I see no evidence that CT is misunderstanding his own situation. He appears to be a competent adult, not a child.
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I have desided to get the Covid vaccine
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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If they've given your their reasons and they have personal experiences that are behind those reasons, just leave them alone. There's no reason to keep going on and on and on and on telling folks. They know. We all know. They've made their decision.
He said that people he knows have been killed by
vaccination. Even if this were true, it's dubious anecdotal
evidence that runs counter to epidemiological info about
the efficacy of vaccination.
I see that as a misunderstanding that could harm him.
I've given my reasons....
- Less risk of severe Covid 19.
- Less risk of contracting it.
- Less risk of infecting others.
- Less risk of overloading hospitals, leading
to denial or postponement of service to others.
We do not live alone in any society.
We have an obligation to minimize potential
of harming others. So my advice will continue,
objections notwithstanding.
You have no evidence either way about his example. People have died from adverse effects from them. That's just a fact.
For example:
Lisa Shaw: Presenter's death due to complications of Covid vaccine
And that's the BBC, not some "conspiracy" site. Maybe the people he knew got the AZ shot.
It's a "factoid", in that it conveys a misleading
impression to the unaware.
Another fact:
People have died from drinking water.
Does this mean water should be avoided?
Of course not.
You're far more likely to die from Covid 19
than from vaccination.
The informed analyst will compare hospitalization
& death rates from Covid 19 for vaxed & unvaxed.
One should not take 1 data point, & present that
as the total reality.
Someone I know (Katy) died from complications of
heart surgery. But I also know Gus, who is alive
& healthy today only because he had heart surgery.
So the issue is about the likelihood of successful
outcome.....not focusing upon solely the worst
outcome of only 1 alternative.
We have hospitals to treat sick folks. That's what they're for. If you become ill, go to hospital. If culture really cared about minimising harm to others, you'd have:
- More sick leave from work so as not to spread germs.
- Doctors not being paid to prescribe certain drugs that hurt folks, e.g. oxycodone.
- Better standards of housing/offices etc. with fan systems to take out the stale/bad air.
- More time and incentive to engage in exercise and other health affirming pursuits.
That's not the society we live in though.
And if you are ill, go see a doctor. Don't blame folks for making you ill.
The fact still is that people have died from adverse reactions. But for some reason, we're expected to pretend it doesn't happen, just like I see people on here denying that jabbed people can be infected by Covid and die from it, which is denying the science itself (wonder if it's a Covid rule breach on here, as well). Look, at some point, you have trust that people are adults and can make the best decisions for their own body and healthcare. People decide which risks they are willing to take on.
It's still useful to avoid decisions that increase the
probability of being hospitalized.
Tis better to avoid getting ill in the first place.
That's the advice I offer.
It's rather dangerous to advise otherwise.
Stating that fact in isolation for the purpose of
making vaccination look significantly dangerous
as Covid 19 is highly misleading.
It's also true that homosexuals have raped children.
But that's a fact I'd never state because it serves
only to falsely demonize a group.
I seek to correct false beliefs that are harmful.
You're suggesting these beliefs are false in face of what others consider evidence that the vaccine can harm them in ways they don't want to risk. They just weighed the risk the opposite way to you.
I'm not merely "suggesting" they're false.
I'm openly stating so, & providing useful links.
This isn't like religion, where one can believe in
this or that god without consequence. These beliefs
potentially affect CS's health significantly.
So I won't be "browbeaten" into silence about it.
Useful advice will continue to be offered.
If someone sees several folks die of heart attacks after having a vaccine, he's every right not to want it - no matter how much data you push in his face.
And I offer correction for mistaken beliefs & evaluations.
Human experience always trumps anything. You won't win with such esteemed corrections.
"Push in his face"?
Good advice isn't always appreciated.
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I think it's a false dichotomy to state that someone's being an adult necessarily means they can make the best decisions for their body and health care. We often see numerous examples to the contrary ranging from adults who smoke and abuse drugs all the way to ones who flout preventive measures against COVID and end up infecting themselves and others.
I'm not talking about @Conscious thoughts, by the way; he has mentioned that he made his decision after consulting his doctors, and I'm in no position to judge his specific situation. I'm talking generally about the idea that adults can always be trusted to make sound decisions regarding health--or anything else--even when they lack or reject expert knowledge on a subject.