I just want to sin!!!

[danieldemol]

I do not worship it, I only believe in it.

Regardless, you adhere to the dictates of said monster.

So perhaps I should re-phrase to accommodate the technicality;

Its not easy obeying a monster of your own conception, so why do it?

In my opinion.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..he that believeth not shall be damned..

I can believe that.
I can see from the staunch atheists on this site, that some people have an agenda of leading people away from G-d. The ringleaders of dissension cannot be accepted as friends of those responsible for maintaining law and order.

 

[oldbadger]

I am ever-so-often told by Christians who find out that I do not believe that a god exists, that “You are denying God because you just want to sin.” This has always struck me as a bizarre thing to say, as I cannot think of anything that a Christian would consider a sin that I would have needed to leave Christianity to do.

I mean there are lots of good Christians out there doing great things, and most of you are perfectly decent people who I would probably enjoy having as coworkers and neighbors. But seriously folks, you all sin. Every last one of you. You sin inadvertently. You sin impulsively. You sin with premeditation. You covet coworkers, neighbors, friends and random strangers. You covet their stuff and their bodies. Unless you are asexual or (possibly) greysexual, you commit adultery in your hearts, and roughly 25% of you commit adultery in your pants as a married person.

Christian employees steal quarters from their coworker’s desks to buy cokes and they steal office supplies from their employers. Christian employers don’t pay a living wage, and then call the employee lazy when they refuse to work extra hours (bearing false witness). Sometimes the employer even fires them; and while there is no ‘Thou shalt not be a jerk’ commandment, the golden rule takes a beating several times a day/

You leave your parents in nursing homes when you could move them in with you. (C’mon folks! Honor your mother and father.)

You do illegal drugs. You take the lord’s name in vain. You get divorced.

And yet, You are saved by your acceptance of Jesus Christ into your heart as your own personal Lord and Saviour. Hallelujah and Amen. Sing it, Sister!

"I've been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb,
saved and sanctified I am.
All my sins are washed away,
I've been redeemed."​

“unchastity, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, folly”

So, exactly why would I need to leave Christianity to do anything? All the “sins” I might ever commit, I could commit as a Christian. And be saved.

A good dose of messy sinfulness is good for the blood.
Start your day with something really sinful!

 

[Trailblazer]

Its not easy obeying a monster of your own conception, so why do it?

Because I believe it exists and I fear it.
Monsters are frightening.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I think that some of the 'hypocrisy' that I think I've seen in real-life does some work to deflate the efficacy of Christianity, in my view. I have commented before, that I see the whole 'faith before works' idea as giving the largest escape route in the religion. I perceptive that in our modern times, full advantage is taken with that.

For example, I have known people that like to wear their Christian crosses, and get tattoos with christian symbols, but these people are also fond of adultery. Not that I care much if they are, but I am somewhat revolted with the hypocrisy that is therein engaged with. Because obviously, jesus and Paul etc. probably would have a problem with that. (or would they, depending on the faith over works notion?)

I find whatever Christian association or gravity toward a president like Trump to be revolting. Not only because of the presumed adulterous language, but because of the incredible materialism with which he trucks, and other aspects of his character, the loquaciousness etc. He represents the opposite of what I might find admirable in a christian. I might admire a quiet and monk-like Christian, if any are left

Not that I think that this represents the only 'good' way to be. I don't mind people engaging in a variety of lifestyles, so long as they are honest about who they are, and what they do.

I will have more respect for a somewhat selfish person who admits they are selfish, than for a selfish Christian who might say that their faith will get them to heaven, and they are forgiven for how they act, and may like to deny how they behave, decorating all of this with a slap-happy personality about everything. And unfortunately, I wonder if that is the prevailing mode that characterizes the adherents of that religion in our time

But then again, maybe in christianity, you are actually allowed to sin. The faith over works thing is still in there. I guess it's just confusing to me, and I like to think of things in a more straightforward way

 

[loverofhumanity]

I agree. I like to be in the company of good people. That's why I like going to church and being reminded of righteousness, and I've found that most people in the congregation are genuine .. but I don't expect them to be perfect. I know that I am far from perfect.

You mean the Mosque don’t you as your profile says Islam?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I am ever-so-often told by Christians who find out that I do not believe that a god exists, that “You are denying God because you just want to sin.”

Merely a betrayal of their own guilty consciences.

And worse, a tacit admission that if they didn't think they'd get punished for it, they'd really like to do stuff they know they shouldn't. They can't figure out that a lot of us don't do bad things, not because we fear punishment, but because we actually don't want to do bad things.

 

[ElishaElijah]

That is something for you to discuss with your fellow Christians. What interests me are the practical effects of Christianity in the real world. The ideals are of less import.

Actually you made the judgement about Christians that aren’t true but will say this. I agree with these verses.

“If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭NIV‬‬
“As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:1-10‬ ‭NIV‬‬

So anyone claiming to be a a Christian yet living and pursuing a life of sin is not a Christian. Not only that but you aren’t the judge of that either. I know Christians who got a divorce due to abuse or unfaithfulness from their spouse for example.

 

[MyM]

I feel that it is an excuse to sin. I was so happy that I could do what I wanted when I was a Christian. They told us we are not bound by the laws of the Abrahamic/Moses laws. Jesus died so you can be free of sin. Now I am not a Christian (not bragging) but, it is a hoax to me. The bible says one thing, the followers do another. The Bible teaches you must do by the law, Paul told you that you didn't have to. What I would like to know, is why don't the Christians follow the laws of Jesus? He taught the same laws and beliefs. He said to do good works to achieve Paradise and to believe in him doesn't constitute him being a God. In his time, he said believe just like the other prophets had said in their time. I think man thinks them too high up to be punished by God. That is how his wrath comes and then they have the nerve to complain.

 

[muhammad_isa]

You mean the Mosque don’t you as your profile says Islam?

No .. I mean church.
I go to both, although it's true that I go to the mosque more often.

 

[Brian2]

I am ever-so-often told by Christians who find out that I do not believe that a god exists, that “You are denying God because you just want to sin.” This has always struck me as a bizarre thing to say, as I cannot think of anything that a Christian would consider a sin that I would have needed to leave Christianity to do.

I mean there are lots of good Christians out there doing great things, and most of you are perfectly decent people who I would probably enjoy having as coworkers and neighbors. But seriously folks, you all sin. Every last one of you. You sin inadvertently. You sin impulsively. You sin with premeditation. You covet coworkers, neighbors, friends and random strangers. You covet their stuff and their bodies. Unless you are asexual or (possibly) greysexual, you commit adultery in your hearts, and roughly 25% of you commit adultery in your pants as a married person.

Christian employees steal quarters from their coworker’s desks to buy cokes and they steal office supplies from their employers. Christian employers don’t pay a living wage, and then call the employee lazy when they refuse to work extra hours (bearing false witness). Sometimes the employer even fires them; and while there is no ‘Thou shalt not be a jerk’ commandment, the golden rule takes a beating several times a day/

You leave your parents in nursing homes when you could move them in with you. (C’mon folks! Honor your mother and father.)

You do illegal drugs. You take the lord’s name in vain. You get divorced.

And yet, You are saved by your acceptance of Jesus Christ into your heart as your own personal Lord and Saviour. Hallelujah and Amen. Sing it, Sister!

"I've been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb,
saved and sanctified I am.
All my sins are washed away,
I've been redeemed."​

“unchastity, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, folly”

So, exactly why would I need to leave Christianity to do anything? All the “sins” I might ever commit, I could commit as a Christian. And be saved.

You might feel more guilt and shame as a sincere Christian. But of course it is pretty easy for Christians to have their conscience dulled through repetition of the same sins.
Nevertheless for a Christian God still works in their lives to change them for the better.
And if they completely ignore the Holy Spirit in their life then maybe that is the unforgiveable sin.

 

[Brian2]

I feel that it is an excuse to sin. I was so happy that I could do what I wanted when I was a Christian. They told us we are not bound by the laws of the Abrahamic/Moses laws. Jesus died so you can be free of sin. Now I am not a Christian (not bragging) but, it is a hoax to me. The bible says one thing, the followers do another. The Bible teaches you must do by the law, Paul told you that you didn't have to. What I would like to know, is why don't the Christians follow the laws of Jesus? He taught the same laws and beliefs. He said to do good works to achieve Paradise and to believe in him doesn't constitute him being a God. In his time, he said believe just like the other prophets had said in their time. I think man thinks them too high up to be punished by God. That is how his wrath comes and then they have the nerve to complain.

It sounds like you were taught the wrong thing when you were a Christian.
You should read what Paul actually did say and you would not speak so badly about him.
The thing about the Law is that we cannot completely obey all commands and if we try to make our own righteousness by keeping the commands then we will fail.
We need the forgiveness that God offers through the gospel of Jesus, the gospel that Islam rejects by saying that He did not die on the cross for our sins.
Accepting the gift of forgiveness does not mean however that we are free to sin as much as we like.

 

[Colt]

I am ever-so-often told by Christians who find out that I do not believe that a god exists, that “You are denying God because you just want to sin.” This has always struck me as a bizarre thing to say, as I cannot think of anything that a Christian would consider a sin that I would have needed to leave Christianity to do.

I mean there are lots of good Christians out there doing great things, and most of you are perfectly decent people who I would probably enjoy having as coworkers and neighbors. But seriously folks, you all sin. Every last one of you. You sin inadvertently. You sin impulsively. You sin with premeditation. You covet coworkers, neighbors, friends and random strangers. You covet their stuff and their bodies. Unless you are asexual or (possibly) greysexual, you commit adultery in your hearts, and roughly 25% of you commit adultery in your pants as a married person.

Christian employees steal quarters from their coworker’s desks to buy cokes and they steal office supplies from their employers. Christian employers don’t pay a living wage, and then call the employee lazy when they refuse to work extra hours (bearing false witness). Sometimes the employer even fires them; and while there is no ‘Thou shalt not be a jerk’ commandment, the golden rule takes a beating several times a day/

You leave your parents in nursing homes when you could move them in with you. (C’mon folks! Honor your mother and father.)

You do illegal drugs. You take the lord’s name in vain. You get divorced.

And yet, You are saved by your acceptance of Jesus Christ into your heart as your own personal Lord and Saviour. Hallelujah and Amen. Sing it, Sister!

"I've been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb,
saved and sanctified I am.
All my sins are washed away,
I've been redeemed."​

“unchastity, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, folly”

So, exactly why would I need to leave Christianity to do anything? All the “sins” I might ever commit, I could commit as a Christian. And be saved.

Sin is defined as deliberate disloyalty to Deity. There are degrees of disloyalty;

the partial loyalty of indecision;
the divided loyalty of confliction;
the dying loyalty of indifference;
and the death of loyalty exhibited in devotion to godless ideals.

The sense or feeling of guilt is the consciousness of the violation of the mores; it is not necessarily sin. There is no real sin in the absence of conscious disloyalty to Deity.

Regardless of the hypocrisy and failings of other believers, >you< decided to reject God which is a step much farther than trying to address your own shortcomings and doubts.

 

[MyM]

It sounds like you were taught the wrong thing when you were a Christian.
You should read what Paul actually did say and you would not speak so badly about him.
The thing about the Law is that we cannot completely obey all commands and if we try to make our own righteousness by keeping the commands then we will fail.
We need the forgiveness that God offers through the gospel of Jesus, the gospel that Islam rejects by saying that He did not die on the cross for our sins.
Accepting the gift of forgiveness does not mean however that we are free to sin as much as we like.

But Jesus' gospel isn't being preached. You are believing Paul's gospel. Everyone sins, that's just mankind's nature. The way God created man. But there was no need for a god sacrifice for the creation HE created. In Islam, he sent messengers to keep people on the right track. They kept disobeying, he sent more and then finally, the last message and then the judgement. It has to end somewhere

God is merciful if you trust and believe in Him. But actually the gospel according to Paul, went away from Jesus' teachings. He said himself he took it upon himself the ascension. Is why Barnabus went away from Paul because of what he was saying.

 

[MyM]

It sounds like you were taught the wrong thing when you were a Christian.
You should read what Paul actually did say and you would not speak so badly about him.
The thing about the Law is that we cannot completely obey all commands and if we try to make our own righteousness by keeping the commands then we will fail.
We need the forgiveness that God offers through the gospel of Jesus, the gospel that Islam rejects by saying that He did not die on the cross for our sins.
Accepting the gift of forgiveness does not mean however that we are free to sin as much as we like.

Also Brian2, that is what every Christian says to me when they can't answer my questions. "You must have not had the holy spirit in you", "they didn't teach you right", "you don't understand correctly" when in fact, that is what they give me when they can't answer me. They have no answer to give but only "faith". God doesn't work just on faith alone....ya gotta work for your salvation and then even that it isn't what takes you to heaven. It's God's mercy on you.

 

[muhammad_isa]

The thing about the Law is that we cannot completely obey all commands and if we try to make our own righteousness by keeping the commands then we will fail..

Of course. That goes for all of us, whatever our religious persuasion.

We need the forgiveness that God offers through the gospel of Jesus, the gospel that Islam rejects by saying that He did not die on the cross for our sins..

It shouldn't be a competition.
Does G-d favour a Jew over a Christian over a Muslim?

G-d is in favour of the righteous. He knows best who they are.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Also Brian2, that is what every Christian says to me when they can't answer my questions

What questions might they be that can’t be answered?

 

[VoidCat]

What questions might they be that can’t be answered?

Why God tried to kill Moses when a few verses prior God asked him to free the Israelites. Moses had yet to do that.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So, exactly why would I need to leave Christianity to do anything? All the “sins” I might ever commit, I could commit as a Christian. And be saved.

Life in the Spirit is freedom and eternal life, a clear conscience, fellowship with God. Not so living to gratify your fleshly desires that lead to bondage and death.


“You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:13-26‬ ‭NIV‬‬

 

[1213]

...
So, exactly why would I need to leave Christianity to do anything? All the “sins” I might ever commit, I could commit as a Christian. And be saved.

I think you ha a good point. It is sad, if Christians sin, because by what the Bible tells, people should become righteous, which means this:

He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23