waitasec
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After browsing RF, I am not so sure.
ha ha
in order to progress there is tension and then there is release
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I have to be honest, Islam freaks me out
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ha ha
in order to progress there is tension and then there is release
Because thinking there's no god obviously means you want to murder people in the millions?
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apophenia
Well-Known Member
No, because finding 'an even worse evil' makes the first one seem saintly in comparison.
Wirey
Fartist
Oh, well, the commies were bad. I guess all those terrorist suicide bombers are a-okay then.
David Duke? Really? Your best source is a Klanner?
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Trey of Diamonds
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I know, right.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
No, no. Communism is good.
Old Scratch
Active Member
Sure are you?
Ayn Rand to you it gave!
Pathetic humans! Such a narrow view of all things you have.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Indeed, Stephen. Now if only a group of people can implement this perfect ideology correctly, eh. Given that Communism totally ignores human nature, I'd say that that just ain't gonna happen - ever.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
Modern views of human nature have been shaped to a depressing degree by the individual zealotry manifest in the madness of Reagan, both Bushes and Thatcher.
Communism does not ignore human nature - the psychology of Luria and Vygotsky are shining examples of the practical utility of a marxist psychology.
Soviet Russia was not a nirvana - but neither is capitalist Russia.
Inequality is a disaster. Look to Europe - all the bailout countries are also the most unequal societies.
Communism is good.
waitasec
Veteran Member
ooooh you said the "c" word...(capitalist)
i'm not afraid of the idea of communism...
the only thing that bothers me about it is that it gives too much power to the few....and lends itself towards a dictatorship...
but ideally, i think it's good too.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
If only you can find a way to force it upon people without their becoming revolting.....perhaps then it would stick.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
Forcing it on anyone will never work, but if people deceide to organise a fair society then it will.
Socialism is the beginning.
waitasec
Veteran Member
If it does that then it's not communism
touche... :yes:
has there ever been a communist state where the tendency of giving power to the few didn't happen?
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
I can't think of any communist state.
I'm locked in a problem of language. I don't believe, and I doubt many contemporary communists believe, that the Soviet Union for example, was a communist country.
The Soviet dictatorship hijacked the term communist and oppressed Eastern Europe for decades - that's not what I'm talking about.
East Germany designated itself a democratic republic, when contemporary politicians discuss democracy or republicanism they are not talking about East Germany. I'm in a similar boat.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
BTW I don't think there has ever been a modern democracy where that hasn't happened either.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Say what? I'm sure there is a coherent idea nested in these words, but I am unable to parse it out.
Marxist psychology? I'll try suppress my giggles.
Like Cuba, like China, like North Korea... et al...
Inequality is reality however much as that rankles some.
Communism is a failed, highly flawed ideology that should never have been taken seriously from the get go.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
And in the process display a complete ignorance of psychology as an academic subject.
Suppress away, I'm indifferent.
Wirey
Fartist
Actually, I agree with him. Marxist psychology is based on a seriously flawed economic model. A person who openly embraced it, like Lenin, would have to either knowingly overlook the gaps in reason, or be dim enough to not fully understand it. To suggest that someone who adheres to communist philosophy (in the commonly understood, political sense of the word) is reasonable seems to be a mistake.
waitasec
Veteran Member
indeed.
there are no perfect systems...because ultimately we are constantly evolving
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