OK. I do that. But I think you do it assuming it is all right.
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OK. Are they the same? Or is to be a disciple paramount and to make disciples is what God does?
Desert Snake
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This" meaning when they received the word.
When? Like at one time? I think that understanding God's words takes time and is on-going.
Desert Snake
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They would seem to be the same when one is discipling.
I think that to disciple means to draw close to God through Jesus Christ. Surely you do not believe that you are able to make someone else draw close to God?
Desert Snake
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Sorry, that seems variable, to me. Jesus wants us to disciple /verb, in some fashion.
Why do you think disciple only has one meaning?
To be a disciple means to learn from a master whole-souled. What other meaning is there?
Desert Snake
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Are you implying that Scripture is basically all false?
Yes, the premise is, to accept Eesu as Lord.
No. Are you implying that if some of it is true then it all must be true?
Desert Snake
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And yet your religion is none?
Desert Snake
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No, because faulty translation has occured. Obfuscating translations.
I do not believe that faith and religion are the same things.
Faith is belief. I think that my faith is similar to your faith.
Religion is something that defines faith but if you confess a religion you become a servant of IT.
John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free
Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
I agree with you. To add "make" at Matthew 28:19 is a faulty translation. Obey the fault if you will. I am saying that you shouldn't make yourselves a slave to the words.
I think that to profess a "religion" is to choose a path. I do not choose a path.
Isn't Christianity about choosing a shepherd? How can a sheep choose his own path?
Isn't Christianity about choosing a shepherd? How can a sheep choose his own path?
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It is more about the Shepherd choosing the sheep. Then they follow the path their shepherd takes.
Cynicism and skepticism are the crudest form of quasi-intellectualism... Let the cynic become cynical of his cynicism and the skeptic skeptical of his skepticism and join the battle. R.C. Sproul
Are there two different paths to salvation? Or is everyone who does not get chosen doomed to be without God?
Have you changed the scripture? It is written that God loved the world and sent his son, but what you seem to say is the God loved some people and sent his son for those ones. @omega2xx
You guys are so cute like a baby whenever you say that I can't believe some of the scriptures are right if I don't believe that all of it is right.
You guys are so cute like a baby whenever you say that I can't believe some of the scriptures are right if I don't believe that all of it is right.
God's sovereignty and man's responsibility in salvation is a theological knot that theologians have not even loosened, let alone untied.
The problem is that the Bible clearly speaks of both.
For those who accept man's responsibility we can go to Mt 23:37, ....but you were unwilling. 2 Pet 3:9--If it is God's will that no perish, why not chose them all?
Now the other side of the coin. Rom 9:16 - So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. Jn 1:13 says basically the same thing.
Even the passage on being morn again teaches that we play the same part in our spiritual birth that we played natural birth.
These 2 apparent contradiction are an antinomy---2 truths that seem to be contradictory. When you were born did you start living or dying---Yes. When we are to cleave to someone, are we to be joined or do we need the old meat cleaver?
IMO, they only seem contradictory to us because of our limited knowledge. They are not contradictory to God.
Cynicism and skepticism are the crudest form of quasi-intellectualism... Let the cynic become cynical of his cynicism and the skeptic skeptical of his skepticism and join the battle. R.C. Sproul