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savagewind

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I believe this verse supports that view:
John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that should be written.

I also believe we can trust what has been written and we can't always be sure that someone saying something is coming from the Holy Spirit is not self deceived.
We CAN trust what has been written......but we CAN'T trust that someone "saying" ie writing something is coming from the Holy Spirit. You are NOT making sense.

You are saying that writing is to be trusted but talking isn't to be trusted.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
We CAN trust what has been written......but we CAN'T trust that someone "saying" ie writing something is coming from the Holy Spirit. You are NOT making sense.

You are saying that writing is to be trusted but talking isn't to be trusted.

I believe that is because by the Holy Spirit writings have been authenticated by the Church. Certainly there were writings that were not by the Holy Spirit such as the Gnostic writings but those have been weeded out. Someone saying something now claiming it came by the Holy Spirit must have what he says authenticated.

I believe I say a lot of things on RF by the Holy Spirit but none of it is authenticated. That doesn't mean those things are not true but simply that they have not been verified. Often people refute what I say but not by the Holy Spirit as far as I know.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
How dare I trust that you are all on the road to destruction?

Jesus did say that only a few will find the narrow road. Maybe that means you and the 1 or 2 other people (if there are other people) that believe "make" disciples doesn't really mean, "make" disciples are the only one/s who found the narrow road. You should be happy!
 

savagewind

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Jesus did say that only a few will find the narrow road. Maybe that means you and the 1 or 2 other people (if there are other people)
There is Jesus, of course, and me, and the hearer at first. To have changed the hearer's words is to let him go hungry. Is that not a fact?
and that believe "make" disciples doesn't really mean, "make" disciples
make isn't even there! LOL
But, are the only one/s who found the narrow road.
I am happy to know that you seem to be aware that knowing what Jesus really says is the narrow road :)
You should be happy!
I am happy. Matthew 5:1-12
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
Let's have this out one.....more........time.

A disciple is a verb. To disciple is to be taught by one particular person.
So, Matthew 28:19 really says, "be taught by me".

YOU all, yes, every single one of you, have changed "be taught by Jesus" to "recruit others to be taught by Jesus". If you know any math, put on your thinking cap NOW. To be taught by Jesus is ONE. OK? To be making others to be taught by Jesus is TWO.
Guess what? Put MATH to it and TWO DOES NOT NEED ONE!
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
What does it mean? It means that someone who is not a disciple can really actually be employed in making disciples. That is a fact. MATH is about facts. Isn't it?

To make someone into a disciple does not require being a disciple.

Being a disciple requires being a disciple.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
To be taught by Jesus is ONE.

Jesus is not the teacher, the Holy Spirit is the teacher of the church.

John 14:26 (ESV Strong's) 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
Jesus is not the teacher, the Holy Spirit is the teacher of the church.

John 14:26 (ESV Strong's) 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
What you have done here is turn the discussion AWAY from whether Jesus really said "make" or "be". That is called deception.

Anyway "in my name" is as though whoever is teaching isn't any different than the one who sent it.
 
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