I have no use for God

[Sheldon]

Surely, this is one of the most ridiculous posts ever on this website. To say that you have no use for the Creator is at once silly and pathetic. IMHO

I have no use for any deity either, and like author of the thread I tend to think the deities people create or imagine fulfil some psychological and or emotional need, so if they need to imagine a deity exists, then yes I can see how they'd find such a statement disconcerting.

Maybe it might prove edifying if you explained why you found the claim silly? For the sake of debate, since clearly the statement isn't silly to everyone.

 

[Sheldon]

Did you "find God"
To conclude "I have no use for God"?
Otherwise how do you know?

Some claim "I have no use of a girlfriend"
Then they "get one" AND "use her a lot"

They were just unaware
Due to lack of experience

This is a no true Scotsman fallacy though, I wonder do the theists who relentlessly use such fallacies understand how they appear to people who recognise the value of adherence to such principles in their reasoning?

I have never tried crack for example, never experienced it, now by your rationale I'm in no position to comment on whether I'd find it useful or not. When creating such arguments a useful test is to use a different example, and critically examine the argument for flaws or strengths.

Like argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacies that claim "god can't be disproved", but fail to try it on other unfalsifiable examples like say invisible unicorns, to see how much credence invisible unicorns gain from their argument. Cue the special pleading fallacies...

 

[Twilight Hue]

From @mikkel_the_dane "I can use a version of some deistic God and I have faith in Her."

Ok, I can understand that people find belief in a God useful. I'm not judging that.

For me, even if a God does exist, I have no use for them.

"God", can go about existing and doing whatever a God does but I have no need or use for them. I think for some, God has some psychological/emotional/motivational benefits.

I can handle my own psychological/emotional/motivational needs.
At one time, in the past, maybe I needed God for these things. Now I don't

It was you all along and your right, there is no real need for an imaginary mental sock puppet to do all the 'guiding' and such once you see it for what it is.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Awesome.

Yep. Although people do need a crutch like a mentally generated god to help out, there is nothing like the realization that a god isn't required or needed at all to live and enjoy life with no hangups or extra baggage.

 

[stvdv]

This is a no true Scotsman fallacy though

Not true

I did not give the example to prove something, nor did I claim to have proof

I replied to the OP claim made, showing that this claim might be untrue. So, it's the other way around (a claim was made in the OP without giving evidence)

AND

Unless someone can convince me the claim is true, I do not accept this claim

That's all what's going on here

 

[RestlessSoul]

At this moment, I have no use for doctors. I’ll be sure to consult one if I fall sick though.

 

[LuisDantas]

Congratulations, you are a transtheist.

Or perhaps simply an apatheist.

 

[LuisDantas]

This line of thinking is just so weird to me. While I conceptually understand that culturally pervasive assumptions about gods lead them to view it as a ... what... tool? Emotional crutch? Something like that? I, personally, find that baffling and don't get it. In a polytheistic tradition, saying you've got no use for gods is like.... saying you've got no use for... er... eating. Or sunlight. And gravity. So... yeah. Super weird to me.

In all honesty, I think that the two of you are not using very comparable understandings of what the word "god" means.

That is more than fair enough; I know that you do not presume Abrahamic expectations when you talk about gods.

Unfortunately, even atheists often end up talking about Abrahamic gods as if they were proper representatives of the category as a whole. Which, to say the least, they never were.

 

[firedragon]

From @mikkel_the_dane "I can use a version of some deistic God and I have faith in Her."

Ok, I can understand that people find belief in a God useful. I'm not judging that.

For me, even if a God does exist, I have no use for them.

"God", can go about existing and doing whatever a God does but I have no need or use for them. I think for some, God has some psychological/emotional/motivational benefits.

I can handle my own psychological/emotional/motivational needs.
At one time, in the past, maybe I needed God for these things. Now I don't

It could be a situation where a child has got money and real estate from the parents and later they say they don't need their parents. There are many people who use the streets built by the government using citizens' money saying "I don't need anyone". There are children who are fed by their parents till they grow up and then say "I don't need anyone".

 

[Jedster]

@Nakosis
When you 'received the Knowledge" from Balyogeshwar, did you believe you were shown God directly?
(I'm just curious )

 

[Mock Turtle]

Surely, this is one of the most ridiculous posts ever on this website. To say that you have no use for the Creator is at once silly and pathetic. IMHO

And perhaps your post just displays your bigoted nature?

 

[Sheldon]

Not true

I did not give the example to prove something, nor did I claim to have proof

Not relevant, you made an arbitrary assumption and assigned it to a subgroup, to justify their being a separate group.

They were just unaware
Due to lack of experience

You have no idea what atheists have and have not experienced, you simply assumed this, and then made a 2nd assumption, that they'd interpret this experience as you have and believe as you do, if they experienced what you subjectively believe to be a deity. It is therefore a no true Scotsman fallacy.

I replied to the OP claim made, showing that this claim might be untrue.

Your assumption was flawed as it used a logical fallacy, again you have demonstrated nothing, since a) you don't know what others have experienced, and b) you simply assumed atheists would interpret your subjective experience as you do.

So, it's the other way around (a claim was made in the OP without giving evidence)

Maybe, but now you're just using whataboutism. Tackle the unevidenced claim if you think one was made, don't resort to logical fallacies.

Unless someone can convince me the claim is true, I do not accept this claim

That is an argument from personal incredulity fallacy, just cite the claim you think is unevidenced and ask what objective evidence can be demonstrated to support it.

That's all what's going on here

I strongly disagree, and have carefully explained why.

 

[Sheldon]

At this moment, I have no use for doctors. I’ll be sure to consult one if I fall sick though.

Though of course the efficacy of medicine and expertise of doctors can be objectively evidenced.

 

[Sheldon]

In all honesty, I think that the two of you are not using very comparable understandings of what the word "god" means.

That is more than fair enough; I know that you do not presume Abrahamic expectations when you talk about gods.

Unfortunately, even atheists often end up talking about Abrahamic gods as if they were proper representatives of the category as a whole. Which, to say the least, they never were.

A very good point, since theists often seem to forget that they disbelieve in all the deities atheists do, all but 1. So when they claim to have experienced very different deities, one has to infer the interpretation is as subjective as the experience.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Though of course the efficacy of medicine and expertise of doctors can be objectively evidenced.

As can the efficacy of faith, though probably not to your satisfaction Sheldon, as it appears you have set your heart and mind against all possibility of God.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

From @mikkel_the_dane "I can use a version of some deistic God and I have faith in Her."

Ok, I can understand that people find belief in a God useful. I'm not judging that.

For me, even if a God does exist, I have no use for them.

"God", can go about existing and doing whatever a God does but I have no need or use for them. I think for some, God has some psychological/emotional/motivational benefits.

I can handle my own psychological/emotional/motivational needs.
At one time, in the past, maybe I needed God for these things. Now I don't

Dear Nakosis,

I think it lovely that you have acquired skills to handle your own inner self. One’s sense of independence is a valuable one.

That said; to me, your thread may only make real sense to those who either do not believe in God or to those who see the concept of god(s) as man-made.

To those who do believe in God, it may be harder to see why Man’s sense of not “having use of” God, would matter.


Humbly
Hermit

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It was you all along and your right, there is no real need for an imaginary mental sock puppet to do all the 'guiding' and such once you see it for what it is.

Yeah, the same come for some part of your concept of freedom and rights. They are imaginary mental feel good ideas.

 

[stvdv]

I strongly disagree, and have carefully explained why

Thank you for "carefully explaining"

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca

And by me as contextually true, false, useful, useless depending on context.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

From @mikkel_the_dane "I can use a version of some deistic God and I have faith in Her."

Ok, I can understand that people find belief in a God useful. I'm not judging that.

For me, even if a God does exist, I have no use for them.

"God", can go about existing and doing whatever a God does but I have no need or use for them. I think for some, God has some psychological/emotional/motivational benefits.

I can handle my own psychological/emotional/motivational needs.
At one time, in the past, maybe I needed God for these things. Now I don't

Well, I have faith in humans and I try to act as if we all have positive value. But I accept that you cope differently when it comes to gods.