I don't particularly want to sin...

[Sgt. Pepper]

Probably not as much as you are. Do you think you are morally superior, as a Christian? I ask because we are discussing sin, and arrogance would be a form of sin, yes?

According to the Bible, discord and dissension are acts of the flesh. Doesn't discord and dissension describe these particular posts that you've been responding to? I would say that these posts don't exactly emulate love, peace, forbearance, kindness, gentleness and self-control. What do you think? Personally, I think these specific posts are the polar opposite of the Fruit of the Spirit.

"The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians: who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.” - Brennan Manning

 

[F1fan]

According to the Bible, discord and dissension are acts of the flesh. Doesn't discord and dissension describe these particular posts that you've been responding to? I would say that these posts don't exactly emulate love, peace, forbearance, kindness, gentleness and self-control. What do you think? Personally, I think these specific posts are the polar opposite of the Fruit of the Spirit.

"God affords believers certain advantages that takes away their virtues. Atheists have the disadvantages of hell to constantly be mindful of virtues." -Fred Crocket

 

[loverofhumanity]

That is why an Islamic nation can behead people for being a journalist, and God approves (because the leaders says so). Those will be crimes in more advanced nations due to secular laws.


Open minded liberalism wants to move forward, but conservatism is moving towards authoritarianism and causing serious steps backwards. You guys should involve yourselves in politics.

The Bahai understanding is that there are two processes happening simultaneously. The collapse of the old civilisation and ways and the rise of a new world civilisation based upon humanitarian principles and oneness. The death pangs of the old and the birth pangs of the new side by side. Humanity is thus struggling to remove the worn out shibboleths and introduce modern ways for this new age. Traditionalists want to hold onto the old so go to extremes like forming terrorist organisations but the world is moving on gradually to embrace the new and these groups cannot stop progress.

Baha’is are not involved with reviving the old order. It would be like trying to put a Band-Aid on a cancer. We are involving in reconciliation, the elimination of prejudices and promoting the oneness of humanity. So instead of involving ourselves in divisive politics, we are more concerned with creating virtuous people and noble trustworthy institutions. In short, the spiritualisation of mankind.

 

[ppp]

Do you think the isolating a phrase from my entire paragraph, undermines my assertions? Do you think that ignoring my comment to not make the exceptions the rule, went unnoticed?

I don't think the additional text mattered one way or the other. But if you are going to make a fuss about it, here you go.

Mosquitos, lizards, reptiles, insects, lions, camels, eagles, vultures, giraffes, tuna, salmon, barracuda, piranha, amoeba, hydra, squirrels, badgers, orcas, great whites, etc.....
I think that your understanding of the animal kingdom is entirely off-base with reality.

Are you under impression that citing random animals negates her perfectly sound point?

 

[loverofhumanity]

But the whole point is that there are classes of religious people in religions that are criminals and murderers to humanists, but to themselves they are acting through the authority of God. The question is IF a God exists why is is it letting these people go so far astray?

I tend to hear "free will" but that is a bogus excuse. There is something deficient with the people, or the theology, or the books, or all of it, and God created it all knowing there are flaws.

Either the God doesn't exist, or it exists but is incompetent, or just doesn't care.

I think it’s quite simple. We cannot force people to be good. A lot depends on upbringing, education and the type of environment the person was brought up in. Education is essential but when people lose control of their emotions and commit murder they have only themselves to blame as it happened by their hands.

Holy Books can’t force people to be peaceful or kind. God wont do anymore than advise us. If a doctor prescribes a cure for a life threatening illness and we refuse to take it and die that is not the doctors fault but our own stupidity for not taking the medicine or not trusting the doctor.

 

[ppp]

A study about where morality comes from. Not just an idea based on experience that is anecdotal correspondence data.

Here you go.

Ethology applied to animal ethics - ScienceDirect
Ethology applied to animal ethics - ScienceDirect
https://www.wellbeingintlstudiesrepository.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=exprawel

1. Collins, Harber (2012). Collins COBUILD Advanced Dictionary of English. Higher Education Press. ISBN 9787040327878.
2. ^ Ristau, C, Erlbaum L, et al. (1991). Cognitive Ethology. "Biological Psychology", 32 (2-3): 220-222
3. ^ : Dale Jamieson and Marc Bekoff Source: Analysis, Vol. 52, No. 1 (Jan., 1992), pp. 23-28
4. ^ Dittrich, W.H. (1998) Book review of Allen & Bekoff (1997) on Cognitive Ethology.
5. ^ Kingstone, A., Smilek, D. & Eastwood, J. D., (2008) 'Cognitive Ethology: a new approach for studying human cognition'. British Journal of Psychology, 99, 317-340
6. ^ Bekoff, M. (1994) "Cognitive ethology and the treatment of non-human animals: How matters of mind inform matters of welfare." Animal Welfare, Vol 3(2),75-96
7. ^ Shettleworth, S. J. (2010) Cognition, Evolution, and Behavior New York: Oxford
8. ^ Bekoff, Marc (1995). "Cognitive Ethology and the Explanation of Nonhuman Animal Behavior". Comparative Approaches to Cognitive Science. J.A. Meyer and H. L. Roitblat, Eds .: 119–150.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Unfortunately prejudices are being used to build a common bond among conservatives in the USA, and elsewhere.

Yes that’s the way of politics, it’s very divisive. That’s why we Baha’is steer clear of it.

 

[ppp]

Yes that’s the way of politics, it’s very divisive. That’s why we Baha’is steer clear of it.

As is religion.

 

[loverofhumanity]

As is religion.

Religion is not divisive, man is. All the religions teach unity and love but men have not followed this path so although outwardly they call themselves religious, they are not.

Religion is only true religion if it unites and is a cause of peace and brotherhood. Any group which claims to be a religion but is a cause of prejudice, war and hatred is no religion and to wash one’s hands of such a group is a truly religious act.

Religion must unite all people from all religions and all backgrounds or it is no religion.

 

[firedragon]

Here you go.

Ethology applied to animal ethics - ScienceDirect
Ethology applied to animal ethics - ScienceDirect
https://www.wellbeingintlstudiesrepository.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=exprawel

1. Collins, Harber (2012). Collins COBUILD Advanced Dictionary of English. Higher Education Press. ISBN 9787040327878.
2. ^ Ristau, C, Erlbaum L, et al. (1991). Cognitive Ethology. "Biological Psychology", 32 (2-3): 220-222
3. ^ : Dale Jamieson and Marc Bekoff Source: Analysis, Vol. 52, No. 1 (Jan., 1992), pp. 23-28
4. ^ Dittrich, W.H. (1998) Book review of Allen & Bekoff (1997) on Cognitive Ethology.
5. ^ Kingstone, A., Smilek, D. & Eastwood, J. D., (2008) 'Cognitive Ethology: a new approach for studying human cognition'. British Journal of Psychology, 99, 317-340
6. ^ Bekoff, M. (1994) "Cognitive ethology and the treatment of non-human animals: How matters of mind inform matters of welfare." Animal Welfare, Vol 3(2),75-96
7. ^ Shettleworth, S. J. (2010) Cognition, Evolution, and Behavior New York: Oxford
8. ^ Bekoff, Marc (1995). "Cognitive Ethology and the Explanation of Nonhuman Animal Behavior". Comparative Approaches to Cognitive Science. J.A. Meyer and H. L. Roitblat, Eds .: 119–150.

Thanks for a list. Good list. Irrelevant though. But thanks nevertheless for putting such a magnanimous effort to give me a list.

Ask: A study
Response: A cut and paste from the reference section of a wikipedia page.

Super study. Kudos.

Cheers.

 

[loverofhumanity]

As is religion.

Excellent point. Current day ‘forms’ of religion are divisive but not their original teachings which always taught unity and brotherhood.

 

[DNB]

I was. And you read my post post talking about it.


And what if your dogma is a lie, and you aren't aware of it like others as they observe in Christian behavior?


Probably not as much as you are. Do you think you are morally superior, as a Christian? I ask because we are discussing sin, and arrogance would be a form of sin, yes?

Bad news does not necessitate a lie.

 

[ppp]

Religion is not divisive, man is

Like politics, religion only exists as a function of humans. Most religions are inherently divisive; entailing an us/them mindset.

All the religions teach unity and love

That is false. Most religions are toxic in their versions of love.

Any group which claims to be a religion but is a cause of prejudice, war and hatred is no religion

No true Scotsman - Wikipedia

 

[DNB]

I don't think the additional text mattered one way or the other. But if you are going to make a fuss about it, here you go.



Are you under impression that citing random animals negates her perfectly sound point?

In your avatar, what's that in your mouth?

 

[ppp]

Excellent point. Current day ‘forms’ of religion are divisive but not their original teachings which always taught unity and brotherhood.

Trivially incorrect

 

[ppp]

Thanks for a list. Good list. Irrelevant though.

It's not. But as it screws up your narrative. I can certainly see why you would want to project the notion that it is irrelevant.

You're welcome.

 

[ppp]

In your avatar, what's that in your mouth?

The livers of those who lack the courage of their convictions. Yours is delicious.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Like politics, religion only exists as a function of humans. Most religions are inherently divisive; entailing an us/them mindset.


That is false. Most religions are toxic in their versions of love.



No true Scotsman - Wikipedia

I believe the Holy Books/ Prophets teach love and unity. The clergy though often do teach toxic forms of love.

 

[firedragon]

That is false. Most religions are toxic in their versions of love.

What are the religions you have studied so much to make such a positive claim?

 

[firedragon]

It's not. But as it screws up your narrative. I can certainly see why you would want to project the notion that it is irrelevant.

You're welcome.

Nah. A cut and paste of a list does not screw up anything. It just shows someones depth in understanding what a study means. I understand your necessity to jump and respond to someone else's post of someone else's requirement, but why not put across a case based on a study? Is not that better than just a cut and paste from the reference section of a wikipedia page that speaks about animal conscious awareness etc?

We were speaking about humans. Just look what you are responding to prior to cutting and pasting lists from the first internet source you come across.

Hope you understand.