I just want to sin!!!

[F1fan]

Hi,
You make some valid comments.
Lets keep in mind that "Christians" that do the things you mention are not "saved" just because they say so, they are only fooling themselves and giving true Christians a bad name.

So why do you think so many are being duped? And can you identify who is duping them?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Nah. The world is slam full of them. Everyone who has faith in Jesus as the doorway to salvation from the Christian Hell is a true Christian.

Being a member of a religion only makes one a member nothing else.

 

[ppp]

Being a member of a religion only makes one a member nothing else.

Okey doke. So you are a member of the Baha'i religion and nothing else.

 

[F1fan]

No atheists in foxholes?

How many Christians say " Glory be, I am about to receive e- trrnal life!"...when they see the tanks coming.

Reminds me of the last scene of the Burt Reynolds movie The End, where the guy is trying to commit suicide by swimming too far into the ocean and then has a change of heart. So no way he's going to make it back so he starts making promises to God if helps him live.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Okey doke. So you are a member of the Baha'i religion and nothing else.

Definitely! I’ve yet to become a true Baha’i. I’ve been a member for 46 years but that means zilch if I don’t live up to my beliefs.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I am ever-so-often told by Christians who find out that I do not believe that a god exists, that “You are denying God because you just want to sin.” This has always struck me as a bizarre thing to say, as I cannot think of anything that a Christian would consider a sin that I would have needed to leave Christianity to do.

I mean there are lots of good Christians out there doing great things, and most of you are perfectly decent people who I would probably enjoy having as coworkers and neighbors. But seriously folks, you all sin. Every last one of you. You sin inadvertently. You sin impulsively. You sin with premeditation. You covet coworkers, neighbors, friends and random strangers. You covet their stuff and their bodies. Unless you are asexual or (possibly) greysexual, you commit adultery in your hearts, and roughly 25% of you commit adultery in your pants as a married person.

Christian employees steal quarters from their coworker’s desks to buy cokes and they steal office supplies from their employers. Christian employers don’t pay a living wage, and then call the employee lazy when they refuse to work extra hours (bearing false witness). Sometimes the employer even fires them; and while there is no ‘Thou shalt not be a jerk’ commandment, the golden rule takes a beating several times a day/

You leave your parents in nursing homes when you could move them in with you. (C’mon folks! Honor your mother and father.)

You do illegal drugs. You take the lord’s name in vain. You get divorced.

And yet, You are saved by your acceptance of Jesus Christ into your heart as your own personal Lord and Saviour. Hallelujah and Amen. Sing it, Sister!

"I've been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb,
saved and sanctified I am.
All my sins are washed away,
I've been redeemed."​

“unchastity, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, folly”

So, exactly why would I need to leave Christianity to do anything? All the “sins” I might ever commit, I could commit as a Christian. And be saved.

Well, yes. Christians sin, as we are imperfect human beings (but we hope to become perfect one day through the refinement of our souls and the grace of Christ). This idea that Christians don't sin sounds heretical. Probably Calvinist nonsense. Salvation is a journey, not some one time event and one could stumble off the path at any moment, but you can find your footing again. That's why we have repentance. Look at St. Peter and the other Apostles who were cowards and publicly rejected Christ. They repented. The Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans and Methodists all practice confession of sins, although it's not mandatory for the latter three.

 

[ppp]

Definitely! I’ve yet to become a true Baha’i. I’ve been a member for 46 years but that means zilch if I don’t live up to my beliefs.

Ah. Living up to your beliefs is not required to be a true Christian. In Christianity, you are born dirty, filthy, immoral sludge on the shoes of pond scum, and will die that way no matter what your do or how good you are. Non-Christian people who live exemplary lives according to Christian standards either burn in Hell or are annihilated. Your only hope is have faith in Jesus and pray that he washes away your sins and acts as your way and your door to the Father. Amen.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Well, yes. Christians sin, as we are imperfect human beings (but we hope to become perfect one day through the refinement of our souls and the grace of Christ). This idea that Christians don't sin sounds heretical. Probably Calvinist nonsense. Salvation is a journey, not some one time event and one could stumble off the path at any moment, but you can find your footing again. That's why we have repentance. Look at St. Peter and the other Apostles who were cowards and publicly rejected Christ. They repented. The Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans and Methodists all practice confession of sins, although it's not mandatory for the latter three.

Most beautifully put brother. It’s a journey full of pits and falls and when we fail we just get up and try again asking for forgiveness.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Ah. Living up to your beliefs is not required to be a true Christian. In Christianity, you are born dirty, filthy, immoral sludge on the shoes of pond scum, and will die that way no matter what your do or how good you are. Non-Christian people who live exemplary lives according to Christian standards either burn in Hell or are annihilated. Your only hope is have faith in Jesus and pray that he washes away your sins and acts as your way and your door to the Father. Amen.

Those who practise this must be cherry picking verses because moral and upright behaviour is expected in the Gospels. It’s a lazy way of believing, that one does nothing and also that God will magically appear one day and fix all our humanity’s problems.

 

[ppp]

Well, yes. Christians sin, as we are imperfect human beings (but we hope to become perfect one day through the refinement of our souls and the grace of Christ). This idea that Christians don't sin sounds heretical. Probably Calvinist nonsense. Salvation is a journey, not some one time event and one could stumble off the path at any moment, but you can find your footing again. That's why we have repentance. Look at St. Peter and the other Apostles who were cowards and publicly rejected Christ. They repented. The Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans and Methodists all practice confession of sins, although it's not mandatory for the latter three.

It's not a doctrine. It is a knee-jerk circle the wagons response to when someone from a community does something heinous; especially on the basis of their religious belief. He was never a truuue Christian (or whatever). It's the whole ridiculous idea that the honest and sincere practice of one's religion cannot produce any sort of immoral or destructive behavior.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It's not a doctrine. It is a knee-jerk circle the wagons response to when someone from a community does something heinous; especially on the basis of their religious belief. He was never a truuue Christian (or whatever). It's the whole ridiculous idea that the honest and sincere practice of one's religion cannot produce any sort of immoral or destructive behavior.

I see. What makes the difference to me is if they repent and at least try to reform their life. As I said - Christians sin.

 

[ppp]

Those who practise this must be cherry picking verses because moral and upright behaviour is expected in the Gospels. It’s a lazy way of believing, that one does nothing and also that God will magically appear one day and fix all our humanity’s problems.

You can argue versus with Christians. I don't make the news.

 

[mangalavara]

So, exactly why would I need to leave Christianity to do anything? All the “sins” I might ever commit, I could commit as a Christian. And be saved.

In my experience, there are Christians who merely adhere to the world religion of Christianity, and then there are Christians who belong to Jesus. The former category has a lot of individuals who seem to have no problem with sinning against God and human beings. As a Hindu, I really like the latter category.

 

[loverofhumanity]

It's not a doctrine. It is a knee-jerk circle the wagons response to when someone from a community does something heinous; especially on the basis of their religious belief. He was never a truuue Christian (or whatever). It's the whole ridiculous idea that the honest and sincere practice of one's religion cannot produce any sort of immoral or destructive behavior.

Thats an interesting point.

But consider this. Christ says to love one another so a good sincere and honest Christian obeys Him and treats people with kindness, compassion, generosity and love. Where is the truth in the argument that by obeying Jesus to love one another would cause destructive behaviour?

 

[loverofhumanity]

You can argue versus with Christians. I don't make the news.

Im waiting for you to post something I can star or heart. You’re not making it any easier for me. There are plenty of wonderful Christians I know. One even painted my door. And just by coincidence his name was Painter. Lol I couldn’t believe it!

 

[ElishaElijah]

I am ever-so-often told by Christians who find out that I do not believe that a god exists, that “You are denying God because you just want to sin.” This has always struck me as a bizarre thing to say, as I cannot think of anything that a Christian would consider a sin that I would have needed to leave Christianity to do.

I mean there are lots of good Christians out there doing great things, and most of you are perfectly decent people who I would probably enjoy having as coworkers and neighbors. But seriously folks, you all sin. Every last one of you. You sin inadvertently. You sin impulsively. You sin with premeditation. You covet coworkers, neighbors, friends and random strangers. You covet their stuff and their bodies. Unless you are asexual or (possibly) greysexual, you commit adultery in your hearts, and roughly 25% of you commit adultery in your pants as a married person.

Christian employees steal quarters from their coworker’s desks to buy cokes and they steal office supplies from their employers. Christian employers don’t pay a living wage, and then call the employee lazy when they refuse to work extra hours (bearing false witness). Sometimes the employer even fires them; and while there is no ‘Thou shalt not be a jerk’ commandment, the golden rule takes a beating several times a day/

You leave your parents in nursing homes when you could move them in with you. (C’mon folks! Honor your mother and father.)

You do illegal drugs. You take the lord’s name in vain. You get divorced.

And yet, You are saved by your acceptance of Jesus Christ into your heart as your own personal Lord and Saviour. Hallelujah and Amen. Sing it, Sister!

"I've been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb,
saved and sanctified I am.
All my sins are washed away,
I've been redeemed."​

“unchastity, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, folly”

So, exactly why would I need to leave Christianity to do anything? All the “sins” I might ever commit, I could commit as a Christian. And be saved.

You aren’t describing a person who is born again of the Holy Spirit. A person who has been born again has a desire to please God and put to death
the desires of the flesh that lead to death or sin. Why would I seek to live the way I did that landed me in a treatment center for drugs, sexually transmitted diseases, a life of crime and misery?
God changed me and set me on a way better path of eternal life and fellowship with Him.


“Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you. Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:1-17‬ ‭NIV‬‬
Romans 8:5

 

[ppp]

In my experience, there are Christians who merely adhere to the world religion of Christianity, and then there are Christians who belong to Jesus. The former category has a lot of individuals who seem to have no problem with sinning against God and human beings. As a Hindu, I really like the latter category.

I prefer the former with a touch of the latter. They don't let their religious dictates get in the way of doing what is right. Or ignoring what is not wrong.

 

[ppp]

But consider this. Christ says to love one another so a good sincere and honest Christian obeys Him and treats people with kindness, compassion, generosity and love. Where is the truth in the argument that by obeying Jesus to love one another would cause destructive behaviour?

I'm sorry. But that is not the totality of what Jesus said. As for instance, He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And since, in Christianity, Jesus is God, everything that God said in the old testament is what Jesus said.

 

[ppp]

You aren’t describing a person who is born again of the Holy Spirit.

That is something for you to discuss with your fellow Christians. What interests me are the practical effects of Christianity in the real world. The ideals are of less import.

 

[Valjean]

Sometimes the heathen are more righteous than the church goers!

The heathen have to develop their own, internalized morality. They have to think about morality; consider effects and consequences of actions.
The religious have their morality handed to them. They don't need to think about it or wonder why such and such an action is right or wrong. Their morality is only incidentally connected to consequences.

Internal skeleton vs external crutches -- which would you expect to be more robust?