I have another question for YOU to ignore

[savagewind]

I don't understand that.

It's like the difference between your job is preaching or you preach at your job. It is not allowed in most places to preach while you work, but by a person's good behavior at work, many people can see that living for God's Kingdom can be a worthy undertaking.

Can you see a difference between getting up each day with the goal of converting someone else and getting up each day for the hope of being better converted to Christ yourself?

How can anyone make other people righteous for Jesus before even he himself is righteous for Jesus?

Isn't being a disciple about making ONE'S SELF righteous for God's Kingdom?

Matthew 28:19 is about making OTHERS righteous for God's Kingdom.

 

[savagewind]

Why would Jesus care how much it would cost?

YOU say why don't I publish another Bible for the truth about Jesus. How much does it cost?

 

[savagewind]

Matthew 28:20 (KJV) 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Is that not converting people?

You are not that stupid. Good bye, sir.

 

[ukok102nak]

~;> one of many ways
to be one of them (those disciples)
is to lead an example
as someone who wants to fulfill their salvation
as what other people do who believe in god
as it is written
:read:
1 Corinthians 9:12
If others partake of this right over you, do not we yet more? Nevertheless we did not use this right, but we bear all things, that we may cause no hindrance to the Good News of Messiah.
13 Do you not know that those who serve around sacred things eat from the things of the temple, and those who wait on the altar have their portion with the altar?
14 Even so the Lord ordained that those who proclaim the Good News should live from the Good News.


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godbless
unto all always

 

[savagewind]

If teaching a person the Bible and Jesus makes him or her a disciple of Jesus, then how is it there are many thieves, liars and child abusers who know the Bible very, very well?

Is it because they don't really know Jesus? OK? Then how is it true that baptizing and teaching them make them disciples like you say it does and like the Bible says it does?

 

[ukok102nak]

~;> that depends upon those who will baptize and teach anyone accordin to the words of god
as some were true
But false prophets also arose among the people, as false teachers will also be among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, denying even the Master who bought them, bringing on themselves swift destruction.
Many will follow their immorala ways, and as a result, the way of the truth will be maligned.
In covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words: whose sentence now from of old does not linger, and their destruction is not asleep

as they say
as it is written
:read:
1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world: our faith.


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godbless
unto all always

 

[savagewind]

Being a disciple and preaching Jesus Christ when able will promote God's righteousness in Jesus' name.
I can't believe there are people who call themselves Christian who trust that God's will for them is to be making more people
righteous the way they believe in righteousness, instead of what I still believe it says which is BE my disciples to all nations
AND baptize and teach, but not as someone who knows (Jesus knows) but as someone who is an apprentice.

YOU, The Bible, the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses and the Pope all say that God wants apprentices to be MAKING other people righteous for God's will be done.

And that makes sense?????????????????????????????????????

 

[ukok102nak]

~;> actually not
as what christjesus said before
:read:
John 18:36
Yeshua answered, "My Kingdom is not of this world. If my Kingdom were of this world, then my servants would fight, that I would not be delivered to the Jewish leaders. But now my Kingdom is not from here."

thats why
christjesus said this thing again
so as it is written
:read:
John 13:16
Truly, truly, I tell you, a servant is not greater than his lord, neither one who is sent greater than he who sent him.


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godbless
unto all always

Being a disciple and preaching Jesus Christ when able will promote God's righteousness in Jesus' name.
I can't believe there are people who call themselves Christian who trust that God's will for them is to be making more people
righteous the way they believe in righteousness, instead of what I still believe it says which is BE my disciples to all nations
AND baptize and teach, but not as someone who knows (Jesus knows) but as someone who is an apprentice.

YOU, The Bible, the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses and the Pope all say that God wants apprentices to be MAKING other people righteous for God's will be done.

And that makes sense?????????????????????????????????????

 

[savagewind]

~;> actually not
godbless
unto all always

Actually not what? Is it possible you are agreeing with me that Matthew 28:19 can't rightly say, "make"?

It does.

 

[savagewind]

godbless
unto all always

How about we bless the Bible and bring it back to what was really said? It can't do it itself. That is a fact.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

YOU say why don't I publish another Bible for the truth about Jesus. How much does it cost?

I have no idea. Do you think Jesus is worried about saving money?

It's like the difference between your job is preaching or you preach at your job. It is not allowed in most places to preach while you work, but by a person's good behavior at work, many people can see that living for God's Kingdom can be a worthy undertaking.

The command to make disciples is for the ones appointed that task, not for everyone.

I believe the whole of the Body of Christ is to preach this way,

Mat 5:14-16 (ESVST) 14 "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

You are not that stupid. Good bye, sir.

You are right, I'm not that stupid!

 

[savagewind]

A disciple of Jesus is he who loves God with all his mind..........and his neighbor as himself.

If you might be able to abolish just one human tendency, what would it be?
I'll tell you mine. No more would it be possible for any one to lead anyone else down the wrong way.
If anyone would want to investigate the wrong way, let them be by his or her self doing it.
I suppose going the wrong way might be fun for someone, but would not be fun for someone else who is taken along
without his compliance, but that is what people do.

If those people who do that really did love his neighbor as himself, it would not be possible to lead the unwary down the wrong way.
If a believer DID obey that we should speak truth to one another, it would not be possible to lead another person down the wrong way.

THEY say Jesus said, "take care you are not misled". Does that make sense a shepherd could possibly say that?
Didn't he say, "take care you do not mislead"?

We know that it is possible for a disciple of Jesus to mislead his student. Or are we?

 

[ukok102nak]

~;> actually you read those verses
and probably that verses Matthew 28:19
you are pertaining is something that must be done with love
as it is written
:read:
1 Corinthians 13:8
Love never comes to an end. There is the gift of speaking what God has revealed, but it will no longer be used. There is the gift of speaking in other languages, but it will stop by itself. There is the gift of knowledge, but it will no longer be used.

also
if we bless the Bible and bring it back to what was really said then
perhaps we need the guide of all that is holy


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godbless
unto all always

How about we bless the Bible and bring it back to what was really said? It can't do it itself. That is a fact.

Actually not what? Is it possible you are agreeing with me that Matthew 28:19 can't rightly say, "make"?

It does.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

THEY say Jesus said, "take care you are not misled". Does that make sense a shepherd could possibly say that?
Didn't he say, "take care you do not mislead"?

Makes a whole lot of sense, when you look at it as Jesus warning us not to believe everything we hear!

Luke 21:8 (ESV Strong's) 8 And he said, “See that you are not led astray. For many will come in my name, saying, I am he!’ and, The time is at hand!’ Do not go after them.

You think this sounds better?,

"And He said, [see that you do not mislead], for many will come in My name, saying, I am he! and, The time is at hand!, DO NOT GO AFTER THEM!"

 

[savagewind]

~;> actually you read those verses
and probably that verses Matthew 28:19
you are pertaining is something that must be done with love
as it is written
:read:
1 Corinthians 13:8
Love never comes to an end. There is the gift of speaking what God has revealed, but it will no longer be used. There is the gift of speaking in other languages, but it will stop by itself. There is the gift of knowledge, but it will no longer be used.

also
if we bless the Bible and bring it back to what was really said then
perhaps we need the guide of all that is holy


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godbless
unto all always

Read Matthew 28:19 and Matthew 24:4 with wisdom.
God is love. Is Jesus the way, The Truth and the life............................... or not?
Is Jesus for teaching us the truth or are all the indiscreet apprentices for teaching it?
God teaches the believer love. True? Matthew 28:19 seems to be saying that the people
who are Jesus' disciples teach love.

I think people can teach people wisdom, but God teaches people love. To be a disciple of Jesus is to love.
True or false?

 

[savagewind]

Please someone tell me why it is so wrong to say what is written was written wrong? I never once said that the human who heard it
is wrong. I say the ones who have handled it AFTER that are wrong.

Scripture supports my opinion.

Every man a liar proves to be.
There is no one righteous, no not one.
Psalms 116:11
Psalms 146:3
Psalms 118:8-9
Isaiah 2:22
Jeremiah 17:5

Some evil people will say how can savagewind trust all those above are true but not trust that everything is true? Really, they are eating me alive.
Thank God for this. 2 Corinthians 4:16

 

[savagewind]

1 Chronicles 13:9-10
Matthew 10:28

 

[savagewind]

The shepherd tells his sheep that it is THEIR responsibility to be led and not misled, but really in THIS true world it is the shepherd's job to lead his sheep.

So? What about Matthew 24:4? Stupid people approved it at their confidential council meetings that Jesus' sheep should beware of not being misled.
The regular person was not invited to that meeting.
The regular person didn't even have a Bible. Good God, many of them didn't even know how to read.

What does it mean? It means do not be like them who come, who teach the Gospel any which way they want to and they mislead people.

Tell us when will these things be and what sign will you give and when will we be done? Look, not anyone you mislead* ........because many will come even in my name but THEY will mislead many people. Be not like them because they will bring in much trouble. I do not want you to be sharers with them in their making trouble.
take care that you do not mislead (like they do).
Matthew 23:3

*If you are following Jesus truly and obeying him truly and learning from HIM truly, you will not mislead anyone, of course not even yourself.

Anyway, the way Matthew 24:4 is being taught, the sheep are actually not being led by Jesus, because if they were being led by Jesus HOW
is it possible to not be led at the same time?

They are either led by him, or they are not. How can they be both led and misled accordant?

If they can be misled, then they really are not following him.

So then Matthew 24:4 is for who? Not Jesus' sheep, that's for sure.

 

[savagewind]

John 10:5 compare Matthew 24:4 and Mark 9:42 and Luke 17:1-2

I am sure I am not mistaken that to be misled is not the same as to
quit following. Someone might quit following Jesus because he or she
can't stand with someone else who is following, but badly. Thus, Matthew 24:4
but the RIGHT way, as written. Take head that no one you mislead. See that you do not mislead because..........some will be teachers and shepherds. Matthew 24:4 is for them.

 

[savagewind]

Do you really love tradition more than you love Jehovah?