is the same in my belief system also.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would change that to:

-Give me secular leaders.
-Give me freedom of belief.
-Educate me how to find the truth.
-Study scriptures, it shows all humans mistakes and errors made throughout our history.
-Let me find my own meaning and purpose, don't force me to adopt your!
-Don't predict the future on subjects you are clueless about.
-Give me prescriptions & proscriptions based on education and sciences.

In the theme of the OP, the listed items were
things I don't need from religion. So you're
changing up the list function, eh.

 

[Dropship]

All religions are false except potentially one from God..

Which one is that?..

 

[Segev Moran]

Well, is anarchy any better or worse than division for eternity - as some see such - given that some see their particular beliefs triumphing?

Anarchy is without a doubt far worse.
So far, humans managed to survive with divisions.
I am not saying division is good, it has a lot of destructive and selfish effects.
Those who see their own beliefs as triumph, are those who disregard the entire humans history and without a doubt are not familiar with the basic teachings of God.

 

[Segev Moran]

In the theme of the OP, the listed items were
things I don't need from religion. So you're
changing up the list function, eh.

Lol, I Didn't notice that...
So read it as a complementary to your ideas

 

[Mock Turtle]

Anarchy is without a doubt far worse.
So far, humans managed to survive with divisions.
I am not saying division is good, it has a lot of destructive and selfish effects.
Those who see their own beliefs as triumph, are those who disregard the entire humans history and without a doubt are not familiar with the basic teachings of God.

Well so far we haven't seen the use of nuclear weapons allied to some religious belief but it's not beyond the realm of possibility that such might happen, along with the normal stupid wars involving such of course. But I think it likely that religions will decline in the future even if not for some time.

 

[Segev Moran]

Well so far we haven't seen the use of nuclear weapons allied to some religious belief but it's not beyond the realm of possibility that such might happen, along with the normal stupid wars involving such of course. But I think it likely that religions will decline in the future even if not for some time.

I don't think religions will decline, rather the radicality of them.
Not only Nuke is not beyond the realm of reality. Iran is closing the gap quite fast and hopefully when it does have nukes, it wont fall into their religious leaders.

 

[Revoltingest]

Lol, I Didn't notice that...
So read it as a complementary to your ideas

Makes sense now.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Hell awaiting those too arrogant for God is a reality whether Islam is true or not.

You can't possibly know this for certain. Your thoughts are now deemed irrelevant since you have proven that you cannot distinguish between items of knowledge you can demonstrate that you hold and those you cannot. This is a reality whether Islam is true or not.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

More about the effects of religions that probably upsets some of us than what is believed.

Andl I suppose I should apologise to some extent for the thread - perhaps being an outbreak of whine-fever - when mostly I couldn't care less as to what others believe regarding religious beliefs.

And where we could all do with some education.

What "effects" are you referring to?

 

[Mock Turtle]

What "effects" are you referring to?

For some - as to attitudes towards females (perhaps seeing no equivalence with males on so many things); attitudes to children (as to expecting to be able to educate/indoctrinate into the same religion - and often no other); attitudes to those who are non-binary sexually and for those with whatever attractions not seen as appropriate; doctrines that may not help unity and/or are a drag on any progress we might want to see - given that we can't have all of the outcomes that some religions want or expect; the division and conflicts they often cause, etc.

You don't see any negative effects?

 

[Mock Turtle]

PS Perhaps I should have added as a last line to the OP - so as to emphasise where it came from:

In fact, I don't need no religion for not anything!