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I like Nikki 3.0

robocop (actually)

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strong caring cooperative distinct good answers does what's necessary prominent, morally supportive and not brain-dead or tricky.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I prefer politicians that will actually outline exactly what they're going to do if in office, not criticize their opponents or brag about themselves and how great they are for the country.
 

exchemist

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I prefer politicians that will actually outline exactly what they're going to do if in office, not criticize their opponents or brag about themselves and how great they are for the country.
So not Trump, then? That's something at least. I'm not a fan of Haley's politics, but she is at least sane and talks rationally about issues. She's clearly able and articulate. You would not catch her publicly undermining critical international military alliances or encouraging despots.
 

robocop (actually)

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... and more than willing to leverage the specter of Kamala Harris and, should that fail to get her the nomination, vote for Donald Trump.
Is it Nikki Haley's fault for being a Republican? Chris Christie attacked Trump heavy and fast and was noble but it didn't work.

You seem to want the Republican nominee to be a Democrat. No, they have to be a Republican or they can't win. Supporting Trump if he gets the nomination is part of that. If you insist the Republican nominee can't be Republican then I think you are stealing.
 

F1fan

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Is it Nikki Haley's fault for being a Republican?
100%
Chris Christie attacked Trump heavy and fast and was noble but it didn't work.
Christie has expertise in making strong cases against criminals. Nikki has a history of being soft when it seems she can benefit. That is a liability.
You seem to want the Republican nominee to be a Democrat.
No, just ethical and authentic. I think Christie is vastly better than Nikki. Nikki alway seems like she is trying to be too careful and craft a personality that panders to whomever she is talkng to. She works hard to not say the wrong thing, which comes out wrong. We respect authentic people, not perfomers. She is easily trapped, look at the "slavery" question. She tried to outsmart the guy and ended up being a fool. We can't trust her.
No, they have to be a Republican or they can't win. Supporting Trump if he gets the nomination is part of that.
That means having no integrity.
If you insist the Republican nominee can't be Republican then I think you are stealing.
IOW if a republican can't be unethical then it has nothing to do with independents and democrats.
 

robocop (actually)

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100%

Christie has expertise in making strong cases against criminals. Nikki has a history of being soft when it seems she can benefit. That is a liability.

No, just ethical and authentic. I think Christie is vastly better than Nikki. Nikki alway seems like she is trying to be too careful and craft a personality that panders to whomever she is talkng to. She works hard to not say the wrong thing, which comes out wrong. We respect authentic people, not perfomers. She is easily trapped, look at the "slavery" question. She tried to outsmart the guy and ended up being a fool. We can't trust her.

That means having no integrity.

IOW if a republican can't be unethical then it has nothing to do with independents and democrats.
I'm sorry I was talking to JS.

"IOW if a republican can't be unethical then it has nothing to do with independents and democrats." - For the record, I think Haley is the best Republican, the best Independent and the best Democrat, but to win she has to be the best Republican or she can't win the nomination.
 

F1fan

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I'm sorry I was talking to JS.
On an open forum.
"IOW if a republican can't be unethical then it has nothing to do with independents and democrats." - For the record, I think Haley is the best Republican, the best Independent and the best Democrat, but to win she has to be the best Republican or she can't win the nomination.
Are you a highly accomplished person that has earned global respect, and as a result we all value your opinion?

If not, then why haven't you supported your opinion with evidence? We don't care what people believe just because they believe it.
 

robocop (actually)

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Also, Christ said to n
On an open forum.

Are you a highly accomplished person that has earned global respect, and as a result we all value your opinion?

If not, then why haven't you supported your opinion with evidence? We don't care what people believe just because they believe it.
I have a master's in math and have published 7 books.

I just think she's right on Democrat and Republican issues because she cares. Allowing adults to trans probably helps them not commit suicide. 80% of Biden's climate change plan shows she cares. Those are two Democrat issues.

For Republican issues, she's tougher on immigration than Trump and wants to fight defensive wars practically.

I just think Trump is unsustainable and she is.

If she needs to have a careful relationship with Trump so be it. Better her than him.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Also, Christ said to n

I have a master's in math and have published 7 books.

I just think she's right on Democrat and Republican issues because she cares.
About what? I heard her speak yesterday and she supported the Mayorkas impeachment. Unacceptable.

Allowing adults to trans probably helps them not commit suicide. 80% of Biden's climate change plan shows she cares. Those are two Democrat issues
Republicans should mind their own business and stay out of people’s healthcare. Let medical professionals make decisions.

For Republican issues, she's tougher on immigration than Trump and wants to fight defensive wars practically.
I’ve heard nothing definitive. What I see is that she talks tough and trying to outTrump Trump.
I just think Trump is unsustainable and she is.
She’s better than Trump, but then so am I. Most every decent person is.
If she needs to have a careful relationship with Trump so be it. Better her than him.
She needs to find her own voice. She is moulding herself to Trump and it is an inconsistent mess.
 

robocop (actually)

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About what? I heard her speak yesterday and she supported the Mayorkas impeachment. Unacceptable.

It won't go anywhere in the Senate.
Republicans should mind their own business and stay out of people’s healthcare. Let medical professionals make decisions.

And what about the fetus's rights? And plus she's not going to do anything against you. She'll have no power to do anything, just like with Mayorkas.
I’ve heard nothing definitive. What I see is that she talks tough and trying to outTrump Trump.

She was tough on dictators in the UN. Trump said if NATO countries don't pay their dues Russia can do whatever they want to them.
She’s better than Trump, but then so am I. Most every decent person is.

Then you should support her or at least not attack her.
She needs to find her own voice. She is moulding herself to Trump and it is an inconsistent mess.

Thank you for good advice.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
It won't go anywhere in the Senate.
So she supports a baseless impeachment that she knows is a waste of time? That's even worse.
And what about the fetus's rights?
There are no such rights. Look how this idealistic and rigid attitude has worked out in Texas. Many pregnant women have had near death experiences because they can't get needed medical care. One woman had died because doctors were afraid to treat her due to the uncompromising laws. Women are suing Texas over the law nad hope that it gets overturned for being unconstitutional. Why does a dead fetus have more rights than a dying woman?

And most abortion occur due to abnormalities. The others happen before the clump of cells is a fetus, rather in the zygote stage of development.
And plus she's not going to do anything against you.
I never said I feel personally threatened. It's what republicans do that threatens America as a whole. They just don't have good ideas, and seem to expect society will just work out its own problems if there are more guns on the streets.
She'll have no power to do anything, just like with Mayorkas.
Irrelevant. That she took the wrong position while campaining is a bad thing. Mayorkas has done nothing wrong, yet she's on board with impeachment. That is poor judgment. She is surely pandering to Trump followers hoping to get a few of them. That's pathetic.
She was tough on dictators in the UN. Trump said if NATO countries don't pay their dues Russia can do whatever they want to them.
She did a good job. As long as she doesn't have to compete with Trump she is solid. It is her insecurity while competing with Trump that shows her flaws and weakness.
Then you should support her or at least not attack her.
Attack? You must mean my criticism, which is fair since she is in a job interview as a public servant. Job Interviews are hard, and you get hard questions. And if you don't measure up you don't get the job.
 

robocop (actually)

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So she supports a baseless impeachment that she knows is a waste of time? That's even worse.

There are no such rights. Look how this idealistic and rigid attitude has worked out in Texas. Many pregnant women have had near death experiences because they can't get needed medical care. One woman had died because doctors were afraid to treat her due to the uncompromising laws. Women are suing Texas over the law nad hope that it gets overturned for being unconstitutional. Why does a dead fetus have more rights than a dying woman?

And most abortion occur due to abnormalities. The others happen before the clump of cells is a fetus, rather in the zygote stage of development.

I never said I feel personally threatened. It's what republicans do that threatens America as a whole. They just don't have good ideas, and seem to expect society will just work out its own problems if there are more guns on the streets.

Irrelevant. That she took the wrong position while campaining is a bad thing. Mayorkas has done nothing wrong, yet she's on board with impeachment. That is poor judgment. She is surely pandering to Trump followers hoping to get a few of them. That's pathetic.

She did a good job. As long as she doesn't have to compete with Trump she is solid. It is her insecurity while competing with Trump that shows her flaws and weakness.

Attack? You must mean my criticism, which is fair since she is in a job interview as a public servant. Job Interviews are hard, and you get hard questions. And if you don't measure up you don't get the job.
I like what you said about job interviews and that they are hard. I don't really worry about any of your other comments.

However, you are evaluating her for the job only by what you want and not what the Republicans want, which matters in a primary!

You have said you don't feel personally threatened.

She's equally as far in the Republican camp as she is to the center for everybody so that she can win both elections.

She has to win the Republican nomination first and, as long as she can keep getting momentum, ought to be able to do that.

As for abortion, I can't picture her being so awful as some of the Red States have been on abortion even if she did have the power.
 

F1fan

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I like what you said about job interviews and that they are hard. I don't really worry about any of your other comments.

However, you are evaluating her for the job only by what you want and not what the Republicans want, which matters in a primary!
Republicans don't seem to be grooving on what she says either, but for different reasons.
You have said you don't feel personally threatened.
No. But the society I live in will, and has been, threatened and harmed by conservative policies. Who knows what future bad decisions by republicans will screw up society.
She's equally as far in the Republican camp as she is to the center for everybody so that she can win both elections.

She has to win the Republican nomination first and, as long as she can keep getting momentum, ought to be able to do that.
How? Unless Trump pulls out I don't see the majority of conservative voters changing their minds on Trump.

I amdit Hally is the best chance for republicans to win the presidency, but their committment to Trump shows how poorly conservatives think. Their judgment is atrocious and their values corrupt. That you support Hally is a plus for your judgment. However you don't offer any good arguments for why she should be elected.
As for abortion, I can't picture her being so awful as some of the Red States have been on abortion even if she did have the power.
It depends if her actual values are moral, or political for the sake of getting more Trump voter support. So far she is way too extreme for the mainstream needs of women. Let's hope she can damage Trump as the election season goes on. She does serve that purpose for Biden.
 
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