I don't understand the Bible

[psychoslice]

If I had a nickel for the various explanations that countlessly abound.....

It's a solid givin that no one understands the Bible nor will anyone ever. Only one's with a clue are it's long dead authors whomever they were.

Yes that is true, but having said that, I feel that there are only a few who do see truth within those dead pages.

 

[Scuba Pete]

That's is factually an unsupportable opinion.

Well, you'll find it in the scriptures.

I Corinthians 2:6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 However, as it is written:

“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. (NIV) (Go ahead and read the entire chapter)

Even better, here's an account of a revelation:

Acts 22:6 “About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. 7 I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’
8 “‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked.
“ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied. 9 My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me.
10 “‘What shall I do, Lord?’ I asked.
“ ‘Get up,’ the Lord said, ‘and go into Damascus. There you will be told all that you have been assigned to do.’ 11 My companions led me by the hand into Damascus, because the brilliance of the light had blinded me. (NIV)

You go yo church to learn from those who have knowledge, you cannot ever possess it without study.

Really now? You can study and still not possess it.

John 5:39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life. (NIV)

Many just think they understand while being in the dark their whole lives.

They call him Lord, Lord and even prophecy in his name... they just don't feed his brothers and sisters. They sought after knowledge and not love.

Example. Do you understand the parable of a mustard seed in context? Can you please explain us what that parable means from your "revealed" what ever that means.

There's a lot in that short passage. What part don't you understand? I'll leave you with this final passage, but you should study the roll of the Spirit in how we learn about God...

II Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. (NIV)

 

[outhouse]

Well, you'll find it in the scriptures.

I Corinthians 2:6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 However, as it is written:

“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. (NIV) (Go ahead and read the entire chapter)

Even better, here's an account of a revelation:

Acts 22:6 “About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. 7 I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’
8 “‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked.
“ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied. 9 My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me.
10 “‘What shall I do, Lord?’ I asked.
“ ‘Get up,’ the Lord said, ‘and go into Damascus. There you will be told all that you have been assigned to do.’ 11 My companions led me by the hand into Damascus, because the brilliance of the light had blinded me. (NIV)

Really now? You can study and still not possess it.

John 5:39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life. (NIV)

They call him Lord, Lord and even prophecy in his name... they just don't feed his brothers and sisters. They sought after knowledge and not love.

There's a lot in that short passage. What part don't you understand? I'll leave you with this final passage, but you should study the roll of the Spirit in how we learn about God...

II Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. (NIV)

I'm sorry bud, but that is all apologetic rhetoric, and carries no historical value.


Its why you will not or cannot tell me about the parable of the mustard seed in context. I guess it wasn't revealed to you yet. Funny my professor revealed it to me.

 

[outhouse]

There's a lot in that short passage. What part don't you understand? I'll leave you with this final passage, but you should study the roll of the Spirit in how we learn about God...

II Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. (NIV)

That has nothing to do with the mustard seed. Fail. Try again?

 

[Scuba Pete]

I'm sorry bud, but that is all apologetic rhetoric, and carries no historical value.

Which makes it just as valid as your beliefs.

Its why you will not or cannot tell me about the parable of the mustard seed in context. I guess it wasn't revealed to you yet. Funny my professor revealed it to me.

I'm not your slave that I feel compelled to answer every request in an attempt to pander to your ego. We call this a "troll", for no matter what I say or don't say, you'll simply twist it to your heart's desire. If you want to have a conversation, then let's keep it civil and free from these childish "gotchas" that seem to pass for logic these days. I won't wrestle with pigs. They enjoy it, I don't and I get all dirty.

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[outhouse]

Which makes it just as valid as your beliefs.

Sorry mine is based on academia and very credible.

Yours is unsubstantiated.

 

[outhouse]

I'm not your slave

I asked you to substantiate your claim with a nice easy answer to a very simple question.


No big deal to me, you cannot show us your "revealed" religious knowledge.

So what exactly is revealed to you? Its not academic knowledge, its not biblical knowledge. Lets just say one cannot gain knowledge from reflecting inwards. One needs to go to school.

 

[outhouse]

feel compelled to answer every request in an attempt to pander to your ego.

Your not pandering to anything. You made a claim and I simply want to show that academia trumps secret messages from who knows where inside your conscious mind.


No really what is revealed? Do you here voices in your head? or just all of a sudden you have infinite knowledge so you find no need for credible academia?


Sorry I asked for a simple question academia knows by heart.

 

[outhouse]

Acts 22:6 “About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. 7 I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’
8 “‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked.
“ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth,

Funny Paul HIMSELF never, makes that claim, nor even mentions the smallest version of it. NOT even a word about it. HHHHMMmmmm

Instead he claims he had a feeling from within.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Sorry mine is based on academia and very credible.

This made me literally laugh out loud. My cat had to come check to see what I was laughing about. So, could you provide us the data you used to arrive at your conclusion? I want to see the actual citations of this "academia". Until then, you're less than credible. Anyone who thinks that their belief system is somehow superior to anyone else's is guilty of egocentrism. Just because you have adopted it, does not make it irrefutable, nor does it make it correct for everyone.

Yours is unsubstantiated.

Here is Wikipedia's article on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revelation There are quite a number of religions that are referred to as "revealed" religions. You might disagree with them just as I disagree with you, but that doesn't change the facts. FWIW, your's is just as unsubstantiated. Many think it the height of foolishness. In any event, as much as your ego will hate to hear this, you require just as much faith for your beliefs as I do.

 

[outhouse]

Really now? You can study and still not possess it.

John 5:39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life. (NIV)

Did this revealed religious knowledge teach you to take everything out of context?

That has nothing to do with study to learn biblical knowledge.

John 5:39

Wow did they reveal to you that your taking the text WAY out of context?

http://biblehub.com/john/5-39.htm

You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me

5:39-44 The Jews considered that eternal life was revealed to them in their Scriptures, and that they had it, because they had the word of God in their hands. Jesus urged them to search those Scriptures with more diligence and attention. Ye do search the Scriptures, and ye do well to do so. They did indeed search the Scriptures, but it was with a view to their own glory. It is possible for men to be very studious in the letter of the Scriptures, yet to be strangers to its power.

Says nothing about not having knowledge by academic study.

 

[outhouse]

You might disagree with them just as I disagree with you,

Your taking the text way out of context.

In the Abrahamic religions, the term is used to refer to the process by which God reveals knowledge of himself, his will, and his divine providence to the world of human beings

This means in religion, not reality.

It does not say this exist outside mythology and theology, it says within religion only, and we know religions contain mythology.


For instance, Orthodox Jews, Christians and Muslims believe that the Torah was received from Yahweh on biblical Mount Sinai.


Key word is believe. That means they have faith if you can follow common context.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Your not pandering to anything.

You're right. I'm not pandering to anyone... not even you.

Do you here voices in your head?

I don't, do you? For all your academia, I'm surprised that you use "your" for "you're" and "here" for "hear". Most academics are pretty careful in their (not there) choice of words. Pseudo-academics obviously don't give a crap about things like that: they just want to drivel on like they are somehow superior. I have to admit that I am underwhelmed here. You don't strike me as being very academic. Not a bit.

Sorry I asked for a simple question academia knows by heart.

That was indeed a "simple" question. I'm sure you've got a glib answer that demonstrates what a critical regurgitator you can be. (Before you look it up, regurgitator is a made up word... just for you.) Again, if you're trying to impress us with a sparkling repartee, then we are all underwhelmed yet once more. That's another fail in that regard. Would you like to quit while you're behind?

 

[outhouse]

This made me literally laugh out loud

So does unsubstantiated claims of revealed knowledge, that does not exist.

You have no examples at all, even though you made the claim.


You cannot even answer a simple question, about a common parable. Because you cannot, it was not revealed to you.


Ask your pastor or priest if he had to go to school to learn his trade, or just sit in a closet with the doors closed so he could get revealed

 

[Scuba Pete]

It does not say this exist outside mythology and theology, it says within religion only, and we know religions contain mythology.

As much as atheism. Sure.

God has revealed himself to me. Prove me wrong. Go ahead. I triple dog dare you.

 

[outhouse]

For all your academia, I'm surprised that you use "your" for "you're" and "here" for "hear"

Good catch, thank you. Unlike you I can admit I'm wrong and don't know everything and grammar is my weak point.

 

[outhouse]

God has revealed himself to me

Just no biblical knowledge ?

 

[outhouse]

As much as atheism

Atheism contains mythology? was that revealed to you?

 

[outhouse]

What part of revealed? has anything to do with understanding the bible?


Do you go into a closet and shut the door when you want to learn about the bible to fully understand it?

Or to understand the bible do you look up things in WIKI like you just did a moment ago?


Why didn't you go in a closet and get this knowledge revealed?

 

[outhouse]

For those of you who would like REAL help learning the NT and to better understand it.


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEkwozRuBC-1oYqq5o3EXPdMxeXm2_dsO